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Post by shallacatop on Jan 22, 2018 22:44:30 GMT
I think the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles set has the potential to be something a bit more exciting and mad. You’ve got Strax, Vastra, River, Churchill, Kazran, Kate and Osgood to choose from based entirely on those actors who have worked with Big Finish as those characters. There’s also Brian, Riddell and Nefertiti, Dorium and Handles who you could realistically get good and justified material out of. Lots of good ideas and suggestions of characters without the obvious loss of Amy, Rory and Clara.
Whilst I find the cast for the Tenth Doctor set lacklustre, I think they’ve done well to represent his era. The Eleventh Doctor set I really think they’ve got the potential to represent his era and have a good lineup.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 22:50:32 GMT
I think the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles set has the potential to be something a bit more exciting and mad. You’ve got Strax, Vastra, River, Churchill, Kazran, Kate and Osgood to choose from based entirely on those actors who have worked with Big Finish as those characters. There’s also Brian, Riddell and Nefertiti, Dorium and Handles who you could realistically get good and justified material out of. Lots of good ideas and suggestions of characters without the obvious loss of Amy, Rory and Clara. Whilst I find the cast for the Tenth Doctor set lacklustre, I think they’ve done well to represent his era. The Eleventh Doctor set I really think they’ve got the potential to represent his era and have a good lineup. While I don't agree with you about the Tenth Doctor set, I wonder if Big Finish might follow up on Colonel Manton?
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Post by Shiny on Jan 22, 2018 23:07:05 GMT
While I did have my hopes unrealistically high for Wilfred, I'll take this too. Sylvia is an unsurprising but welcome appearance and Christina is an interesting surprise. I wonder which episode the Slitheen will be in.
Now, here's hoping for Dorium and Brian in the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 22, 2018 23:21:41 GMT
Honestly, I'd love Big Finish to do a Francine Jones story . I really loved Francine Jones - a complicated woman trying to get her life back after divorce and certiantly not being her best self doing so (her attiude towards Martha being neutral in all things family) whose life goes to hell. The Doctor's life invading her world again and her chance to finally get it out with him in regards to the way he treated her daughter and the impact he's had on her life, The Master and The Year That Never Was. I just find Francine Jones the same as Sylvia. Just a watered down Jackie Tyler. "We can no longer have Jackie as she's in Pete's World, so we'll introduce the same character but with a different name". RTD was a great showrunner but his only strong mother character was Jackie Tyler IMO.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 22, 2018 23:33:33 GMT
While I did have my hopes unrealistically high for Wilfred, I'll take this too. Sylvia is an unsurprising but welcome appearance and Christina is an interesting surprise. I wonder which episode the Slitheen will be in. Now, here's hoping for Dorium and Brian in the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles. I think Brian Williams and Handles would be the best choices. That way you're representing 11's entire era.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 23:57:30 GMT
Honestly, I'd love Big Finish to do a Francine Jones story . I really loved Francine Jones - a complicated woman trying to get her life back after divorce and certiantly not being her best self doing so (her attiude towards Martha being neutral in all things family) whose life goes to hell. The Doctor's life invading her world again and her chance to finally get it out with him in regards to the way he treated her daughter and the impact he's had on her life, The Master and The Year That Never Was. I just find Francine Jones the same as Sylvia. Just a watered down Jackie Tyler. "We can no longer have Jackie as she's in Pete's World, so we'll introduce the same character but with a different name". RTD was a great showrunner but his only strong mother character was Jackie Tyler IMO. I can't agree, I found them all really distinct characters
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 23, 2018 0:31:52 GMT
I just find Francine Jones the same as Sylvia. Just a watered down Jackie Tyler. "We can no longer have Jackie as she's in Pete's World, so we'll introduce the same character but with a different name". RTD was a great showrunner but his only strong mother character was Jackie Tyler IMO. I can't agree, I found them all really distinct characters I agree with Michael. Outside of both characters being women and mothers and British, I don't think there are a lot of things in common with Jackie & Sylvia.
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Post by bobod on Jan 23, 2018 1:10:45 GMT
Short of both being the companions mum, Jackie and Sylvia's similarities are... No...hang on...I'll think of one in a minute.
