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Post by sherlock on May 14, 2019 20:44:31 GMT
And is that a Cushing Dalek I see??Well, not quite - there's no yellow Cushing Dalek and it has a plunger instead of a claw, but it feels inspired by that at least I suppose it was left to me to do the geeky bit... The Black & Gold (not yellow) Dalek featured is [or related to] the Dalek Supreme from Planet of the Daleks. Technically it is actually a 'Cushing Dalek', as the Dalek Supreme from Planet of the Daleks was made from parts of two Dalek props used in the Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150AD film. This Dalek had been owned by Terry Nation since that film was made in 1966. Honestly this is why I enjoy this forum, where else would you find a detailed history of the Dalek Supreme prop relayed by a user with said prop as their avatar. And that is a splendid cover. With such a tempting premise as well I am sorely tempted to add it to my preorder list...
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Post by slithe on May 31, 2019 9:44:36 GMT
Title of MR (sorry, still call it that) release 255 has been updated: Harry Houdini's War by Steve Lyons. Ol' Sixie will be meeting Harry Houdini by the looks of it (though the story details are not up yet). Have to say that I am quite looking forward to this one. I swear Sixie has mentioned Houdini several times in past releases, so hopefully this will be a great story. www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-harry-houdini-s-war-1285
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Post by lidar2 on May 31, 2019 10:01:22 GMT
Title of MR (sorry, still call it that) release 255 has been updated: Harry Houdini's War by Steve Lyons. Ol' Sixie will be meeting Harry Houdini by the looks of it (though the story details are not up yet). Have to say that I am quite looking forward to this one. I swear Sixie has mentioned Houdini several times in past releases, so hopefully this will be a great story. www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-harry-houdini-s-war-1285the doctor has mentioned Houdini several times and he met him in a 5th Dr story Destiny of the Doctor - Smoke & Mirrors by none other than Steve Lyons as well
Wonder if they are getting Tim Beckman back to play Houdini?
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Post by slithe on May 31, 2019 11:10:45 GMT
Title of MR (sorry, still call it that) release 255 has been updated: Harry Houdini's War by Steve Lyons. Ol' Sixie will be meeting Harry Houdini by the looks of it (though the story details are not up yet). Have to say that I am quite looking forward to this one. I swear Sixie has mentioned Houdini several times in past releases, so hopefully this will be a great story. www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-harry-houdini-s-war-1285the doctor has mentioned Houdini several times and he met him in a 5th Dr story Destiny of the Doctor - Smoke & Mirrors by none other than Steve Lyons as well
Wonder if they are getting Tim Beckman back to play Houdini?
Did not know that about the 5th Doctor story - not caught up with the Destiny of the Doctor series yet. Hopefully, if Lyons is writing this, then they will try to get as much continuity between the stories as possible. Houdini and Ol' Sixie (and Peri) just 'feels' right to me. That might sound really strange, but it's just a gut feeling I've got. The Fourth Doctor would come a close second (the quirkiness and Bohemian nature of the Fourth would play well also). Interesting that the Doctor meets Houdini and then, for Davison's release, Cicero. That's two 'historical' characters in a row. Wonder if this is part of a wider theme of releases (sorry, speculating again!)
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Post by slithe on May 31, 2019 11:12:53 GMT
Latest issue of DWM has some hints at The Memories of a Tyrant and how the 'Memory Farm' offers Peri some greater character development. The piece mentions that Peri's father died when she was very young and that the story gives an opportunity to delve into this by allowing Peri to revisit her 'memories' of her time with him. Could be a great angle and help to fill in some of the pieces of Peri's backstory.
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Post by constonks on May 31, 2019 14:25:12 GMT
Interesting that the Doctor meets Houdini and then, for Davison's release, Cicero. That's two 'historical' characters in a row. Wonder if this is part of a wider theme of releases (sorry, speculating again!) Well, they're both September releases so they might very well come out on the same day! Latest issue of DWM has some hints at The Memories of a Tyrant and how the 'Memory Farm' offers Peri some greater character development. The piece mentions that Peri's father died when she was very young and that the story gives an opportunity to delve into this by allowing Peri to revisit her 'memories' of her time with him. Could be a great angle and help to fill in some of the pieces of Peri's backstory. Also, does DWM mention if this Peri is Pre-Mindwarp or Post-Mindwarp?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on May 31, 2019 14:53:39 GMT
Well it definitely looks like an interesting story from just the title, and if it is gonna be a follow up to Smoke and Mirrors then I really need to finally listen to that story.
