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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 8, 2017 16:57:55 GMT
Outside of a truly terrible second episode, it wasn't a bad series.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 8, 2017 17:14:10 GMT
The announcement of the show was badly handled; there was no real attempt to get people to watch; the first episode was dreadful.
By the time they got to the end, by which time the quality of material had considerably improved, practically nobody cared. I'd love it if the main show picked up that big plot twist from the last five minutes of the last episode - they could even deal with it without actually including any of the cast of 'Class' - but I'd be surprised if they did. I wouldn't expect BF to take an interest, either (there's enough people blowing hot and cold over the Doctor's Daughter for them to want to take another big risk) unless it formed part of a The Whatever-Number-We-Reckon-Peter-Capaldi-Was Doctor Adventures, and he's just claimed he'll probably never return to the role. I wonder if Jake Dudman can do a Capaldi impersonation?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 8, 2017 17:34:59 GMT
And I felt like the Shadow Kin were a pretty interesting race of baddies that I would not mind BF picking up the rights to and using.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 8, 2017 17:46:34 GMT
I'm not surprised. I really enjoyed the series for the most part (Certainly more than the first two series of Torchwood!) and I'm sorry we'll probably never see that cliffhanger resolved. The series might have started a bit rough, but "The Metaphysical Engine" was incredible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 18:51:26 GMT
I'm not surprised. I really enjoyed the series for the most part (Certainly more than the first two series of Torchwood!) and I'm sorry we'll probably never see that cliffhanger resolved. The series might have started a bit rough, but "The Metaphysical Engine" was incredible. The Metaphysical Engine is the Best Episode™ by a country mile.
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Post by doomlord on Sept 8, 2017 19:37:59 GMT
Lack of a proper channel to platform it was a huge factor too. Such a shame that the BBC Three channel was shut down, even though I was outside their catchment age, I did find that it offered a wonderful alternative and sometimes edgier presentation of programmes. It was the springboard for many new writers and acting talent (aged 15 to 35) wanting to break into mainstream television from comedy to documentary but now that platform to showcase on a wider scope has been taken away. At one time there could be a dozen or more new writing talent (as well as established writers) comedies coming out within one year that felt really fresh, such as Little Britain, How Not To Live Your Life, Nighty Night, The Smoking Room, Ideal, The Mighty Boosh, Mongrels, Pramface, Cuckoo, Gavin & Stacey, etc. All of which I feel would never had a chance or look-in if they relied on BBC2 to give them a try-out. Same goes for their drama and documentaries output, as shows like Being Human, The Fades, and Doctor Who Confidential, too niche perhaps for the two main BBC channels and wouldn't have got their chance without BBC Three. What was sad was actually hearing and reading online from Three's demographic age group actually advocating the removal of the channel from broadcast because they weren't interested in TV aimed at them or any sort of gateway for them to actually get into the business. If it was hard before trying to get one's foot in the door, it'll certainly be a lot harder now due to the extremely reduced content relegated to being online. A classic case of they don't know they're born or what's good for them, came to mind. My problem with BBC3 as a channel was that a lot of the content was tacky reality rubbish. If they had focused more on dramas and comedies it would have been great, but shows like Don't Tell The Bride and Snog Marry Avoid felt like a waste of the license fee. BBC3 Online could have been a good idea, had they been using it more like a streaming service akin to Netflix or Amazon Prime. At the moment it feels too much like an extension of BBC iPlayer rather than what should have effectively been an online channel. I'm beginning to think now that they should have kept BBC3 on TV, scrapped all the reality rubbish and kept it purely YA drama and comedy. Well I'm afraid that just highlights your infrequent visits to BBC Three if you thought that a lot [most] of its content was 'tacky reality rubbish'. I recall you didn't even tune in to BBC Three to watch Captain Jack in Torchwood. You do the channel an injustice as it had no more and no less reality programmes than ITV or Channel Four would run in one week. The balance on an average BBC Three day echoed those of independent television. You probably saw a trailer or two of Don't Tell the Bride and Snog/M/A in between DW:Confidential and mentally made the strong decision to avoid them