They're nothing alike.
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Post by xlozdob on Jan 23, 2018 2:14:42 GMT
Short of both being the companions mum, Jackie and Sylvia's similarities are... No...hang on...I'll think of one in a minute. They're nothing alike. They're both blond? That's the only other one I can think of.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 10:43:47 GMT
I can't agree, I found them all really distinct characters I agree with Michael. Outside of both characters being women and mothers and British, I don't think there are a lot of things in common with Jackie & Sylvia. They both hate the Doctor, are unsupportive of their daughters, disapprove of their decisions to travel with the Doctor and react in a furious manner towards him. This applies to Francine too.
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Post by omega on Jan 23, 2018 10:51:20 GMT
I agree with Michael. Outside of both characters being women and mothers and British, I don't think there are a lot of things in common with Jackie & Sylvia. They both hate the Doctor, are unsupportive of their daughters, disapprove of their decisions to travel with the Doctor and react in a furious manner towards him. This applies to Francine too. Both are lower class (there's only one car between Sylvia, Donna and Wilf, and Sylvia mentions coupons in Sontaran Stratagem), and and lost their husbands (Pete and Geoff, the latter was said to have died between Runaway Bride and Series 4, his absence and the impact is a part of the novel Beautiful Chaos).
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 23, 2018 11:25:42 GMT
Jackie was completely supportive of Rose and always wanted her to do well, there wasn’t a moment where Jackie wasn’t on her daughter’s side. Jackie didn’t like the Doctor at first because he’d gone off with her daughter for 12 months, but she grew to love him.
Francine was going through a difficult time following her divorce and she was bitter about Martha not taking her side but still ultimately wanted to see her daughter succeed and felt like the Doctor was a danger to her, so her attitude is understandable as a protective mother.
Sylvia was pretty harsh on Donna, and had massive expectations, but she grew as a person over time, and she was struggling with the death of her husband while also taking care of her elderly father and grown up daughter.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 11:27:57 GMT
They both hate the Doctor, are unsupportive of their daughters, disapprove of their decisions to travel with the Doctor and react in a furious manner towards him. This applies to Francine too. Both are lower class (there's only one car between Sylvia, Donna and Wilf, and Sylvia mentions coupons in Sontaran Stratagem), and and lost their husbands (Pete and Geoff, the latter was said to have died between Runaway Bride and Series 4, his absence and the impact is a part of the novel Beautiful Chaos). Jackie and Francine both had no problems with slapping the Doctor too. I think I'm right in saying Sylvia never did, but it also always felt like as with Jackie and Francine she was shown to be considered a clueless idiot by the Doctor who can't be trusted to do anything right like their amazing daughters (and Donna's amazing granddad). I'm glad Big Finish are continuing to go against that trend and showing the mothers as being as capable as their daughters.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 11:40:17 GMT
Jackie was completely supportive of Rose and always wanted her to do well, there wasn’t a moment where Jackie wasn’t on her daughter’s side. Jackie didn’t like the Doctor at first because he’d gone off with her daughter for 12 months, but she grew to love him. I don't think Jackie was that supportive really. She was a little unhappy with Rose working at Henrik's department store, and seemed more bothered about Rose getting fame through tabloid paper interviews than the fact she'd just lost her job when the Doctor blew her workplace up. Jackie is a very likeable character but let's not pretend she was always there for Rose. It took until Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways before she finally accepted Rose's decision to travel with the Doctor and stood by her side. It took Rose an entire speech over fish and chips at the chippy to convince them that she needed to return to the Doctor. True, but she never felt supportive of Martha to me. It felt like the other mothers she always had a bone to pick with her daughter's choices. She never stood out as a character to me. Came across as the same one we'd had twice before at this point.
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Post by bobod on Jan 23, 2018 17:15:40 GMT
I agree with Michael. Outside of both characters being women and mothers and British, I don't think there are a lot of things in common with Jackie & Sylvia. They both hate the Doctor, are unsupportive of their daughters, disapprove of their decisions to travel with the Doctor and react in a furious manner towards him. This applies to Francine too. No they don't. No they aren't. At times, yes. Again - at times, yes. And only some of it does.