It’s a shame it wasn’t a Nev Fountain script, but if this trilogy does turn out to be Older Peri, it doesn’t look like they have any intention of resolving the arc yet so it doesn’t really make a difference.
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Post by constonks on May 31, 2019 16:30:07 GMT
Well it definitely looks like an interesting story from just the title, and if it is gonna be a follow up to Smoke and Mirrors then I really need to finally listen to that story. It’s a shame it wasn’t a Nev Fountain script, but if this trilogy does turn out to be Older Peri, it doesn’t look like they have any intention of resolving the arc yet so it doesn’t really make a difference. You'd think not, but then the Time Lords remove the Doctor for another trial and she marries Houdini off-screen.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on May 31, 2019 16:36:16 GMT
Well it definitely looks like an interesting story from just the title, and if it is gonna be a follow up to Smoke and Mirrors then I really need to finally listen to that story. It’s a shame it wasn’t a Nev Fountain script, but if this trilogy does turn out to be Older Peri, it doesn’t look like they have any intention of resolving the arc yet so it doesn’t really make a difference. You'd think not, but then the Time Lords remove the Doctor for another trial and she marries Houdini off-screen. Constance is then pulled out of time for the Trial and afterwards the Doctor realises it’s his destiny to go to Bletchley and meet her.
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 1, 2019 10:20:14 GMT
Interesting that the Doctor meets Houdini and then, for Davison's release, Cicero. That's two 'historical' characters in a row. Wonder if this is part of a wider theme of releases (sorry, speculating again!) Well, they're both September releases so they might very well come out on the same day! Latest issue of DWM has some hints at The Memories of a Tyrant and how the 'Memory Farm' offers Peri some greater character development. The piece mentions that Peri's father died when she was very young and that the story gives an opportunity to delve into this by allowing Peri to revisit her 'memories' of her time with him. Could be a great angle and help to fill in some of the pieces of Peri's backstory. Also, does DWM mention if this Peri is Pre-Mindwarp or Post-Mindwarp? Set between Revelation and Trial according to Vortex. Disappointing.
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Post by slithe on Jun 1, 2019 10:33:55 GMT
Well, they're both September releases so they might very well come out on the same day! Also, does DWM mention if this Peri is Pre-Mindwarp or Post-Mindwarp? Set between Revelation and Trial according to Vortex. Disappointing. I agree. I thought that it would make more sense to have post-Mindwarp Peri if the trilogy was going to develop Peri as a character. However, as much as I liked the 2014 Trilogy, I didn't think that The Rani Elite or Masters of Earth developed the character that much anyway and those two adventures could have easily been either side of Mindwarp. It might, however, explain why the relationship between Six and Peri gets better between Season 22 and Season 23 (apart from Grade's insistence that the character is entirely re-written!!) Interesting that Vortex also states that Constance is returning with Sixie, so hopefully that arc is going to be wrapped up.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jun 1, 2019 11:12:27 GMT
Disappointed that it’s not post-Trial, but with it being mentioned by Colin that he was gonna be working with Lisa Greenwood, and Nick Briggs saying that Constance will be back after “some Peri” (presumably that means next year after this trilogy and all these other Peri releases we’ve got coming), I’m hopeful that they’ll follow up on Static next year and hopefully conclude that arc, as really they wrote themselves into a corner with the 2017 Trilogy and the only way you could get more than another trilogy out of that team is if they set it between Quicksilver and The Behemoth.
It’s really a shame about the Older Peri arc, because it’s starting to feel like the ship has sailed. Five years and no resolution.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 12:03:08 GMT
Set between Revelation and Trial according to Vortex. Disappointing. I agree. I thought that it would make more sense to have post-Mindwarp Peri if the trilogy was going to develop Peri as a character. However, as much as I liked the 2014 Trilogy, I didn't think that The Rani Elite or Masters of Earth developed the character that much anyway and those two adventures could have easily been either side of Mindwarp. It might, however, explain why the relationship between Six and Peri gets better between Season 22 and Season 23 (apart from Grade's insistence that the character is entirely re-written!!) Interesting that Vortex also states that Constance is returning with Sixie, so hopefully that arc is going to be wrapped up. I'm glad Constance is coming back, but I don't particularly want that arc to be wrapped up any time soon. I'd like her (and Flip) to have a few more adventures with The Sixth Doctor yet.