as they looked rubbish to you, they stuck in your head and so, apart from Confidential, BBC Three's other image means 'reality rubbish' to you. Of course, you'd be utterly wrong to think that. Bride and S/M/A weren't my types of programmes either, so I avoided them too but I can tell you since the station's relatively short life I had watched hours and hours of programming that could easily fill a whole month's worth of airtime viewing for me, and I was outside their initial demographic. Not all reality was 'tacky rubbish' either, reality stuff such as The Real Hustle, Junior Doctors, The Apprentice: You're Fired!, Bizarre ER, Fame Academy, The station focused just as much on drama, comedies and documentaries, many hard-hitting and award-winning documentaries at that too and each genre was spread out evenly in an average week, such as Blood, Sweat and T-Shirts, Life and Death Row, and other documentaries by Stacy Dooley, or Growing Up Down's, The Autistic Me, Storm Chasers, Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur. Many documentaries dealt with body matters, eating disorders, etc. aimed at the young adult whom perhaps shared or suffered the the same causes but perhaps until broadcast, felt isolated in such circumstances. I'd say the channel is more associated with award winning dramas and comedies more so than any reality programmes. Awarded dramas such as Casanova, In The Flesh, Our War, Thirteen, Our World War, Murdered By My Boyfriend, Being Human, The Fades, Little Britain, Monkey Dust, Lunch Monkeys, High Spirits with Shirley Ghostman, Gavin & Stacey, People Just Do Nothing, Cuckoo, Him & Her, Nighty Night, Bad Education, Uncle, Fleabag, Pram Face, Smoking Room, Two Pint of Lager, Josh, Lee Nelson's Well Good Show, Mongrels, Ideal. etc. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of any other Three's reality shows other than the ones I've mentioned. Listing loads of their drama and comedies comes easy because they were worth watching. So the the real problem isn't Three's content, the problem was that you didn't tune in often enough (heck, I'd go as far as that you didn't even look at their listings prior) to find its diversity.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 8, 2017 19:58:15 GMT
My problem with BBC3 as a channel was that a lot of the content was tacky reality rubbish. If they had focused more on dramas and comedies it would have been great, but shows like Don't Tell The Bride and Snog Marry Avoid felt like a waste of the license fee. BBC3 Online could have been a good idea, had they been using it more like a streaming service akin to Netflix or Amazon Prime. At the moment it feels too much like an extension of BBC iPlayer rather than what should have effectively been an online channel. I'm beginning to think now that they should have kept BBC3 on TV, scrapped all the reality rubbish and kept it purely YA drama and comedy. Well I'm afraid that just highlights your infrequent visits to BBC Three if you thought that a lot [most] of its content was 'tacky reality rubbish'. I recall you didn't even tune in to BBC Three to watch Captain Jack in Torchwood. You do the channel an injustice as it had no more and no less reality programmes than ITV or Channel Four would run in one week. The balance on an average BBC Three day echoed those of independent television. You probably saw a trailer or two of Don't Tell the Bride and Snog/M/A in between DW:Confidential and mentally made the strong decision to avoid them as they looked rubbish to you, they stuck in your head and so, apart from Confidential, BBC Three's other image means 'reality rubbish' to you. Of course, you'd be utterly wrong to think that. Bride and S/M/A weren't my types of programmes either, so I avoided them too but I can tell you since the station's relatively short life I had watched hours and hours of programming that could easily fill a whole month's worth of airtime viewing for me, and I was outside their initial demographic. Not all reality was 'tacky rubbish' either, reality stuff such as The Real Hustle, Junior Doctors, The Apprentice: You're Fired!, Bizarre ER, Fame Academy, The station focused just as much on drama, comedies and documentaries, many hard-hitting and award-winning documentaries at that too and each genre was spread out evenly in an average week, such as Blood, Sweat and T-Shirts, Life and Death Row, and other documentaries by Stacy Dooley, or Growing Up Down's, The Autistic Me, Storm Chasers, Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur. Many documentaries dealt with body matters, eating disorders, etc. aimed at the young adult whom perhaps shared or suffered the the same causes but perhaps until broadcast, felt isolated in such circumstances. I'd say the channel is more associated with award winning dramas and comedies more so than any reality programmes, such as Casanova, In The Flesh, Our War, Thirteen, Our World War, Murdered By My Boyfriend, Being Human, The Fades, Little Britain, Monkey Dust, Lunch Monkeys, High Spirits with Shirley Ghostman, Gavin & Stacey, People Just Do Nothing, Cuckoo, Him & Her, Nighty Night, Bad Education, Uncle, Fleabag, Pram Face, Smoking Room, Two Pint of Lager, Josh, Lee Nelson's Well Good Show, Mongrels, Ideal. etc. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of any other Three's reality shows other than the ones I've mentioned. Listing loads of their drama and comedies comes easy because they were worth watching. So the the real problem isn't Three's content, the problem was that you didn't tune in often enough to find its diversity. The Apprentice: You're Fired was the only decent reality show on BBC3, and that was a spinoff of the hilarious reality business show The Apprentice. A reality show so good that it quickly moved to BBC2. The only reason why I didn't watch Torchwood is because my parents wouldn't let me. The one time I did - when it was on BBC1 and it was Miracle Day - a friend of the family (I told you this before) stuck his nose in and told my parents it featured a lot of gruesome scenes. I was 15 so I would have been alright anyway, which makes it all the more annoying. As for reality shows, personally I don't ever remember turning over to BBC3 and there not being reality rubbish on. That might just be me, but to me there seemed to be way more reality shows on BBC3 than on C4.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Sept 8, 2017 23:35:28 GMT
I always felt that Class wasn't a Who spin off, any more than Millennium was an X-Files spin off, they shared a universe. Yes, 12 appeared, but he didn't appear to visit his old friends that he had met and mentored in his own show, like the Sarah Jane material, he appeared in someone else's show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 7:06:38 GMT
Awful spin off show, pure shambolic bafflegab.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 9, 2017 8:15:38 GMT
unless it formed part of a The Whatever-Number-We-Reckon-Peter-Capaldi-Was Doctor Adventures, and he's just claimed he'll probably never return to the role. I wonder if Jake Dudman can do a Capaldi impersonation? They always say that. Peter Capaldi will return. He's a Whovian.
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Post by aztec on Sept 9, 2017 8:58:44 GMT
unless it formed part of a The Whatever-Number-We-Reckon-Peter-Capaldi-Was Doctor Adventures, and he's just claimed he'll probably never return to the role. I wonder if Jake Dudman can do a Capaldi impersonation? They always say that. Peter Capaldi will return. He's a Whovian.Here we go again...
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Post by aztec on Sept 9, 2017 8:59:50 GMT
Awful spin off show, pure shambolic bafflegab. Ironically, if that was its title I might have actually been intrigued enough to watch it...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 9, 2017 8:59:52 GMT
They always say that. Peter Capaldi will return. He's a Whovian.Here we go again... I'm not saying he'll return immediately, but I think there's a 90% chance Peter Capaldi will do Big Finish in a decade's time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 9:00:59 GMT
They always say that. Peter Capaldi will return. He's a Whovian.Here we go again... I'm always confused about this. Is this in the same vein how fans of Star Trek are Trek kers, not Trek kies?
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Post by aztec on Sept 9, 2017 9:01:15 GMT
I'm very sad that no one seems to have gone for a "Class Dismissed" punchline yet. Well that wouldn't be a very classy joke would it? (I'll get my coat...)
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Post by doomlord on Sept 9, 2017 13:08:46 GMT
I'm always confused about this. Is this in the same vein how fans of Star Trek are Trek kers, not Trek kies? No, I think it's more in tune with labelling. The term Whovian is also seen by many as being quite derogatory, especially by the media when it comes to explaining, or rather mocking one's interest for a hobby / passion they know very little about. Keep it classy (see what I did there?). Doctor Who fan. Zygon Curry blog explains it better that me >> www.zygoncurry.com/spicy/2013/07/23/i-am-not-a-whovian/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 13:22:05 GMT
I'm always confused about this. Is this in the same vein how fans of Star Trek are Trek kers, not Trek kies? No, I think it's more in tune with labelling. The term Whovian is also seen by many as being quite derogatory, especially by the media when it comes to explaining, or rather mocking one's interest for a hobby / passion they know very little about. Keep it classy (see what I did there?). Doctor Who fan. Zygon Curry blog explains it better that me >> www.zygoncurry.com/spicy/2013/07/23/i-am-not-a-whovian/Ahhh, it's precisely what the term "Trekkie" is about. It's not a name adopted by a particular fandom, but for a particular fandom. To a 'T', where it's associated with a culture of shaming. Pity. "Doctor Who fan" feels like such a bland moniker, I'd much prefer an in-joke. Shobogans, for example.
