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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 27, 2017 16:02:28 GMT
What is Gas Lighting.
I know what a gas light is. It's a light.. like a light bulb... we had them in caravans when I was a kid...
It's also a play about a victorian man and his new wife...
But... podcaster from the other side of the pond keep saying
The doctor is gaslight ing bill.
And I just don't get it
And I have a masters degree in media. I should know this.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 27, 2017 16:33:44 GMT
Not sure how its relevant to Who, but this.
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Post by theotherjosh on Jun 27, 2017 16:37:04 GMT
It's a form of abuse where the goal is to get the victim to doubt his or her sanity.
The Gaslighting entry on Wikipedia is a decent point of departure for learning more about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 16:58:16 GMT
Then I agree. He's always saying things to belittle and demean her.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 27, 2017 17:23:15 GMT
Then I agree. He's always saying things to belittle and demean her. No he isn't. He's not a human and therefore is following different social codes, even if he knows human ones his could be from any era. No, if any Doctor gaslit a companion it was 7 with Ace, deliberately so in "The Curse of Fenric".
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Post by muckypup on Jun 27, 2017 18:01:50 GMT
I have no idea what they mean in terms of the doctor & bill
But my understanding is old gas lighting and poor ventilation, people would often suffer effects from the toxic fumes emitted, seeing things, drowsiness, drunken like feelings, etc, this is often why the golden age for ghost stories is the Victorian period, people heard and saw things more than any other period.
Gaslighting someone, means you are fooling someone into believing something that you know to be false.
There is an old play about a man diving his wife mad with gaslights.
I also that's where the term gas (I.e. Jumping jack flash it's a gas gas gas from the old Rolling Stones song) having a laugh is from, gaslight parties where high class ladies would delibatatly get high on the fumes to give drunken like states.
Now I have no idea if any of this is correct but I was taught it 35 years ago by our history teacher, (I just looked it up in my old exercise book.....and there it is with a lovely picture I drew of a ghost I was aged 11) Hope it is of some help.....it might just be that "mad Jackson" taught me something useful....but then he also taught us that Eve was Adams second wife, king Harold was shot in the ear & one of the kings was killed buy having a red hot poker shoved up his bum.........so I will leave it up to you to judge
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 18:11:29 GMT
Then I agree. He's always saying things to belittle and demean her. No he isn't. He's not a human and therefore is following different social codes, even if he knows human ones his could be from any era. No, if any Doctor gaslit a companion it was 7 with Ace, deliberately so in "The Curse of Fenric". Well I can't, for example, rationalise his comments this week about her being no better than Missy because she eats meat, and his comments about how slow on the uptake she was, with previous attitudes shown by any Doctor.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 27, 2017 18:15:47 GMT
No its not applicable, its possibly the most equal Doctor/Companion relationship in the Moffatt era. No Gaslighting of any kind.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 27, 2017 18:41:39 GMT
No he isn't. He's not a human and therefore is following different social codes, even if he knows human ones his could be from any era. No, if any Doctor gaslit a companion it was 7 with Ace, deliberately so in "The Curse of Fenric". Well I can't, for example, rationalise his comments this week about her being no better than Missy because she eats meat, and his comments about how slow on the uptake she was, with previous attitudes shown by any Doctor. That still isn't gaslighting though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 1:05:25 GMT
Speaking as someone who has been gaslighted (a deeply unpleasant and traumatic experience), I can safely say that the relationship between the Doctor and Bill is far and away from that. It's probably one of the healthiest Doctor/companion relationships of the Moffat era because they're so transparent with one another. They haven't been hiding anything from one another out of mistrust and the Doctor sure as hell hasn't been making her doubt her own sanity. There's a very wide gap between belittling someone and actively trying to destroy their own sense of who they are or where they are. Well I can't, for example, rationalise his comments this week about her being no better than Missy because she eats meat, and his comments about how slow on the uptake she was, with previous attitudes shown by any Doctor. I can. The Ninth Doctor's attitude to the Geth possessing corpses "It's like recycling," the Sixth Doctor's "I am in your terms an alien," or the various times that the Third Doctor has said -- "Oh, Jo..." in frustration. The Doctor is not human and even if he were, the sheer scope of differing moralities even on our own planet means that even people who exist in the same city are going to have different ideologies. That doesn't make them bad people. If you want a good example of gaslighting, The Trial of a Time Lord has it in spades, particularly in the Mindwarp segment. The Sixth Doctor is repeatedly gaslit by the Valeyard, preying on his uncertain sense of what's real and what isn't.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 28, 2017 7:06:06 GMT
you see... my confusion comes from the play...
