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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 14:28:45 GMT
Yeah, it's, unfortunately, one of the series strongest impediments. Sad really because a lot of stories manage to be just as good as their predecessors and there are episodes like Nightwalkers (directed by William Friedkin) and The Mind of Simon Foster (written by J. Michael Straczynski) that do manage to beat the odds, using their limited resources to the full. Often I'm under the impression that they wanted to present these stories in black-and-white as a stylistic choice, but were prevented somewhere down the line. That's very interesting! You're obviously much more informed that I am, but now I want to do some more digging. Which is always nice. I've been seeing Zelazny's influence the video games of Chris Avellone quite a bit now that I've started reading some of his entries. Ah, thanks for the tip! I knew about the Zelazny influence in Planescape: Torment (A passage from Guns of Avalon directly inspired the central question), but I figured it was just a one-off, not a pervasive influence on Avellone's writing. I backed the Kickstarter for Torment: Tides of Numenera back in 2013 but I haven't played it yet. Maybe this will inspire me. I recommend it, there are some real gems in there. Anything by Straczynski tends to be good and Harlan Ellison scripts are always a blast.  No worries.  Ah, Torment has got to be one of my favourite game titles purely for its storytelling. Tides of Numenera follows a very similar path. It's not as long as the original, but the breadth of scope in its roleplaying is just breathtaking. There's a gameplay element which I won't spoil that seems to take its core idea from He Who Shapes. The original two Fallout games were partially inspired by Damnation Alley and New Vegas's DLC Lonesome Road was his attempt at recreating that story for that universe. You can also see thematic cues in Knights of the Old Republic II and Wasteland 2. |
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Post by kimalysong on May 20, 2017 19:02:05 GMT
How about the Sword and the Stone that's where my love affair of the King Arthur legend started.
It's probably why I so enjoyed reading the Once & Future King. But it's been so long that I don't entirely remember it.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 20, 2017 21:49:30 GMT
The "Legends of Tomorrow" Camelot episode was okay, but I may be biased because I thought "Merlin" was cute.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 22, 2017 10:59:02 GMT
One I forgot is the double album by Ten frontman Gary Hughes Called Once and Future King.
Essentially its an AOR/POMP/Hard Rock telling of the story with the likes of Danny Vaughn, Doogie White and Bob Catley involved
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 23, 2017 11:07:00 GMT
Okay, hopefully someone remembers what this show was called. I do remember a show from the late 80's/early 90's that involved a girl finding out that she was a descendant of King Arthur. Its set in the near future and I remember a lot of it taking place in a cafe type place. The villans I think were Black Clad Banshees? not quite sure. It involved the search for Arthur and Excalibur. One episode I remember involved a Samurai who turned up, but let himself get killed because he wasn't Arthur. Please someone tell me what this was called and that it was real lol
I skimmed Wikipedia's list of Arthurian television adaptations, but I didn't see anything that looked like it fit the bill, which is shame, because now I want to watch this show!
I've done some scouting around and the nearest I can find to what I remember is a British TV show from 1992 called Wail of the Banshee. It featured a character called Merling and the Banshee's were an advanced alien race called the Lamia.
sadly I cant find any pics or videos from the show, so I don't know for sure
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Post by doomlord on May 26, 2017 15:55:28 GMT
The Spaceman and King Arthur (aka Unidentified Flying Oddball) [1979]. Yes, I was one of those kids that actually went to watch this Disney film at the cinema.
Seriously though, my favourite version is Excalibur [1981]. I wanted to see that but I was too young at the time for the AA (15) rating.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on May 26, 2017 19:48:45 GMT
Anyone remember "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court"? Bing Crosby?
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Post by aztec on May 27, 2017 21:09:26 GMT
Does The Lord of The Rings count?  The book has tonnes of Arthurian references and influences... (Not massively familiar with the legend or previous retellings so I'll have to think back to my childhood enjoyment of The Sword In The Stone and say that) |
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Post by number13 on May 27, 2017 22:45:01 GMT
Does The Lord of The Rings count? The book has tonnes of Arthurian references and influences... (Not massively familiar with the legend or previous retellings so I'll have to think back to my childhood enjoyment of The Sword In The Stone and say that) 'The Lord of the Rings' definitely counts IMO! It is packed with Arthurian influences. Who is more Arthurian than Aragorn, the returning king with his legendary sword of mystic origin? |
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Post by Ela on Jun 5, 2017 3:45:35 GMT
Mary Stewart (more well known for writing mystery stories, I think) wrote a set of books based in Arthurian legend that I enjoyed reading. In her notes, she discusses sources and the lack of any kind of coherent historical record. She takes some liberties with the stories and offers rational explanations for the magic in her stories (which does not detract from the story telling). When she got to the book in which she wrote about Arthur and Mordred, she frankly stated that the story as passed down in legend makes no sense, tempting her to re-write it altogether. She didn't do that, but she tried to write it so it made more sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 5:50:01 GMT
I've had a long and considerate thought about it and... Oh, this is going to sound cheap, I actually think that Battlefield might be my favourite version of the myth. The novelisation by Marc Platt has that wonderful energy where everything clicks together and you can feel the enthusiasm infused in the words.