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Post by doomlord on Sept 9, 2017 15:02:28 GMT
Well I'm afraid that just highlights your infrequent visits to BBC Three if you thought that a lot [most] of its content was 'tacky reality rubbish'. I recall you didn't even tune in to BBC Three to watch Captain Jack in Torchwood. You do the channel an injustice as it had no more and no less reality programmes than ITV or Channel Four would run in one week. The balance on an average BBC Three day echoed those of independent television. You probably saw a trailer or two of Don't Tell the Bride and Snog/M/A in between DW:Confidential and mentally made the strong decision to avoid them as they looked rubbish to you, they stuck in your head and so, apart from Confidential, BBC Three's other image means 'reality rubbish' to you. Of course, you'd be utterly wrong to think that. Bride and S/M/A weren't my types of programmes either, so I avoided them too but I can tell you since the station's relatively short life I had watched hours and hours of programming that could easily fill a whole month's worth of airtime viewing for me, and I was outside their initial demographic. Not all reality was 'tacky rubbish' either, reality stuff such as The Real Hustle, Junior Doctors, The Apprentice: You're Fired!, Bizarre ER, Fame Academy, The station focused just as much on drama, comedies and documentaries, many hard-hitting and award-winning documentaries at that too and each genre was spread out evenly in an average week, such as Blood, Sweat and T-Shirts, Life and Death Row, and other documentaries by Stacy Dooley, or Growing Up Down's, The Autistic Me, Storm Chasers, Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur. Many documentaries dealt with body matters, eating disorders, etc. aimed at the young adult whom perhaps shared or suffered the the same causes but perhaps until broadcast, felt isolated in such circumstances. I'd say the channel is more associated with award winning dramas and comedies more so than any reality programmes, such as Casanova, In The Flesh, Our War, Thirteen, Our World War, Murdered By My Boyfriend, Being Human, The Fades, Little Britain, Monkey Dust, Lunch Monkeys, High Spirits with Shirley Ghostman, Gavin & Stacey, People Just Do Nothing, Cuckoo, Him & Her, Nighty Night, Bad Education, Uncle, Fleabag, Pram Face, Smoking Room, Two Pint of Lager, Josh, Lee Nelson's Well Good Show, Mongrels, Ideal. etc. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of any other Three's reality shows other than the ones I've mentioned. Listing loads of their drama and comedies comes easy because they were worth watching. So the the real problem isn't Three's content, the problem was that you didn't tune in often enough to find its diversity. The Apprentice: You're Fired was the only decent reality show on BBC3, and that was a spinoff of the hilarious reality business show The Apprentice. A reality show so good that it quickly moved to BBC2. The only reason why I didn't watch Torchwood is because my parents wouldn't let me. The one time I did - when it was on BBC1 and it was Miracle Day - a friend of the family (I told you this before) stuck his nose in and told my parents it featured a lot of gruesome scenes. I was 15 so I would have been alright anyway, which makes it all the more annoying. As for reality shows, personally I don't ever remember turning over to BBC3 and there not being reality rubbish on. That might just be me, but to me there seemed to be way more reality shows on BBC3 than on C4. What you mean to say is that You're Fired! was one of the very few that you happened to watch because you enjoyed the parent show on BBC1. Without Three, You're Fired! probably wouldn't have happened as the channel seemed to be good springboard at creating sister shows. As with all programmes that gain a lot of momentum on a particular channel that usually has fewer viewership as a whole, many shows get 'promoted' from BBC Four to Two, Three to BBC Two and Two to BBC One. You're Fired! wasn't an exception. In fact, Don't Tell the Bride was also moved to BBC Two, so your puffed-up plume just doesn't have the effect you thought it had. That's understandable then if you were too young to watch Torchwood so kudos to your parent's good parenting. But you're a man now and nothing is stopping you from watching Torchwood today for your fix of all 'new' Captain Jack'. Your last paragraph just reiterates what you said in your previous statement, even after I gave you a small taster from the top of my head of their diversity in programmes. I distinctly told you that I watched BBC Three on a regular basis, just as much as I watched BBC Four, Two and One. What you're doing is debating with someone who watched the channel and is correctly aware of what it actually offered (I even watched its predecessor BBC Choice before it was replaced by BBC Three), you're debating with someone with greater knowledge with your lesser knowledge, again. When you read replies please read them properly otherwise it just ends up going in circles. edit: I've just looked on Three's list of reality programmes since its launch in 2003 to transmission closure which included shows such as South Side Story, Junior Paramedics, Junior Doctors, in fact most of their reality shows weren't like your Don't Tell the Bride or Snog/M/A, many of their reality shows were quite substantial in many ways unlike the typical TOWIE model. Never the less, being a television student, you should at least watch a few examples of reality shows from a production point of view, you don't need to take on board the content of the