lidar2
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 14, 2020 11:36:33 GMT
According to the website 265 is called The Lovecraft Invasion. & 268 is called The Lost Resort. Interesting, that's not what the site said when I posted that. I'd hazard a guess that 268 as "Last" was a typo on the site, and perhaps the Lovecraft one was the title in a previous draft? Lovecraft could have bee a freudian slip
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Post by fingersmash on Jan 14, 2020 16:44:04 GMT
Interesting, that's not what the site said when I posted that. I'd hazard a guess that 268 as "Last" was a typo on the site, and perhaps the Lovecraft one was the title in a previous draft? Lovecraft could have bee a freudian slip I actually prefer "Problem" over "Invasion". It sparks a far more interesting story in my head.
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ljwilson
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It's tangerine....not orange
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Post by ljwilson on Jan 14, 2020 17:24:25 GMT
Here's a question: If the main range does indeed stop altogether (which I think unlikely) or if the subscription model changes (which I think a bit more likely) how will folks be able to buy The Four Doctors and the Five Companions, which BF have said will never be sold any other way than as a MR subscriber bonus / free gift? They will change their mind. Problem solved!
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 14, 2020 19:15:08 GMT
Here's a question: If the main range does indeed stop altogether (which I think unlikely) or if the subscription model changes (which I think a bit more likely) how will folks be able to buy The Four Doctors and the Five Companions, which BF have said will never be sold any other way than as a MR subscriber bonus / free gift? That depends on the definition of "never".
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Post by cwm on Jan 14, 2020 19:21:30 GMT
Here's a question: If the main range does indeed stop altogether (which I think unlikely) or if the subscription model changes (which I think a bit more likely) how will folks be able to buy The Four Doctors and the Five Companions, which BF have said will never be sold any other way than as a MR subscriber bonus / free gift? They will change their mind. Problem solved! They *can't* change their minds. They promised that both those releases would *only* ever be available with a subscription and would never be placed on general release. Subscriptions were sold on the understanding that they were the only way to get those stories. They would be in breach of the Trade Descriptions Act to make it available any other way. It depends on how the subscription model changes - if you're still able to buy 12 stories for the same price then it comes to the same thing. Even if not, it'll still be available with a retrospective subscription.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 19:29:12 GMT
Here's a question: If the main range does indeed stop altogether (which I think unlikely) or if the subscription model changes (which I think a bit more likely) how will folks be able to buy The Four Doctors and the Five Companions, which BF have said will never be sold any other way than as a MR subscriber bonus / free gift? That depends on the definition of "never". Hmmm, normally I'd agree but the question of making those two available without subbing has come up many, many times for years in Vortex, emails, Q&As and there's never been anything but a firm "not gonna happen" from BF.
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Post by Digi on Jan 14, 2020 20:11:58 GMT
They will change their mind. Problem solved! They *can't* change their minds. They promised that both those releases would *only* ever be available with a subscription and would never be placed on general release. Subscriptions were sold on the understanding that they were the only way to get those stories. They would be in breach of the Trade Descriptions Act to make it available any other way. Of course they can change their minds, and no they wouldn't by in violation of law lol The Trade Descriptions Act governs false advertising. At the time of release, Big Finish said they weren't for sale any other way than subscription. That was true then. They've said many times in the intervening years that they're not making it for sale, and so far as we or anybody else knows, they've said so in good faith because they've had no intention of selling those items separately. That has been the truth for years, and it remains truthful now. A year from now they could be forced by business needs to to radically change their sales model on the Monthly Range and allow sales of those items. That doesn't make the past assertions false advertising.
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Post by slithe on Jan 14, 2020 20:15:29 GMT
So, we've got the next 9 titles... On the one hand, this is great as it shows that the MR is set to continue for the majority of this year... On the other hand, they are just titles - nothing more.
I get the feeing that BF want to play their cards close to their chests with these. Releasing everything en masse is probably not going to drive interest. Waiting to see what happens and what is revealed is a much better approach.
Reports of the 'demise' of the MR are probably exaggerated. I'd imagine, God forbid, that we see the actual TV series rested before the MR stops...
