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Post by jasonward on May 25, 2017 15:51:21 GMT
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, if the BBC did something like this, they would find the next charter renewal went very badly for them. At least it would send a message to the government that they can stab at the BBC all they want but they cannot stop them. No, no it wouldn't, the government could "stop" the BBC whenever they want, the BBC is owned by, controlled by and funded by (via TV licence fee) the state, the state is controlled by the Government of the day, whilst the MP's of that government may have to answer to voters if they do certain things, it doesn't mean that they are not within their rights to do whatever they want to the BBC. |
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Post by muckypup on May 25, 2017 15:56:35 GMT
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, if the BBC did something like this, they would find the next charter renewal went very badly for them. At least it would send a message to the government that they can stab at the BBC all they want but they cannot stop them. But they can, the BBC only exist because of the government is allowing them to charge a licence fee. i am sure as much as the shop made them a bit of money, nothing like it would be worth jepodising their exsistance for. |
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Post by kimalysong on May 25, 2017 16:00:54 GMT
This is probably why I should download everything from Big Finish (at least my favorites) but I am too lazy and just download everything onto the app.
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Post by muckypup on May 25, 2017 16:14:43 GMT
This is probably why I should download everything from Big Finish (at least my favorites) but I am too lazy and just download everything onto the app. Even BF recommend you keep a local copy........don't be lazy.....just download em and stick em on an external drive. but I don't think the BF guys are going anywhere just yet! |
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Post by sherlock on May 25, 2017 16:30:12 GMT
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, if the BBC did something like this, they would find the next charter renewal went very badly for them. At least it would send a message to the government that they can stab at the BBC all they want but they cannot stop them. Except the Government can stop them, and there are some politicians who would just love an excuse to attack the BBC's funding. I presume the BBC closing the store means it simply wasn't making money. Whatever the reason, it's another plus for DVD markets. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 25, 2017 16:38:45 GMT
At least it would send a message to the government that they can stab at the BBC all they want but they cannot stop them. No, no it wouldn't, the government could "stop" the BBC whenever they want, the BBC is owned by, controlled by and funded by (via TV licence fee) the state, the state is controlled by the Government of the day, whilst the MP's of that government may have to answer to voters if they do certain things, it doesn't mean that they are not within their rights to do whatever they want to the BBC. If the government did stop the BBC there would be a massive public outcry. They won't do it. They're too scared to get rid of the BBC's funding via the license fee and the Royal Charter because if they did I guarantee there would be riots in the street. |
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Post by jasonward on May 25, 2017 16:45:30 GMT
No, no it wouldn't, the government could "stop" the BBC whenever they want, the BBC is owned by, controlled by and funded by (via TV licence fee) the state, the state is controlled by the Government of the day, whilst the MP's of that government may have to answer to voters if they do certain things, it doesn't mean that they are not within their rights to do whatever they want to the BBC. If the government did stop the BBC there would be a massive public outcry. They won't do it. They're too scared to get rid of the BBC's funding via the license fee and the Royal Charter because if they did I guarantee there would be riots in the street. Your overly dramatic dalekbuster, yes a lot of people would be upset, but in the main part, the kind of people that really care about the BBC are not those that would riot on the streets, and even if they were, I'm really not sure anyone would riot over the BBC if it was an isolated policy decision. I love the BBC, would be totally against it being substantially damaged by any government, but, the loss of the BBC in of itself would not motivate me to violence. |
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Post by sherlock on May 25, 2017 16:56:29 GMT
No, no it wouldn't, the government could "stop" the BBC whenever they want, the BBC is owned by, controlled by and funded by (via TV licence fee) the state, the state is controlled by the Government of the day, whilst the MP's of that government may have to answer to voters if they do certain things, it doesn't mean that they are not within their rights to do whatever they want to the BBC. If the government did stop the BBC there would be a massive public outcry. They won't do it. They're too scared to get rid of the BBC's funding via the license fee and the Royal Charter because if they did I guarantee there would be riots in the street. I think you somewhat overestimate the strength of support for the BBC. Also the Licence Fee is not really popular (no tax ever is) so reducing that wouldn't face much in the way of outcry. The Government does have the BBC over a barrel. There are some politicians (Conservative backbenches mainly) who aren't keen at all on the current funding structure and could become very vocal if the BBC oversteps the mark. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 25, 2017 17:31:22 GMT
If the government did stop the BBC there would be a massive public outcry. They won't do it. They're too scared to get rid of the BBC's funding via the license fee and the Royal Charter because if they did I guarantee there would be riots in the street. I think you somewhat overestimate the strength of support for the BBC. Also the Licence Fee is not really popular (no tax ever is) so reducing that wouldn't face much in the way of outcry. The Government does have the BBC over a barrel. There are some politicians (Conservative backbenches mainly) who aren't keen at all on the current funding structure and could become very vocal if the BBC oversteps the mark. No licence fee would mean either adverts on BBC or no BBC at all. People would riot over that. |
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Post by jasonward on May 25, 2017 17:33:22 GMT
I think you somewhat overestimate the strength of support for the BBC. Also the Licence Fee is not really popular (no tax ever is) so reducing that wouldn't face much in the way of outcry. The Government does have the BBC over a barrel. There are some politicians (Conservative backbenches mainly) who aren't keen at all on the current funding structure and could become very vocal if the BBC oversteps the mark. No license fee would mean either adverts on BBC or no BBC at all. People would riot over that. No they would not. |
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Post by sherlock on May 25, 2017 17:34:00 GMT
