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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 5, 2017 22:33:10 GMT
Like the boxset pitching threads, explain what your take on a TARDIS interior would look like.
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Post by glutamodo on Aug 5, 2017 22:57:29 GMT
don't ask me, since I would just end up describing the 1980's TARDIS. hah.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 4:27:53 GMT
It's actually really hard to think of a good design that hasn't been done already... I loved the late 1980s console room design. Not so much the stage-like quality of it where the fourth wall was very, very noticeably absent, but the console and the walls all had this feeling of genuine seclusion and isolation. I also really liked the idea that each roundel contained a bit of hardware necessary for the ship's functionality and wasn't just an aesthetic choice. I think I'd really like the idea of it scaled up to the size of the McGann console room like what was done during the Richards-edited run of EDAs. Maybe with a few stylistic touches like something from a Frank Bellamy comic. All of that said, I do like the warm cosiness of this one. It feels very, very much like a refuge as the TARDIS should be:
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 6, 2017 4:57:51 GMT
I've always had a soft spot for the "suspended from the ceiling with no base" style console. So here you go....
Amber followed the Doctor into the blue box, wary of her intentions luring her into such a confined space but safe in the knowledge she was armed with mace. The can of mass slipped from numb fingers when instead of a small confined space, she was standing in a large room seemingly made out of blue cut-crystal or ice. Smooth and somehow alive with energy. The walls arced up to meet together and create a vaulted ceiling from which a single steligtite descended, a long column no wider then her waist that ended at a mushroom table suspended a few feet off the floor. The table was covered with buttons and flashing lights. Standing in front of it, a look of avuncular smugness, like that of a teacher regarding a struggling student who they'd help achieve something astounding, was the Doctor. "Please, say the first thing that comes to mind" she said with a wry smile.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 7, 2017 11:59:39 GMT
It's actually really hard to think of a good design that hasn't been done already... I loved the late 1980s console room design. Not so much the stage-like quality of it where the fourth wall was very, very noticeably absent, but the console and the walls all had this feeling of genuine seclusion and isolation. I also really liked the idea that each roundel contained a bit of hardware necessary for the ship's functionality and wasn't just an aesthetic choice. I think I'd really like the idea of it scaled up to the size of the McGann console room like what was done during the Richards-edited run of EDAs. Maybe with a few stylistic touches like something from a Frank Bellamy comic. All of that said, I do like the warm cosiness of this one. It feels very, very much like a refuge as the TARDIS should be: I love that picture. Makes me think its the next logical step from the Cathedral Tardis of the TVM, leading into what the War Doctor had
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 13:27:46 GMT
I love that picture. Makes me think its the next logical step from the Cathedral Tardis of the TVM, leading into what the War Doctor had It's got a wonderful sense of balance to it, doesn't it? The only problem I can think of is the same one that applies to the Original and Cathedral designs is that when the TARDIS inevitably hits a spot of turbulence, the Doctor's going to be shouting to his companions to make sure that everything that isn't nailed down stays exactly where it was.
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Post by Bazoolium on Aug 7, 2017 13:52:44 GMT
I don't mind, so long as the hat stand is back.... Not that the Doctor ever used it.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 7, 2017 15:13:48 GMT
I love that picture. Makes me think its the next logical step from the Cathedral Tardis of the TVM, leading into what the War Doctor had It's got a wonderful sense of balance to it, doesn't it? The only problem I can think of is the same one that applies to the Original and Cathedral designs is that when the TARDIS inevitably hits a spot of turbulence, the Doctor's going to be shouting to his companions to make sure that everything that isn't nailed down stays exactly where it was. It does have that great look to it. Is it stated at which point The Tardis changed from the Cathedral look to a different design for 8?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 7, 2017 21:06:11 GMT
It's got a wonderful sense of balance to it, doesn't it? The only problem I can think of is the same one that applies to the Original and Cathedral designs is that when the TARDIS inevitably hits a spot of turbulence, the Doctor's going to be shouting to his companions to make sure that everything that isn't nailed down stays exactly where it was. It does have that great look to it. Is it stated at which point The Tardis changed from the Cathedral look to a different design for 8? In the books yes, after the TARDIS finishes regenerating in "Escape Velocity" there's a chapter all but dedicated to describing the new TARDIS console room.