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Post by Digi on Jan 14, 2020 20:30:01 GMT
Reports of the 'demise' of the MR are probably exaggerated. I'd imagine, God forbid, that we see the actual TV series rested before the MR stops... Not to be morbid, but I'm curious whether the long-mooted shift to box sets might actually be a way of future-proofing against when we finally lose one of the Doctors to old age. Easier to balance a few four-part box sets per year than to try to re-align a 13-release-per-year range around two actors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 20:47:14 GMT
Of course they can change their minds, and no they wouldn't by in violation of law. [...] A year from now they could be forced by business needs to to radically change their sales model on the Monthly Range and allow sales of those items. That doesn't make the past assertions false advertising. In a way I wish they would just put them up for sale, just to stop the same things being said every time the issue crops up!
However, I'd see the keeping of those two subscriber bonuses exclusively for purchasers of some sort of subscription from Big Finish as more a matter of good faith between a company and it's customers as opposed to Big Finish worrying about the Trade Description Act.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 14, 2020 21:02:43 GMT
Reports of the 'demise' of the MR are probably exaggerated. I'd imagine, God forbid, that we see the actual TV series rested before the MR stops... Not to be morbid, but I'm curious whether the long-mooted shift to box sets might actually be a way of future-proofing against when we finally lose one of the Doctors to old age. Easier to balance a few four-part box sets per year than to try to re-align a 13-release-per-year range around two actors. It isn't morbid, it is acknowledging the reality of the situation. Wasn't there word from the last six months or so that BF was starting to bank stories with the Main Range Doctors like they have been doing with Tom? You are right, the MR becomes something very different if anything happens to 5, 6 or 7. Everyone knows Big Finish loves Doctor Who and that they love the actors they have been working with for over 2 decades but they also have business concerns. There needs to be a plan. Look at Blake's 7 for what happens when the license you are paying for loses its two main protagonists and its primary antagonist in the span of a few years. Anyway, I know this is an uncomfortable discussion for some people but on Big Finish's end it is one that has probably been going on for some time.
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Post by polly on Jan 14, 2020 21:29:43 GMT
Not to be morbid, but I'm curious whether the long-mooted shift to box sets might actually be a way of future-proofing against when we finally lose one of the Doctors to old age. Easier to balance a few four-part box sets per year than to try to re-align a 13-release-per-year range around two actors. It isn't morbid, it is acknowledging the reality of the situation. Wasn't there word from the last six months or so that BF was starting to bank stories with the Main Range Doctors like they have been doing with Tom? You are right, the MR becomes something very different if anything happens to 5, 6 or 7. Everyone knows Big Finish loves Doctor Who and that they love the actors they have been working with for over 2 decades but they also have business concerns. There needs to be a plan. Look at Blake's 7 for what happens when the license you are paying for loses its two main protagonists and its primary antagonist in the span of a few years. Anyway, I know this is an uncomfortable discussion for some people but on Big Finish's end it is one that has probably been going on for some time. Agreed, it's very much a realistic concern for the Main Range Doctors at this point. I don't recall any announcement or news story in particular, but they must have some kind of banking or futureproofing in mind given they make what I assume would be the majority of their money on aging stars. It just wouldn't make sense otherwise. I suspect for the same reason this is why we've seen more recasts cropping up over time in the Doctors 1-3 ranges, ironing out what the process for that is and if fans will take to it. Because sooner or later, that may be the same fix we're in for one or more of 4+. Regardless of our own feelings on the matter Big Finish would stand to lose a lot of product should anything happen to Peter, Colin, or Sylv. Especially if, heaven forbid, it happened to more than one in quick succession. The New Series crew likely won't become available fast enough to replace this hypothetical hole left by the Classic actors. So yeah, it makes sense to me that maybe fragmenting things would make that unfortunate process easier. I hope it's not something that comes to pass for many years yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 21:46:22 GMT
It doesn't even need to be as morbid as what we're all skirting around - one of them could just retire. The youngster of the Main Range is Davison and he's nearly 70! I'd imagine BF gives them some nice pension top ups but no-one is getting rich out of it. Colin, I think, has already said he's effectively retired from the stage unless it's panto that isn't touring, and even then I don't think he's done it in 5 or 6 years.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 14, 2020 21:48:47 GMT
So assuming the October-December trilogy is McCoy's, and assuming the Main Range is switching it box sets after #275 in March 2021, then the big question is who gets the final trilogy?