Regarding Peri, it seems from reading the article that Big Finish are focused on simply featuring her and The Doctor having more adventures together. Standalone, non-arc adventures. Again, I welcome this. Series arcs became a 'thing' with the post-2005 series, and that's great, but the classic series was always about individual stories. I'm very happy to see them returning to that. Arcs and themes are terrific, and an extra hook for the listener, but sometimes it is good just to sit back and enjoy an adventure for the sake of it, rather that it being part of some bigger picture. Just my modest viewpoint, of course!
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Post by slithe on Jun 2, 2019 8:50:10 GMT
I'm glad Constance is coming back, but I don't particularly want that arc to be wrapped up any time soon. I'd like her (and Flip) to have a few more adventures with The Sixth Doctor yet.
Regarding Peri, it seems from reading the article that Big Finish are focused on simply featuring her and The Doctor having more adventures together. Standalone, non-arc adventures. Again, I welcome this. Series arcs became a 'thing' with the post-2005 series, and that's great, but the classic series was always about individual stories. I'm very happy to see them returning to that. Arcs and themes are terrific, and an extra hook for the listener, but sometimes it is good just to sit back and enjoy an adventure for the sake of it, rather that it being part of some bigger picture. Just my modest viewpoint, of course! I agree that over-arching story arcs are not always great. I think the new series with Whittaker has also moved away from this approach. Most of the Thirteenth Doctor's adventures didn't really tie into any great narrative and could be enjoyed on their own without too much knowledge of earlier plots. In many ways, I applaud Cibnall for 'stripping back' the show a bit and focusing on a more simple approach. I also think his style chimed more with the Hartnell era - the historical stories in particular served as the template of Doctor Who being more of an 'educational series' and the use of Walsh as 'Grandad' is a nice flip of the original TARDIS crew (the Doctor being the 'young girl' this time instead of the older man) and the love interests being a bit younger. I think BF has being going down the road of standalone stories for a while. The 'trilogies' haven't really been that linked for a while (save for a few throwaway lines here and there) and the multi-Doctor ones haven't really fitted together as an arc that well either (perhaps the Master trilogy was the best attempt, but Locum Doctors, Hopkins and Two Parters haven't really worked in my opinion). To be honest, I don't care what BF does so long as the story telling is good. The 'golden era' (for me at least) of BF was in those first 50 stories between 1999-2003. They didn't always get it 'right' and some of the stories are a bit rubbish, but the quality there is really high and many of them are damn good original stories. As BF goes beyond 250 releases, I hope it continues to produce high quality stuff.
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Post by ljwilson on Jun 2, 2019 9:38:07 GMT
Interesting that you think the Golden Era is those first 50. I posted not long ago that I keep going back to Phantasmagoria, Whispers of Terror, Spectre of Lanyon Moor and Sword of Orion. Also Night Thoughts which is not far beyond those first 50.
Not necessarily everyone's best of the MR, or even mine, but I can listen to them over and over again.
Apologies for going slightly off piste.
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 3, 2019 9:10:46 GMT
I'm glad Constance is coming back, but I don't particularly want that arc to be wrapped up any time soon. I'd like her (and Flip) to have a few more adventures with The Sixth Doctor yet.
Regarding Peri, it seems from reading the article that Big Finish are focused on simply featuring her and The Doctor having more adventures together. Standalone, non-arc adventures. Again, I welcome this. Series arcs became a 'thing' with the post-2005 series, and that's great, but the classic series was always about individual stories. I'm very happy to see them returning to that. Arcs and themes are terrific, and an extra hook for the listener, but sometimes it is good just to sit back and enjoy an adventure for the sake of it, rather that it being part of some bigger picture. Just my modest viewpoint, of course! I agree that over-arching story arcs are not always great. I think the new series with Whittaker has also moved away from this approach. Most of the Thirteenth Doctor's adventures didn't really tie into any great narrative and could be enjoyed on their own without too much knowledge of earlier plots. In many ways, I applaud Cibnall for 'stripping back' the show a bit and focusing on a more simple approach. I also think his style chimed more with the Hartnell era - the historical stories in particular served as the template of Doctor Who being more of an 'educational series' and the use of Walsh as 'Grandad' is a nice flip of the original TARDIS crew (the Doctor being the 'young girl' this time instead of the older man) and the love interests being a bit younger. I think BF has being going down the road of standalone stories for a while. The 'trilogies' haven't really been that linked for a while (save for a few throwaway lines here and there) and the multi-Doctor ones haven't really fitted together as an arc that well either (perhaps the Master trilogy was the best attempt, but Locum Doctors, Hopkins and Two Parters haven't really worked in my opinion). To be honest, I don't care what BF does so long as the story telling is good. The 'golden era' (for me at least) of BF was in those first 50 stories between 1999-2003. They didn't always get it 'right' and some of the stories are a bit rubbish, but the quality there is really high and many of them are damn good original stories. As BF goes beyond 250 releases, I hope it continues to produce high quality stuff. I agree MR1-50 was a golden era, but not necessarily that it was the golden era. But it definitely was good.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 3, 2019 19:30:39 GMT
I look at MR 1-50 as the most adventurous era of the range. I think the audios got more consistent as they went along.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 20:06:51 GMT
I look at MR 1-50 as the most adventurous era of the range. They were for sure, and I agree with the person above who said that was the 'golden era' of Big Finish Doctor Who stories. It's true that we've had some great Doctor Who stories since then but nothing has really been as daring as what Gary Russell tried to do in those first fifty adventures, some of them really were groundbreaking.