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Post by glutamodo on Aug 7, 2017 21:54:08 GMT
Wasn't there something at the end of Lungbarrow talking about how 7's TARDIS had been re-written?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 1:27:55 GMT
It does have that great look to it. Is it stated at which point The Tardis changed from the Cathedral look to a different design for 8? In the books yes, after the TARDIS finishes regenerating in "Escape Velocity" there's a chapter all but dedicated to describing the new TARDIS console room. Yep. The room undergoes several alterations before settling down in Trading Futures into a hexagonal room containing four alcoves. One contained what could essentially be the study, another led to the library, the third housed the workshop and the fourth contained a replica of the Doctor's kitchen in the House on Allen Road. The whole thing was annihilated by a fission bomb and is probably the reason why Lucie quips that most of the TARDIS looks as though it's being held together by duct tape in Blood of the Daleks. There could very well be an entirely new console room (probably not console though) used in the Big Finish N-EDAs that isn't discussed. It's kind of like the console room that the DWM comics gave to the NAs, the latter day EDA room doesn't tend to get discussed very often because it's exclusive to the EU. Wasn't there something at the end of Lungbarrow talking about how 7's TARDIS had been re-written? Yep, its interior dimensions were collapsed to prevent his family from hijacking it inside the House. The implication was that when the Doctor reset it, it became the Cathedral from the TVM. Excelis Decays built upon that, stating that the makeup of the room itself was mostly his doing. He ran everything back to ensure it was working and likely built the console himself from scratch. The design is therefore likely inspired by his ancestral home or at least, that was the implication at the time. I know that the original secondary console room was what gave the Timewyrm her power... Since another pops up in Blood Heat, it's possible that room could be a smaller iteration of what eventually becomes the TVM console room and the source of the one used in Big Finish during Hex's arc (if you're more inclined to put BF just after the Timewyrm stories, during the early NAs).
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Post by constonks on Aug 8, 2017 17:16:00 GMT
Wasn't there something at the end of Lungbarrow talking about how 7's TARDIS had been re-written? Yep, its interior dimensions were collapsed to prevent his family from hijacking it inside the House. The implication was that when the Doctor reset it, it became the Cathedral from the TVM. Excelis Decays built upon that, stating that the makeup of the room itself was mostly his doing. He ran everything back to ensure it was working and likely built the console himself from scratch. The design is therefore likely inspired by his ancestral home or at least, that was the implication at the time. The online re-release of Lungbarrow (the one I've read as an original copy is so expensive to come by) adds a short scene where the Doctor and Chris take a breather on the planet Extans Superior - Excelis Decays could absolutely fit in that gap, with the Doctor fixing up the ship and Chris reclining with a drink waiting for him to return. As to the question, though - what about an Escherian console with furniture and walkways that lead along the walls and ceilings? Something we couldn't have had in the 60s-70s-80s but can totally manage with practical sets and a little dash of CG nowadays.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 9, 2017 10:19:39 GMT
Is there actually a drawing of the latter EDA console room/Tardis?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 11:21:35 GMT
Yep, its interior dimensions were collapsed to prevent his family from hijacking it inside the House. The implication was that when the Doctor reset it, it became the Cathedral from the TVM. Excelis Decays built upon that, stating that the makeup of the room itself was mostly his doing. He ran everything back to ensure it was working and likely built the console himself from scratch. The design is therefore likely inspired by his ancestral home or at least, that was the implication at the time. The online re-release of Lungbarrow (the one I've read as an original copy is so expensive to come by) adds a short scene where the Doctor and Chris take a breather on the planet Extans Superior - Excelis Decays could absolutely fit in that gap, with the Doctor fixing up the ship and Chris reclining with a drink waiting for him to return. As to the question, though - what about an Escherian console with furniture and walkways that lead along the walls and ceilings? Something we couldn't have had in the 60s-70s-80s but can totally manage with practical sets and a little dash of CG nowadays. Is there actually a drawing of the latter EDA console room/Tardis? That image was as close as I could find at the time. There used to be a page for something that looked very similar to how it was described on this website, but... I don't think I can find it anymore, it's been supplanted by something else. This was the only image I was able to dig up from online archives, it was on Pinterest:
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 9, 2017 14:18:26 GMT
