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Post by J.A. Prentice on May 30, 2017 5:46:10 GMT
The Second Doctor knew The Master, but of course back then he was known as The War Chief I'll get my coat... Cheers Tony I've really come around to believing this is actually the case. Watch The War Games with it in mind and it all fits surprisingly well, down to the death he couldn't possibly escape. (See Death in Heaven, Castrovalva, especially Planet of Fire, etc.) And why give the Doctor TWO frenemies from Gallifrey who want to take over the universe, invite the Doctor to join them, team up with alien invaders, try to betray everyone, and then curse their allies' sudden but inevitable betrayal? I guess I'll also get my coat. The War Doctor meets the Master in the comics, I believe. And I think we technically have the first Doctor interacting with the Master prior to leaving Gallifrey in the dream/flashback parts of Divided Loyalties (as Koschei) and possibly a Doctor Who magazine comic (as Magnus, where I think it was obviously supposed to be the Master, but later attempts tried to make Magnus and Koschei into two separate people with Magnus as the War Chief). Are there any others I'm leaving out?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 10:40:05 GMT
The Second Doctor knew The Master, but of course back then he was known as The War Chief I'll get my coat... Cheers Tony I've really come around to believing this is actually the case. Watch The War Games with it in mind and it all fits surprisingly well, down to the death he couldn't possibly escape. (See Death in Heaven, Castrovalva, especially Planet of Fire, etc.) And why give the Doctor TWO frenemies from Gallifrey who want to take over the universe, invite the Doctor to join them, team up with alien invaders, try to betray everyone, and then curse their allies' sudden but inevitable betrayal? I'm always flip-flopping between the War Chief being and not being the Master. Some days it feels like he'd make a cool adversary all of his own like what was done in Legions of Death, other days it's really hard to pass up the link and I imagine Delgado went to Brayshaw then Kreigsleiter and back again to Delgado (we don't know what the effects of a regeneration in an atomic explosion are, after all). I've yet to be entirely convinced one way or the other, but at the moment... I'm leaning towards the two being connected.
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Post by elkawho on May 31, 2017 2:05:35 GMT
I've really come around to believing this is actually the case. Watch The War Games with it in mind and it all fits surprisingly well, down to the death he couldn't possibly escape. (See Death in Heaven, Castrovalva, especially Planet of Fire, etc.) And why give the Doctor TWO frenemies from Gallifrey who want to take over the universe, invite the Doctor to join them, team up with alien invaders, try to betray everyone, and then curse their allies' sudden but inevitable betrayal? I'm always flip-flopping between the War Chief being and not being the Master. Some days it feels like he'd make a cool adversary all of his own like what was done in Legions of Death, other days it's really hard to pass up the link and I imagine Delgado went to Brayshaw then Kreigsleiter and back again to Delgado (we don't know what the effects of a regeneration in an atomic explosion are, after all). I've yet to be entirely convinced one way or the other, but at the moment... I'm leaning towards the two being connected. Me too, to be honest.
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Post by MayoTango131 on May 31, 2017 15:15:19 GMT
It would be nice if Big Finish could find a way to do a Ninth Doctor/Master story if they ever achieve the impossible and get Christopher Eccleston onboard. Not possible, is it? Unless we head down the memory wipe lane for both of them and that's a cop out we're sick of. I prefer more a Cybermen story or a Sontaran/Rutan conflict or an date with River Song for the Ninth Doctor. A Master Story for this Doctor feels inappropriate and unnecessary, Series 1 was a fresh and original era; like the Matt Smith era. Big Finish has greatly overexploit the villain to the point that the spooky Beevers Master has turned it into a joke like Ainley Master in the Fourth Doctor Adventures.