Will it be Colin, or will it go out with one last three Doctors trilogy? Obviously there isn't any guarantee that the change is coming after #275. Only a theory that happens to fit the current facts.
I feel like if 275 really is the end of the Main Range - and we'll just have to wait and see - they'd have to end it on a multi-Doctor, wouldn't they? What about doing a kind of Best Of trilogy? 273. Six, Constance and Flip start off a story... 274. Seven, Ace and Hex deal with the consequences... 275. Then Five, Nyssa, Tegan and Marc finish off the tale in an adventure where they meet the Eighth Doctor and Charley! Throw D.I. Menzies and the Forge in there and we just might have something! How about the “final” trilogy being with the Eighth Doctor and Charley!? Storm Warning was released January 2001, so it would be their 20th Anniversary!
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 14, 2020 21:58:29 GMT
I feel like if 275 really is the end of the Main Range - and we'll just have to wait and see - they'd have to end it on a multi-Doctor, wouldn't they? What about doing a kind of Best Of trilogy? 273. Six, Constance and Flip start off a story... 274. Seven, Ace and Hex deal with the consequences... 275. Then Five, Nyssa, Tegan and Marc finish off the tale in an adventure where they meet the Eighth Doctor and Charley! Throw D.I. Menzies and the Forge in there and we just might have something! How about the “final” trilogy being with the Eighth Doctor and Charley!? Storm Warning was released January 2001, so it would be their 20th Anniversary! Just imagine...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:06:14 GMT
How about the “final” trilogy being with the Eighth Doctor and Charley!? If we're talking about the MR I don't like the word final!!!
Although I'd certainly be up for some more Eight & Charley adventures one day, be they slotted in 'missing adventures' from the Storm Warning era or new stories after Charley's return to 'her' Doctor... although that would mean a loose end being tied up.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 14, 2020 23:57:00 GMT
How about the “final” trilogy being with the Eighth Doctor and Charley!? If we're talking about the MR I don't like the word final!!!
Although I'd certainly be up for some more Eight & Charley adventures one day, be they slotted in 'missing adventures' from the Storm Warning era or new stories after Charley's return to 'her' Doctor... although that would mean a loose end being tied up.
Anyway Briggs has already said the 8th Doc Charley resolution will be in the "3rd and Final" Charlotte Pollard Boxset (whenever that is ) Regards mark687
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Post by frisby78 on Jan 15, 2020 0:23:54 GMT
If we're talking about the MR I don't like the word final!!!
Although I'd certainly be up for some more Eight & Charley adventures one day, be they slotted in 'missing adventures' from the Storm Warning era or new stories after Charley's return to 'her' Doctor... although that would mean a loose end being tied up.
Anyway Briggs has already said the 8th Doc Charley resolution will be in the "3rd and Final" Charlotte Pollard Boxset (whenever that is ) Regards mark687 Release date approximately 2037...
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Post by number13 on Jan 15, 2020 0:33:15 GMT
Here's a question: If the main range does indeed stop altogether (which I think unlikely) or if the subscription model changes (which I think a bit more likely) how will folks be able to buy The Four Doctors and the Five Companions, which BF have said will never be sold any other way than as a MR subscriber bonus / free gift? BF could always offer them as free gifts with the purchase of some other bundle of 5/6/7 stories even if the MR in its present form ends?
I don't want the MR to end in its current form, but for example, suppose they move to X boxsets a year with the 3 MR Doctors and offer a bundle deal each year - as they did for Wells / Originals. Then if you order the annual bundle of all X sets, you still get your free £10.99 release as now - or one of the two specials. (Just for example; lots of other possibilities.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 0:55:31 GMT
Although I'd certainly be up for some more Eight & Charley adventures one day. Anyway Briggs has already said the 8th Doc Charley resolution will be in the "3rd and Final" Charlotte Pollard Boxset (whenever that is ) I won't hold my breath! Although I probably won't be buying any 3'rd Charley Pollard box set anyway. I thought the first one was decidedly average so I never bothered with the second one. (I don't think I missed much!) I prefer companions to be in adventures with Doctors, not off doing their own thing. But Charley and Eight again might be interesting to hear if it's not just one decent story drawn out over four discs.
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