The online re-release of Lungbarrow (the one I've read as an original copy is so expensive to come by) adds a short scene where the Doctor and Chris take a breather on the planet Extans Superior - Excelis Decays could absolutely fit in that gap, with the Doctor fixing up the ship and Chris reclining with a drink waiting for him to return. As to the question, though - what about an Escherian console with furniture and walkways that lead along the walls and ceilings? Something we couldn't have had in the 60s-70s-80s but can totally manage with practical sets and a little dash of CG nowadays. Is there actually a drawing of the latter EDA console room/Tardis? That image was as close as I could find at the time. There used to be a page for something that looked very similar to how it was described on this website, but... I don't think I can find it anymore, it's been supplanted by something else. This was the only image I was able to dig up from online archives, it was on Pinterest: Ah fair enough. i can use an idea from both then to get the look
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 9, 2017 14:51:52 GMT
Is the EDA look the one 8 has in the Charley adventures or is it a different look? lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 20:40:32 GMT
Is the EDA look the one 8 has in the Charley adventures or is it a different look? lol Good question. It really depends on where you stick Big Finish in regard to the EDAs. Me personally, I've got this informal Reaffirmation trilogy at the beginning of Eight's life that consists of The Dying Days, Shada and (most importantly) Endgame from the comics. In his DWM travels with Izzy, it's mentioned that it's only been a couple months since San Francisco (and those early stories were written by Alan Barnes from 1996 onwards), not enough time to have been caught up in a future War he wasn't supposed to know about. Couple that with Charley's dissatisfaction at how the room "looks like something out of Jules Verne," and I like to think that Storm Warning is just after Oblivion where he's still using the Cathedral console room. Although -- and my memory might be shoddy on this one -- we never do see a "secondary" (such a loaded statement considering that the "secondary" introduced in Mandragora was supposed to be the original) console room during Eight's time. The rest of the TARDIS has a crumbling Gothic quality to it like the inside of a stormswept castle, but there might very well be another pewter grey console room floating around the place. Just need a reason to find it.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 9, 2017 20:52:33 GMT
Is the EDA look the one 8 has in the Charley adventures or is it a different look? lol Good question. It really depends on where you stick Big Finish in regard to the EDAs. Me personally, I've got this informal Reaffirmation trilogy at the beginning of Eight's life that consists of The Dying Days, Shada and (most importantly) Endgame from the comics. In his DWM travels with Izzy, it's mentioned that it's only been a couple months since San Francisco (and those early stories were written by Alan Barnes from 1996 onwards), not enough time to have been caught up in a future War he wasn't supposed to know about. Couple that with Charley's dissatisfaction at how the room "looks like something out of Jules Verne," and I like to think that Storm Warning is just after Oblivion where he's still using the Cathedral console room. Although -- and my memory might be shoddy on this one -- we never do see a "secondary" (such a loaded statement considering that the "secondary" introduced in Mandragora was supposed to be the original) console room during Eight's time. The rest of the TARDIS has a crumbling Gothic quality to it like the inside of a stormswept castle, but there might very well be another pewter grey console room floating around the place. Just need a reason to find it. Isn't the main issue being the first EDA, The Eight Doctors, picks up directly from the TV Movie? Based on what I know of the EDAs (I haven't read any, I live in fear of inflated eBay prices) I place the order as: Movie The Eight Doctors The Dying Days Radio Times Comics DWM Comics Charley Big Finish Vampire Science Rest of the EDAs Lucie Big Finish Dark Eyes Doom Coalition Titan Comics Time War stories (I do have a separate theory which places most of the EDAs in an alternate Timeline, but it's a bit convoluted) By this theory, Charley has the TV Movie console room, whereas Lucie is using whatever look the room has after the devastation in The Gallifrey Chronicles (it's possible the TARDIS simply repaired the EDA room and carried on using it). As per the secondary control room, well spoilers below for a very recent Big Finish release: {Spoiler} In Day of the Vashta Nerada, the secondary control room is used by the eighth Doctor. I don't remember any description of it, so it might not necessarily be the same design as Masque.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 9, 2017 21:02:42 GMT
As for OP, I quite like the TV Movie design for it's combination of the machine and a home. What I dislike about the 80s control room is it doesn't feel like anyone's living there, it's all very functional. The original 60s design managed a compromise, what with the random furniture doted around it (well in it's very first appearance at least, the control room was anything but consistent in the 60s). I like how the "neon" control room has evolved under Capaldi to feature bits and pieces of furniture.