treatment but study how it's made, back-engineer its pre-production process, study how they're shot, cut and edited, music cues, reaction shots, emotional focus, audience manipulation, etc. As a video production teaching assistant myself, these are the basic things I tell the students. BBC Three's count of reality shows comes in at 21.Number of sitcoms/comedy dramas: 43Number of comedy sketch shows such as The Wrong Door, Monkey Dust, Little Britain, Lee Nelson, 3 Non-Blondes: 13 Number of dramas, such as, Our World War, Our War, Being Human, Bodies, Conviction, Thirteen, Murdered By My Boyfriend, In the Flesh, The Fades: 25There are a number of many one-off dramas missing from the list and the amount of serious and hard-hitting documentaries are far too many to count and list right now, three times as many than there were reality shows. You may have flicked through the channels, passing through and catching a glimpse of a reality show for a second or two but that isn't the best way to evaluate a channel. Never mind actually watching the station, it sounds as though you never even read any TV listings to find out what was on the channel. So, as you said and about the only thing you're right about, 'maybe it's just you'.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 9, 2017 15:59:50 GMT
The Apprentice: You're Fired was the only decent reality show on BBC3, and that was a spinoff of the hilarious reality business show The Apprentice. A reality show so good that it quickly moved to BBC2. The only reason why I didn't watch Torchwood is because my parents wouldn't let me. The one time I did - when it was on BBC1 and it was Miracle Day - a friend of the family (I told you this before) stuck his nose in and told my parents it featured a lot of gruesome scenes. I was 15 so I would have been alright anyway, which makes it all the more annoying. As for reality shows, personally I don't ever remember turning over to BBC3 and there not being reality rubbish on. That might just be me, but to me there seemed to be way more reality shows on BBC3 than on C4. What you mean to say is that You're Fired! was one of the very few that you happened to watch because you enjoyed the parent show on BBC1. Without Three, You're Fired! probably wouldn't have happened as the channel seemed to be good springboard at creating sister shows. As with all programmes that gain a lot of momentum on a particular channel that usually has fewer viewership as a whole, many shows get 'promoted' from BBC Four to Two, Three to BBC Two and Two to BBC One. You're Fired! wasn't an exception. That's understandable then if you were too young to watch Torchwood so kudos to your parent's good parenting. But you're a man now and nothing is stopping you from watching Torchwood today for your fix of all 'new' Captain Jack'. Your last paragraph just reiterates what you said in your previous statement, even after I gave you a small taster from the top of my head of their diversity in programmes. I distinctly told you that I watched BBC Three on a regular basis, just as much as I watched BBC Four, Two and One. What you're doing is debating with someone who watched the channel and is correctly aware of what it actually offered (I even watched its predecessor BBC Choice before it was replaced by BBC Three), you're debating with someone with greater knowledge with your lesser knowledge, again. When you read replies please read them properly otherwise it just ends up going in circles. edit: I've just looked on Three's list of reality programmes since its launch in 2003 to transmission closure which included shows such as South Side Story, Junior Paramedics, Junior Doctors, in fact most of their reality shows weren't like your Don't Tell the Bride or Snog/M/A, many of their reality shows were quite substantial in many ways unlike the typical TOWIE model. Never the less, being a television student, you should at least watch a few examples of reality shows from a production point of view, you don't need to take on board the content of the treatment but study how it's made, back-engineer its pre-production process, study how they're shot, cut and edited, music cues, reaction shots, emotional focus, audience manipulation, etc. As a video production teaching assistant myself, these are the basic things I tell the students. BBC Three's count of reality shows comes in at 21.Number of sitcoms/comedy dramas: 43Number of comedy sketch shows such as The Wrong Door, Monkey Dust, Little Britain, Lee Nelson, 3 Non-Blondes: 13 Number of dramas, such as, Our World War, Our War, Being Human, Bodies, Conviction, Thirteen, Murdered By My Boyfriend, In the Flesh, The Fades: 25There are a number of many one-off dramas missing from the list and the amount of serious and hard-hitting documentaries are far too many to count and list right now, three times as many than there were reality shows. You may have flicked through the channels, passing through and catching a glimpse of a reality show for a second or two but that isn't the best way to evaluate a channel. Never mind actually watching the station, it sounds as though you never even read any TV listings to find out what was on the channel. So, as you said and about the only thing you're right about, 'maybe it's just you'. I do watch a couple of reality shows. I'm A Celebrity...Get Me Out Of Here! and The Apprentice. The only two worth watching IMO.
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Post by doomlord on Sept 9, 2017 17:50:23 GMT
Why am not in the slightest bit surprised at that answer? I think you've just proven my point.
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