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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 1, 2017 23:01:17 GMT
Okay, have to ask, what do people have against the episode The Doctor's Daughter? At the time, I thought it was a great episode with a really cool twist. Now, I think it's a great episode with a really cool twist. Did I like Jenny then? Yes. Do I like Jenny know? Yes. People say they have issues with the episode though, and I'd love to know what they are As an episode, I think it is too crowded. The Doctor, Donna & Martha. Plus Jenny. Throw in a by-the-numbers conflict with an evil human general and you've got a whole lot of eh. Nothing in the episode seems fully cooked to me. Do I think the idea of Jenny has merit? Yes. I just don't think there was room to really develop any of the questions the creation of Jenny should have raised. By the end I had nothing really invested in the character. There was nothing wrong with Georgia Moffat's performance, I just don't think there was much to work with on the script end. I don't hate the episode. I just don't think it is all that memorable or special. And when put in context of what was overall a really strong series of Doctor WHo, I don't feel like it holds up all that well. That said, I guess I see the appeal of the box set to some. The character is certainly a blank slate, which means the series could do some interesting things and whatever they chose to do with Jenny isn't tied down by much TV continuity. Anyway, it isn't something I've been waiting for with bated breath. Having Fitton & Dorney on it is a good sign. Who knows?
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Post by rran on Nov 2, 2017 3:50:14 GMT
Okay, have to ask, what do people have against the episode The Doctor's Daughter? At the time, I thought it was a great episode with a really cool twist. Now, I think it's a great episode with a really cool twist. Did I like Jenny then? Yes. Do I like Jenny know? Yes. People say they have issues with the episode though, and I'd love to know what they are I have neutral feelings towards Jenny, never liked or disliked her, only that her character wasn't developed well enough. Maybe I'll give the audios a try, you never know
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Post by Ela on Nov 2, 2017 5:37:12 GMT
I'll definitely be pre-ordering this. I'm excited!
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Post by Bazoolium on Nov 2, 2017 9:22:36 GMT
I like Jenny (what little we've seen of her), but I think she might work better as a supporting character for River. All of these Boxsets of companions running around time and space might start to seem the same. Do they all tell different types of stories?
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Post by aztec on Nov 3, 2017 10:26:13 GMT
My initial thoughts: I never particularly cared for the episode (in fact, I think I've seen it only twice-and not for at least six or seven years), or character so I personally always found it a bit baffling so many fans seemed so eager to see her return-it's not that I hated Jenny...there just wasn't much there to judge the character or connect to, sure the relationship with the Doctor is interesting and there's some interesting ideas around her rebirth/innocence you could build on, but I can think of numerous other one-off characters from New Who I'd rather see return instead...then again there's so little we know about the character they could take her in any direction so perhaps it's unfair to judge until we get more info, certainly exciting BF have full confidence (and backing from the BBC) to explore the various expansive corners of New Who...there's still hope for the 'Man With Chips' spinoff yet Jago and Lightfoot were perhaps equally obscure characters, and from the few audios I've heard that turned into a fanstastic spinoff, so you never know... But perhaps that is just my own bias, certainly not questioning the talent/enthusiasm of those involved, but I don't think this range would interest me personally...
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Post by MayoTango131 on Nov 3, 2017 14:15:53 GMT
Okay, have to ask, what do people have against the episode The Doctor's Daughter? At the time, I thought it was a great episode with a really cool twist. Now, I think it's a great episode with a really cool twist. Did I like Jenny then? Yes. Do I like Jenny know? Yes. People say they have issues with the episode though, and I'd love to know what they are Doc Oho's review of that episode explains it all: docohobigfinish.blogspot.cl/2014/07/the-doctors-daughter-written-by-stephen.htmlJenny is not Miranda.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 16:46:15 GMT
Things seem to be getting a bit crowded now. Wonder how they will make this different to some of the other ranges enough to warrent a purchase.