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Post by bobod on Jan 23, 2018 17:19:21 GMT
They both hate the Doctor, are unsupportive of their daughters, disapprove of their decisions to travel with the Doctor and react in a furious manner towards him. This applies to Francine too. Both are lower class (there's only one car between Sylvia, Donna and Wilf, and Sylvia mentions coupons in Sontaran Stratagem), and and lost their husbands (Pete and Geoff, the latter was said to have died between Runaway Bride and Series 4, his absence and the impact is a part of the novel Beautiful Chaos). Is this an Southern Hemisphere usage of 'lower class'? If so, be wary of using it to any working class or lower middle class Brits you meet. I'll give you that they're both widowed. In very different circumstances. And at a very different time of life.
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Post by number13 on Jan 23, 2018 18:21:07 GMT
They both hate the Doctor, are unsupportive of their daughters, disapprove of their decisions to travel with the Doctor and react in a furious manner towards him. This applies to Francine too. Both are lower class (there's only one car between Sylvia, Donna and Wilf, and Sylvia mentions coupons in Sontaran Stratagem), and and lost their husbands (Pete and Geoff, the latter was said to have died between Runaway Bride and Series 4, his absence and the impact is a part of the novel Beautiful Chaos). Both families live in relative luxury compared with my maternal grandparents who brought their children up during the Great Depression. And they certainly wouldn't have welcomed being called 'lower' class even that long ago. They were very hard-working people - when there was any work. Nothing 'lower' about them, or their community. They were just very hard up. Working class is the term in the U.K. - although now most people expect to have a job (those people who are able to, of course) that term is starting to seem similiarly outdated. Also, in the U.K. 'coupons' are possibly being collected for a retailer's bonus scheme rather than being a form of social security - though I can't remember the context of 'The Sontaran Stratagem'. Jackie Tyler is an unforgettable force of nature! By contrast I couldn't even remember Donna's mother's name - it's granddad Wilf who made the impression on me from that era. (Wonderful Bernard Cribbins!)
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 23, 2018 19:39:25 GMT
Both families live in relative luxury compared with my maternal grandparents who brought their children up during the Great Depression. And they certainly wouldn't have welcomed being called 'lower' class even that long ago. They were very hard-working people - when there was any work. Nothing 'lower' about them, or their community. They were just very hard up. I'm going to take a wild guess from the sound of it that in the UK the phrase must have taken on some pejorative connotation that probably isn't being intended by posters elsewhere. Can we all call a truce then? Jackie Tyler is an unforgettable force of nature! By contrast I couldn't even remember Donna's mother's name - it's granddad Wilf who made the impression on me from that era. (Wonderful Bernard Cribbins!) Not to marginalize Sylvia here but I admit it's Jackie and Wilf who made the biggest impressions on me also.
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Post by number13 on Jan 23, 2018 20:52:38 GMT
Both families live in relative luxury compared with my maternal grandparents who brought their children up during the Great Depression. And they certainly wouldn't have welcomed being called 'lower' class even that long ago. They were very hard-working people - when there was any work. Nothing 'lower' about them, or their community. They were just very hard up. I'm going to take a wild guess from the sound of it that in the UK the phrase must have taken on some pejorative connotation that probably isn't being intended by posters elsewhere. Can we all call a truce then? Yes, sorry everyone and especially omega , that post came out stronger than I intended and ended up being rude. Sorry. In the U.K. the phrase does imply being 'looked down on' by people of 'higher' class and it wouldn't be used now. Probably other countries don't have the same hang-ups about 'class' as the U.K. and so it doesn't carry the same negative connotations.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 23:32:46 GMT
They both hate the Doctor, are unsupportive of their daughters, disapprove of their decisions to travel with the Doctor and react in a furious manner towards him. This applies to Francine too. No they don't. No they aren't. At times, yes. Again - at times, yes. And only some of it does. What do you mean 'no they don't'? They are shown countless times to hate the Doctor! I totally saw them as unsupportive of their daughters, and I'm shocked people on here think they weren't.
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