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Post by elkawho on Jun 1, 2017 3:32:03 GMT
Not possible, is it? Unless we head down the memory wipe lane for both of them and that's a cop out we're sick of. I prefer more a Cybermen story or a Sontaran/Rutan conflict or an date with River Song for the Ninth Doctor. A Master Story for this Doctor feels inappropriate and unnecessary, Series 1 was a fresh and original era; like the Matt Smith era. Big Finish has greatly overexploit the villain to the point that the spooky Beevers Master has turned it into a joke like Ainley Master in the Fourth Doctor Adventures. I don't necessarily agree with this. I think BF has handled The Master rather well. Geoffrey Beevers continues to be outstanding as the creepiest Master ever. And McQueen's Master is probably my favorite of all them after Delgado. If you want to talk about overexploiting the character, just look to Season 8 for that. As much as I like Delgado, I was almost sick of him by the end of that one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 4:33:42 GMT
I prefer more a Cybermen story or a Sontaran/Rutan conflict or an date with River Song for the Ninth Doctor. A Master Story for this Doctor feels inappropriate and unnecessary, Series 1 was a fresh and original era; like the Matt Smith era. Big Finish has greatly overexploit the villain to the point that the spooky Beevers Master has turned it into a joke like Ainley Master in the Fourth Doctor Adventures. I don't necessarily agree with this. I think BF has handled The Master rather well. Geoffrey Beevers continues to be outstanding as the creepiest Master ever. And McQueen's Master is probably my favorite of all them after Delgado. If you want to talk about overexploiting the character, just look to Season 8 for that. As much as I like Delgado, I was almost sick of him by the end of that one. Yeah, as awesome as Delgado was, it was a good idea to reduce the Master's number of appearances in the following season. If they'd wanted to tie everything together, they could do what Lane did with Vaughn and have seemingly unrelated events funded or spurned on by the Master's agents (Tobias is responsible for The Green Death, Robot, Invasion of the Dinosaurs, among other stories). Actually, I'd like to see that with the Ninth Doctor. It seems very in character for him to be digging through the rubble and discover things left undone. An exiled Draconian prince who is preparing to overthrow his own empire because of an "obsession" or a UNIT soldier whose hypnotic conditioning isn't quite as broken as people believe. Otherwise minor threats that have been allowed to take on a life of their own.
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 3:54:41 GMT
The Second Doctor knew The Master, but of course back then he was known as The War Chief I'll get my coat... Cheers Tony Yes, you'd better do that!
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Post by Whovitt on Jun 6, 2017 4:03:44 GMT
The Second Doctor knew The Master, but of course back then he was known as The War Chief I'll get my coat... Cheers Tony Yes, you'd better do that! Indeed! I mean, imagine what Magnus would say... Who am I kidding? We don't need to IMAGINE, do we
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 4:08:05 GMT
Yes, you'd better do that! Indeed! I mean, imagine what Magnus would say... Who am I kidding? We don't need to IMAGINE, do we No. No, we don't. And I still disagree with him...
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 6, 2017 8:13:40 GMT
Indeed! I mean, imagine what Magnus would say... Who am I kidding? We don't need to IMAGINE, do we No. No, we don't. And I still disagree with him... The whole Monk thing was a step too far, but as for the other ........ Cheers Tony
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 6, 2017 8:36:57 GMT
Magnus is 'THE' Master which means he's also the Monk, War Chief & head burgerflipper at Gallifrey King.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jun 7, 2017 4:57:48 GMT
No. No, we don't. And I still disagree with him... The whole Monk thing was a step too far, but as for the other ........ Cheers Tony My issue with Magnus was less what he argued and more the way he argued it as if it were holy scripture. But yes, I think the Monk works far better as his own character, especially the way Big Finish took him.
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Post by Ela on Jun 7, 2017 5:15:07 GMT
The whole Monk thing was a step too far, but as for the other ........ Cheers Tony My issue with Magnus was less what he argued and more the way he argued it as if it were holy scripture. But yes, I think the Monk works far better as his own character, especially the way Big Finish took him. True story.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 10:30:22 GMT
The whole Monk thing was a step too far, but as for the other My issue with Magnus was less what he argued and more the way he argued it as if it were holy scripture. To some people what happens in Doctor Who is holy scripture! I still miss Magnus and his 'theories' though, they could be entertaining at times.
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