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Post by number13 on Nov 3, 2017 22:16:26 GMT
My initial thoughts: I never particularly cared for the episode (in fact, I think I've seen it only twice-and not for at least six or seven years), or character so I personally always found it a bit baffling so many fans seemed so eager to see her return-it's not that I hated Jenny...there just wasn't much there to judge the character or connect to, sure the relationship with the Doctor is interesting and there's some interesting ideas around her rebirth/innocence you could build on, but I can think of numerous other one-off characters from New Who I'd rather see return instead...then again there's so little we know about the character they could take her in any direction so perhaps it's unfair to judge until we get more info, certainly exciting BF have full confidence (and backing from the BBC) to explore the various expansive corners of New Who...there's still hope for the 'Man With Chips' spinoff yet Jago and Lightfoot were perhaps equally obscure characters, and from the few audios I've heard that turned into a fanstastic spinoff, so you never know... But perhaps that is just my own bias, certainly not questioning the talent/enthusiasm of those involved, but I don't think this range would interest me personally... Agree - except that Jago & Litefoot weren't reallly obscure. They had the 'luck' to be created in one of the best-remembered and most talked about stories of classic Who (and of course contributed to that story's reputation.). And they are simply perfect together from the second that Jago thinks the Prof. (sweeping up after a visit from Greel's mob) is the butler, not the "peerless professor of pathology". Two episodes, that's all they were together for on screen, but even in that most memorable story they stood out and were never forgotten.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 4, 2017 16:48:24 GMT
My initial thoughts: I never particularly cared for the episode (in fact, I think I've seen it only twice-and not for at least six or seven years), or character so I personally always found it a bit baffling so many fans seemed so eager to see her return-it's not that I hated Jenny...there just wasn't much there to judge the character or connect to, sure the relationship with the Doctor is interesting and there's some interesting ideas around her rebirth/innocence you could build on, but I can think of numerous other one-off characters from New Who I'd rather see return instead...then again there's so little we know about the character they could take her in any direction so perhaps it's unfair to judge until we get more info, certainly exciting BF have full confidence (and backing from the BBC) to explore the various expansive corners of New Who...there's still hope for the 'Man With Chips' spinoff yet Jago and Lightfoot were perhaps equally obscure characters, and from the few audios I've heard that turned into a fanstastic spinoff, so you never know... But perhaps that is just my own bias, certainly not questioning the talent/enthusiasm of those involved, but I don't think this range would interest me personally... Agree - except that Jago & Litefoot weren't reallly obscure. They had the 'luck' to be created in one of the best-remembered and most talked about stories of classic Who (and of course contributed to that story's reputation.). And they are simply perfect together from the second that Jago thinks the Prof. (sweeping up after a visit from Greel's mob) is the butler, not the "peerless professor of pathology". Two episodes, that's all they were together for on screen, but even in that most memorable story they stood out and were never forgotten. Two twenty five minute episodes together. That makes them obscure, even if they proved memorable to audiences.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 4, 2017 16:56:00 GMT
Agree - except that Jago & Litefoot weren't reallly obscure. They had the 'luck' to be created in one of the best-remembered and most talked about stories of classic Who (and of course contributed to that story's reputation.). And they are simply perfect together from the second that Jago thinks the Prof. (sweeping up after a visit from Greel's mob) is the butler, not the "peerless professor of pathology". Two episodes, that's all they were together for on screen, but even in that most memorable story they stood out and were never forgotten. Two twenty five minute episodes together. That makes them obscure, even if they proved memorable to audiences. Two twenty five minute episodes together in one of the most praised Doctor Who stories. I will admit to being sceptical going into this release (will hold off buying till initial reviews come in), as Jenny's a kind of 'meh' character to me (she's not a bad character, but the thought of her returning doesn't get me excited immediately), though admittedly it's been years since I last saw The Doctor's Daughter.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 4, 2017 16:57:09 GMT
Two twenty five minute episodes together. That makes them obscure, even if they proved memorable to audiences. Two twenty five minute episodes together in one of the most praised Doctor Who stories. Obscurity is not to do with quality though, it's quantity - or the lack of it.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 4, 2017 17:10:18 GMT
Two twenty five minute episodes together in one of the most praised Doctor Who stories. Obscurity is not to do with quality though, it's quantity - or the lack of it. You are conflating obscurity with rarity. Obscurity means that a thing is relatively unknown, even if there is a goodly amount of it.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 4, 2017 19:25:41 GMT
Obscurity is not to do with quality though, it's quantity - or the lack of it. You are conflating obscurity with rarity. Obscurity means that a thing is relatively unknown, even if there is a goodly amount of it. You are correct.
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Post by rran on Nov 8, 2017 3:58:16 GMT
I'll wait on this and order it in March or April. I'm going to get it eventually but at the moment I'd reserve my funds for loads of stuff on the back catalogue that I really really want to catch up with.