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Post by Ela on Jun 5, 2017 17:59:54 GMT
I've also read Marion Zimmer Bradley's Mists of Avalon. She took a lot more liberties with the story, and told it from the women's point of view. Her prequels go more deeply into early British myth, the Druids, the origin of Stonehenge, and the Atlantis mythology, which is all totally up for conjecture.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 6, 2017 8:19:48 GMT
I've also read Marion Zimmer Bradley's Mists of Avalon. She took a lot more liberties with the story, and told it from the women's point of view. Her prequels go more deeply into early British myth, the Druids, the origin of Stonehenge, and the Atlantis mythology, which is all totally up for conjecture. I love Mists of Avalon Cheers Tony |
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 16:17:46 GMT
I've also read Marion Zimmer Bradley's Mists of Avalon. She took a lot more liberties with the story, and told it from the women's point of view. Her prequels go more deeply into early British myth, the Druids, the origin of Stonehenge, and the Atlantis mythology, which is all totally up for conjecture. I love Mists of Avalon Cheers Tony I loved it, too, and the prequels. But some not so savory things I've heard about the author have soured me a bit. |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 6, 2017 16:45:22 GMT
Stephen Lawhead wrote an interesting version a few years ago.
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 16:54:23 GMT
Stephen Lawhead wrote an interesting version a few years ago. I heard about that one, but I haven't read it. My daughter and I are pretty much obsessed with Arthurian legend and early British and Celtic stuff.  |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 6, 2017 17:07:45 GMT
Stephen Lawhead wrote an interesting version a few years ago. I heard about that one, but I haven't read it. My daughter and I are pretty much obsessed with Arthurian legend and early British and Celtic stuff. It confused me in that I came to it knowing there were five books, and then it all wrapped up in the third! Seems the later two came later, obviously, and were filling in parts of the original story. But you still have to read them in the 1 to 5 order, the last two don't "slot in" if you get me. And the first starts in Atlantis! |
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 19:07:47 GMT
I heard about that one, but I haven't read it. My daughter and I are pretty much obsessed with Arthurian legend and early British and Celtic stuff. It confused me in that I came to it knowing there were five books, and then it all wrapped up in the third! Seems the later two came later, obviously, and were filling in parts of the original story. But you still have to read them in the 1 to 5 order, the last two don't "slot in" if you get me. And the first starts in Atlantis! Actually, I think I might have started to read the first of those books at a friend's house. Does it start to get heavily into very Christian themes? If not, I may be thinking about a different series. |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 6, 2017 19:23:20 GMT
It confused me in that I came to it knowing there were five books, and then it all wrapped up in the third! Seems the later two came later, obviously, and were filling in parts of the original story. But you still have to read them in the 1 to 5 order, the last two don't "slot in" if you get me. And the first starts in Atlantis! Actually, I think I might have started to read the first of those books at a friend's house. Does it start to get heavily into very Christian themes? If not, I may be thinking about a different series. I don't remember it like that, it has been years though and I don't have the books to hand to check. |
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 19:29:30 GMT
And you probably wouldn't have been as sensitive to heavy use of Christian themes as someone Jewish might be. |
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Ah, Torment has got to be one of my favourite game titles purely for its storytelling. Tides of Numenera follows a very similar path. It's not as long as the original, but the breadth of scope in its roleplaying is just breathtaking. There's a gameplay element which I won't spoil that seems to take its core idea from He Who Shapes. The original two Fallout games were partially inspired by Damnation Alley and New Vegas's DLC Lonesome Road was his attempt at recreating that story for that universe. You can also see thematic cues in Knights of the Old Republic II and Wasteland 2.
The book has tonnes of Arthurian references and influences...