So essentially my Tardis pitch would be-it's a machine, but it's still also a home.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 21:23:09 GMT
Good question. It really depends on where you stick Big Finish in regard to the EDAs. Me personally, I've got this informal Reaffirmation trilogy at the beginning of Eight's life that consists of The Dying Days, Shada and (most importantly) Endgame from the comics. In his DWM travels with Izzy, it's mentioned that it's only been a couple months since San Francisco (and those early stories were written by Alan Barnes from 1996 onwards), not enough time to have been caught up in a future War he wasn't supposed to know about. Couple that with Charley's dissatisfaction at how the room "looks like something out of Jules Verne," and I like to think that Storm Warning is just after Oblivion where he's still using the Cathedral console room. Although -- and my memory might be shoddy on this one -- we never do see a "secondary" (such a loaded statement considering that the "secondary" introduced in Mandragora was supposed to be the original) console room during Eight's time. The rest of the TARDIS has a crumbling Gothic quality to it like the inside of a stormswept castle, but there might very well be another pewter grey console room floating around the place. Just need a reason to find it. Isn't the main issue being the first EDA, The Eight Doctors, picks up directly from the TV Movie? Based on what I know of the EDAs (I haven't read any, I live in fear of inflated eBay prices) I place the order as: Movie The Eight Doctors The Dying Days Radio Times Comics DWM Comics Charley Big Finish Vampire Science Rest of the EDAs Lucie Big Finish Dark Eyes Doom Coalition Titan Comics Time War stories (I do have a separate theory which places most of the EDAs in an alternate Timeline, but it's a bit convoluted) By this theory, Charley has the TV Movie console room, whereas Lucie is using whatever look the room has after the devastation in The Gallifrey Chronicles (it's possible the TARDIS simply repaired the EDA room and carried on using it). As per the secondary control room, well spoilers below for a very recent Big Finish release: In Day of the Vashta Nerada, the secondary control room is used by the eighth Doctor. I don't remember any description of it, so it might not necessarily be the same design as Masque. That's about the long and short of it. The Eight Doctors has its own problems in how it tries to "Trial and Tribble-ations" its way through televised continuity (something which The Name of the Doctor did fractionally better), I'm a big proponent of letting it exist in that vague half-life of Timelash and stories like it. The Radio Times comics can be placed wherever you'd like prior to the EDAs really, I only found out they existed when they were mentioned in Placebo Effect. They also suffered from vanishing without a departure story like Raine, so their oubliette is quite extensive. Everything else looks to be pretty much on target. I put everything from Where Nobody Knows Your Name to The Flood after The Girl Who Never Was based on the more grounded Eighth Doctor (who cracks a man's neck with an open palm to the chin) and his (otherwise inexplicable) depression in that first comic story. That and the fact that Destrii doesn't get a departure story, so when she leaves and Sam returns it feels less like we've lost a chunk of Eight's life. The gap after The Gallifrey Chronicles could be smoothed out by The Infinity Doctors once upon a time in which the Doctor is on the High Council and has cut his hair short (giving his self-conscious deflection about his hair not being a wig in Blood a new context), but nowadays in light of things like Dark Eyes... It's a touch vaguer. I did some digging just now and The Dying Days mentions the TVM parlour as being established in a secondary console room, one of many throughout the ship. Maybe referring to it as the room is a mistake... After all, there should theoretically be a tertiary console room still floating about the TARDIS's substructure. I wonder when we'll eventually get to the quaternary, quinary, senary, septenary, octonary, nonary and denary control rooms? Why has no one ever made that joke before...?
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