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Post by newt5996 on Nov 8, 2017 4:08:09 GMT
Okay, have to ask, what do people have against the episode The Doctor's Daughter? At the time, I thought it was a great episode with a really cool twist. Now, I think it's a great episode with a really cool twist. Did I like Jenny then? Yes. Do I like Jenny know? Yes. People say they have issues with the episode though, and I'd love to know what they are Personally it's the Doctor's whole I'm the man who NEVER would use a gun and the man who NEVER would kill someone. Sorry, while you could argue the gun and anti-war thing is because Time War, Tennant's Doctor has been shown to kill in the past and reap punishments worse then death (The Runaway Bride and Human Nature come to mind)
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Post by relativetime on Nov 8, 2017 4:24:59 GMT
Okay, have to ask, what do people have against the episode The Doctor's Daughter? At the time, I thought it was a great episode with a really cool twist. Now, I think it's a great episode with a really cool twist. Did I like Jenny then? Yes. Do I like Jenny know? Yes. People say they have issues with the episode though, and I'd love to know what they are Personally it's the Doctor's whole I'm the man who NEVER would use a gun and the man who NEVER would kill someone. Sorry, while you could argue the gun and anti-war thing is because Time War, Tennant's Doctor has been shown to kill in the past and reap punishments worse then death (The Runaway Bride and Human Nature come to mind) It's not even really that for me, because I'm totally fine with the Doctor aspiring to be like that. It's really how it's presented - the Doctor basically telling everyone to be like him. It's very egotistical and just rings hollow in a scene that could have been packed with emotion. Maybe a great speech about all the damage the Doctor has seen guns and death do in his long life - ESPECIALLY the Time War - and how he wouldn't wish that upon any society. Totally agree, though, that it's a major hypocritical moment for this incarnation of the Doctor that he really should have been called out for or held accountable for.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 8, 2017 7:05:47 GMT
Although with a little trepidation I will definitely be preordering this set.
After the CPD (Charlotte Pollard Debacle) I had decided to approach other spin-offs with a degree more caution and lowed expectations. And not to put my own hopes and desires onto other people’s creations.
But wondering what these new adventures have in store is part of the fun of pre-ordering!
So here are a couple of random thoughts
I see that Stuart Milligan is mentioned in the cast list! With the first story being Stolen Goods by Matt Fitton surely that means we will be getting a return of Garundel (last heard in Matt Fitton’s Starlight Robbery) I wonder if our would be Timelord will acquire some time tech in that first story?
If Garundel is included, The Doctor's Daughter will offer a mixture of old and new. I love the fact that we are getting a chance to meet more New Series monsters like the Ood. If this series continues it would be great to get some more of the alien races that the Doctor wouldn’t be able to meet in his past.
With Jenny being born to fight will she be conflicted about how to resolve a situation?She was only with her dad a short while, so will his pacifist influence be so in grained. Or will she become, not so much The War Doctor as the Soldier-Doctor? Perhaps she will carry a weapon or perhaps she simply won’t trust herself with gun in fear of what she would do? It will be interesting to see if and how the writers approach her “born to fight” creation.
I have said in the past that I would like Jenny to go on a quest to find her father and I still would like there to be a purpose to her adventures rather than just a collection of stories. I am still a little concerned how she will be different to other the intergalactic heroines that Big Finish have spun off from Doctor Who.
And finally (for now) and most importantly for audio...will she ditch the combat gear and dress a bit more Doctorish!?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 8, 2017 9:14:00 GMT
Okay, have to ask, what do people have against the episode The Doctor's Daughter? At the time, I thought it was a great episode with a really cool twist. Now, I think it's a great episode with a really cool twist. Did I like Jenny then? Yes. Do I like Jenny know? Yes. People say they have issues with the episode though, and I'd love to know what they are Personally it's the Doctor's whole I'm the man who NEVER would use a gun and the man who NEVER would kill someone. Sorry, while you could argue the gun and anti-war thing is because Time War, Tennant's Doctor has been shown to kill in the past and reap punishments worse then death (The Runaway Bride and Human Nature come to mind) But that's who the Doctor is at his core though. When he does use a gun or kill anyone it's because of the lack of other options.
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Post by elkawho on Nov 9, 2017 4:30:40 GMT
I plan to listen to this, but I'm not jumping up to preorder.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 9, 2017 12:21:32 GMT
The amount of people yesterday in my local comic shop I had to explain that she wasn't appearing in the New Series, she's doing audio adventures lol
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