I think you somewhat overestimate the strength of support for the BBC. Also the Licence Fee is not really popular (no tax ever is) so reducing that wouldn't face much in the way of outcry. The Government does have the BBC over a barrel. There are some politicians (Conservative backbenches mainly) who aren't keen at all on the current funding structure and could become very vocal if the BBC oversteps the mark. No license fee would mean either adverts on BBC or no BBC at all. People would riot over that. I doubt they'd riot. And every other channel on TV has ads anyway so honestly I don't think most people would care about ads. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 25, 2017 18:19:13 GMT
No license fee would mean either adverts on BBC or no BBC at all. People would riot over that. I doubt they'd riot. And every other channel on TV has ads anyway so honestly I don't think most people would care about ads. I'd say the vast majority hate ads and to many the BBC is a safe haven from them. |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 26, 2017 11:29:00 GMT
crazy, the whole things crazy
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 12:03:23 GMT
No, no it wouldn't, the government could "stop" the BBC whenever they want, the BBC is owned by, controlled by and funded by (via TV licence fee) the state, the state is controlled by the Government of the day, whilst the MP's of that government may have to answer to voters if they do certain things, it doesn't mean that they are not within their rights to do whatever they want to the BBC. If the government did stop the BBC there would be a massive public outcry. They won't do it. They're too scared to get rid of the BBC's funding via the license fee and the Royal Charter because if they did I guarantee there would be riots in the street. Accepted they wouldn't really stop the BBC. I agree there would be an outcry. They already have, however, stopped the BBC from using the license fee to do things which directly compete with private companies other than running TV and radio stations. BBC Store and the BBC Shop were therefore set up by BBC Worldwide. No BBC funding was available to them to develop their streaming platforms etc and any profits had to go back to the BBC. It is much more in line with the ethos of the BBC, and far more practical, for them to sell their programmes, whether physically or virtually, through a third party. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2017 14:22:02 GMT
If the government did stop the BBC there would be a massive public outcry. They won't do it. They're too scared to get rid of the BBC's funding via the license fee and the Royal Charter because if they did I guarantee there would be riots in the street. Accepted they wouldn't really stop the BBC. I agree there would be an outcry. They already have, however, stopped the BBC from using the license fee to do things which directly compete with private companies other than running TV and radio stations. BBC Store and the BBC Shop were therefore set up by BBC Worldwide. No BBC funding was available to them to develop their streaming platforms etc and any profits had to go back to the BBC. It is much more in line with the ethos of the BBC, and far more practical, for them to sell their programmes, whether physically or virtually, through a third party. If they don't bring back BBC Shop, BBC serious questions should be raised about BBC Worldwide as it would mean you can't buy anything directly from the BBC anymore. I will definitely be writing a strongly worded email of complaint if BBC Shop doesn't come back. |
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Post by jasonward on May 26, 2017 14:27:54 GMT
Accepted they wouldn't really stop the BBC. I agree there would be an outcry. They already have, however, stopped the BBC from using the license fee to do things which directly compete with private companies other than running TV and radio stations. BBC Store and the BBC Shop were therefore set up by BBC Worldwide. No BBC funding was available to them to develop their streaming platforms etc and any profits had to go back to the BBC. It is much more in line with the ethos of the BBC, and far more practical, for them to sell their programmes, whether physically or virtually, through a third party. If they don't bring back BBC Shop, BBC serious questions should be raised about BBC Worldwide as it would mean you can't buy anything directly from the BBC anymore. I will definitely be writing a strongly worded email of complaint if BBC Shop doesn't come back. Whilst I like the idea of being able to purchase direct from BBC Worldwide, many (if not the majority of) producers from manufacturers of physical goods to producers of less tangible intellectual property only sell wholesale and not direct to the consumer, I see no compelling reason why BBC Worldwide should be forced to sell direct. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2017 14:29:08 GMT
If they don't bring back BBC Shop, BBC serious questions should be raised about BBC Worldwide as it would mean you can't buy anything directly from the BBC anymore. I will definitely be writing a strongly worded email of complaint if BBC Shop doesn't come back. Whilst I like the idea of being able to purchase direct from BBC Worldwide, many (if not the majority of) producers from manufacturers of physical goods to producers of less tangible intellectual property only sell wholesale and not direct to the consumer, I see no compelling reason why BBC Worldwide should be forced to sell direct. Because it was great before and it meant you got the excellent 3 for £15 deal on classic series Doctor Who DVDs. Thanks to BBC Shop's closure you don't get that anymore. |
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Post by doomlord on May 26, 2017 15:20:11 GMT
No licen se fee would mean either adverts on BBC or no BBC at all. People would riot over that. You're on a television course, right? What are they teaching you at that college?! btw, you're still using the verb, the noun is licen ce |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2017 15:24:16 GMT
No licen se fee would mean either adverts on BBC or no BBC at all. People would riot over that. You're on a television course, right? What are they teaching you at that college?! btw, you're still using the verb, the noun is licen ce It's common knowledge that people hate adverts. |
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Post by jasonward on May 26, 2017 15:37:07 GMT
Whilst I like the idea of being able to purchase direct from BBC Worldwide, many (if not the majority of) producers from manufacturers of physical goods to producers of less tangible intellectual property only sell wholesale and not direct to the consumer, I see no compelling reason why BBC Worldwide should be forced to sell direct. Because it was great before and it meant you got the excellent 3 for £15 deal on classic series Doctor Who DVDs. Thanks to BBC Shop's closure you don't get that anymore. Just because you think something is great doesn't mean others have do something about it. Look I can understand you being disappointed, I can understand you wanting the BBC Shop back, I can even understand if that motivates you to write to the BBC about it, but, the choice is down to BBC Worldwide, and they have to make decisions based on a number of factors, and demanding and trying to force them is both not going to work and is just not right. If you think the BBC should be compelled to sell direct to the public, it's your MP you need to be writing to, not the BBC. |
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