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Post by slithe on Jun 6, 2019 19:20:42 GMT
I agree MR1-50 was a golden era, but not necessarily that it was the golden era. But it definitely was good. I think the wide variety of opinions and views on what makes great Doctor Who is one of the things that endears me to the programme and its various spin-off material. I think BF have had a very good run and produced some amazing stuff since 1999. I will always have a soft spot for those first 50 as they were, for many years, the closest we were going to get to 'new' Who outside of the printed medium. They were also inventive, creative, well scripted and showed what potential there was for the programme, even after it appeared abandoned and discarded by the BBC. We got to hear 'decent' Colin Baker stories (who would have thought he'd end up being many people's favourite Doctor?) and adventures that were packed with 'guest stars' or rammed with continuity references. It was hardly surprising that BF was going to be successful - initially among fans, then by word of mouth, to others. I might be wrong, but I strongly believe that the success of BF was instrumental in getting the BBC to pay attention to Doctor Who again. The seeds of the revival were sown in those 50 stories and it is clear that Russel T Davies 'borrowed' many ideas from those initial stories - The Apocalypse Element, Jubilee, Spare Parts and Project: Twilight being the most famous examples. BF is still great, but I think the return of TV Adventures has limited the MR a little bit, with some of the more inventive/creative approaches probably being 'borrowed' for the new series rather than being released as part of audio adventures.
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 6, 2019 19:56:09 GMT
I agree MR1-50 was a golden era, but not necessarily that it was the golden era. But it definitely was good. I think the wide variety of opinions and views on what makes great Doctor Who is one of the things that endears me to the programme and its various spin-off material. I think BF have had a very good run and produced some amazing stuff since 1999. I will always have a soft spot for those first 50 as they were, for many years, the closest we were going to get to 'new' Who outside of the printed medium. They were also inventive, creative, well scripted and showed what potential there was for the programme, even after it appeared abandoned and discarded by the BBC. We got to hear 'decent' Colin Baker stories (who would have thought he'd end up being many people's favourite Doctor?) and adventures that were packed with 'guest stars' or rammed with continuity references. It was hardly surprising that BF was going to be successful - initially among fans, then by word of mouth, to others. I might be wrong, but I strongly believe that the success of BF was instrumental in getting the BBC to pay attention to Doctor Who again. The seeds of the revival were sown in those 50 stories and it is clear that Russel T Davies 'borrowed' many ideas from those initial stories - The Apocalypse Element, Jubilee, Spare Parts and Project: Twilight being the most famous examples. BF is still great, but I think the return of TV Adventures has limited the MR a little bit, with some of the more inventive/creative approaches probably being 'borrowed' for the new series rather than being released as part of audio adventures. I agree with you in the most part. however, I still think that BF still has equal, if not better, original ideas and approaches than the TV series (especially if compared to series 11 which I did not dislike per se, but it was just such a glaring step down from my favorite series 10).
Examples- I really loved the recent 10th Doctor Adventure "No Place", I think that was a very fresh take on the presentation and the idea of the Doctor helping the little people.
And I really love all of the recent 8th Doctor box sets, the ongoing story line is on par (and in places even better) than the season-long story lines of the Moffat Era... However, I completely agree, if we only include the Main Range here, then yes, the first 50 were a revelation, I would even extend it to the first 100 since Night Thoughts and the Kingmaker (and the Wormery) are among the best things BF has done.
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