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Post by muckypup on Jun 7, 2017 19:58:05 GMT
this all just goes to show how pretty pointless history is......we all seem to learn it from different points of views and facts (if we can call them facts) change from place to place. In war it's the victors that write it and hide as much as they tell.
often what we teach are folktales and legends as much as the truth.
all the stuff I learnt about the kings and queens of England (apart from the dates) has been rewritten and changed several times since I was taught it 30 odd years ago.
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Post by Hieronymus on Jun 7, 2017 20:18:26 GMT
That can vary by teacher. In my middle school, we spent several weeks learning about the First Nations, mapping the original locations of groups, learning about their cultural practices. But it is usually the case that middle school courses focus on history through the US Civil War / Reconstruction, and then stop. It's high school courses that are supposed to pick up the rest of the 19th century into the 20th, though they don't always do so.
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Post by theotherjosh on Jun 7, 2017 20:32:20 GMT
I'm having a parallel conversation with a friend and he replied with a link to this study. Americans recognize 'past presidents' who never were, study findsSummary: Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Hubert Humphrey and some guy named "Thomas Moore" are among the names that many Americans mistakenly identify as belonging to a past president of the United States, finds a news study by memory researchers. However while I wouldn't expect the average non-American to know who Ben Franklin is if you are going to write about him simply googling would tell you he was never President. Psst either was Alexander Hamilton. But I live in Philadelphia so here Ben Franklin is our city's hero. Heh, he's like the patron saint of Philadelphia. Local legend holds that's just slumbering like King Arthur and he will rise from his throne in the Franklin Institute to defend the city in Philadelphia's hour of greatest need.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 7, 2017 21:08:07 GMT
However while I wouldn't expect the average non-American to know who Ben Franklin is if you are going to write about him simply googling would tell you he was never President. Psst either was Alexander Hamilton. But I live in Philadelphia so here Ben Franklin is our city's hero. Heh, he's like the patron saint of Philadelphia. Local legend holds that's just slumbering like King Arthur and he will rise from his throne in the Franklin Institute to defend the city in Philadelphia's hour of greatest need. Ooo! Will he bring his kite too?
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Post by theotherjosh on Jun 7, 2017 21:26:30 GMT
Heh, he's like the patron saint of Philadelphia. Local legend holds that's just slumbering like King Arthur and he will rise from his throne in the Franklin Institute to defend the city in Philadelphia's hour of greatest need. Ooo! Will he bring his kite too? You can always count on Ben! He will grab it as soon as finishes defending the city from the Kaiju Cheesesteak.
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Post by number13 on Jun 7, 2017 22:39:26 GMT
From the U.K. 1970s perspective: U.S. History taught to me in school - absolutely nothing. Your nation and your continent did not exist, sorry! Since the last five hundred years or so of British history is a semi-accidental but very successful Evil Quest For Global Supremacy and a massively successful Evil Capitalist Industrial Revolution, it made teaching our history difficult enough given the trendyness of the decade and the national liberal shame about the whole enterprise! So I remember being taught politically 'safe' subjects: What The Romans Really Did For Us (though if I wanted to be impish I might suggest they gave us the idea of establishing Global Supremacy and Industrial Capitalism!) Henry VIII and his active but less than successful love life. Something else probably but presumably not very interesting because I can't remember it now. I learned other history from the movies: We Won The War. You Won The War for us. Germans were BAD. Zulus were brave, British soldiers were braver. (Whose land was it anyway? Best not mentioned.) Cowboys were GOOD, "Indians" were BAD. (Whose land was it anyway? Best not mentioned.) etc. I hope things are better now, but as I recall hearing a few years back that U.K. schools were managing to teach about WWII without a single mention of Churchill, I'm not so sure. At least recent 'Doctor Who' would have filled in that gap!
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jun 7, 2017 23:58:43 GMT
Guess I'm lucky, living close to Davy Crockets birthplace as well as Andrew Johnson's.
Learned lots about them in history class.
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