in the play. the husband tries to get the wife to think she is mad...
and thats not applicable here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 10:21:51 GMT
you see... my confusion comes from the play... in the play. the husband tries to get the wife to think she is mad... and thats not applicable here. Gaslight, you mean? It has an amazing film adaptation starring Ingrid Bergman, she does very well in it. No, not even remotely. I don't think that word means what the podcaster wants it to mean. What it sounds like is they're badmouthing an incarnation for something they're not actually doing. Either that or conflating one word with another by mistake. No televised Doctor has actually gaslit a companion and it's an assertion that's as concrete as wet paper on a pond.
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Post by omega on Jun 28, 2017 11:01:16 GMT
Gaslighting comes up a few times in Dark Shadows. Most prominently when Rev. Gregory Trask tries to drive his second wife insane so he can get her money. His means included blackmailing a satanist, and being responsible for the death of his first wife. It came up again in the Leviathan storyline, where those inducted into the cult would manipulate those trying to investigate into also being inducted or being completely unreliable sources of information.
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Post by omega on Jun 28, 2017 11:07:22 GMT
Speaking as someone who has been gaslighted (a deeply unpleasant and traumatic experience), I can safely say that the relationship between the Doctor and Bill is far and away from that. It's probably one of the healthiest Doctor/companion relationships of the Moffat era because they're so transparent with one another. They haven't been hiding anything from one another out of mistrust and the Doctor sure as hell hasn't been making her doubt her own sanity. There's a very wide gap between belittling someone and actively trying to destroy their own sense of who they are or where they are. I'd go so far as to say the relationship between the Doctor and Bill is one of the healthiest between any Doctor and companion in the New Series. There's no secrets, they have a healthy respect for each other and trust in each other. It probably helps they spend time together outside of the TARDIS in what is a normal setting for them and us, rather than racketing around the cosmos all the time. The Doctor is far more in tune to Bill's emotional state than he appears to be (giving her the photos of her mother).
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Post by pawntake on Jun 28, 2017 13:47:39 GMT
one of the kings was killed by having a red hot poker shoved up his bum......... That was Edward the Second!! Ouch!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 16:25:52 GMT
one of the kings was killed by having a red hot poker shoved up his bum......... That was Edward the Second!! Ouch!!!! Allegedly!
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Post by pawntake on Jun 29, 2017 8:00:23 GMT
That was Edward the Second!! Ouch!!!! Allegedly! Yes it was public belief,but it was more likely than not Medieval propaganda,one theory about the red hot poker.this was one way of killing someone without leaving any marks on the body.{Muckeypups history teacher obviously believes this)Edward 11 was certainly taken to Berkely castle,thrown into a dungeon and tortured.The tomb of Edward is in Gloucestshire cathedral,once again allegedly.Other medieval sources claim that Edward escaped to the continent,to live out the remainder of his life.Here ends todays history lesson.
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Post by mrperson on Jun 29, 2017 17:54:38 GMT
Then I agree. He's always saying things to belittle and demean her. Nah, even if he is being nasty to her, that's not gaslighting. Correct: "So what does this word mean? "Gaslighting" is used to describe abusive behavior, specifically when an abuser manipulates information in such a way as to make a victim question his or her sanity. Gaslighting intentionally makes someone doubt their memories or perception of reality." He's not trying to make her doubt that the events of the "suits" episode ever happened, and he's not trying to make her think that the TARDIS was actually dark purple when they first met.
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