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Post by acousticwolf on Sept 14, 2017 17:13:45 GMT
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Post by relativetime on Sept 14, 2017 17:49:57 GMT
So Moffat's not the only one guilty of reversing deaths on Doctor Who, eh?
In all seriousness, I really don't mind if the story, or in this case poem, is good and the writer has somewhere interesting to take the character. Since I haven't read this poem, I can't really make any sort of judgement.
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Post by mrperson on Sept 14, 2017 17:58:40 GMT
Funny. I was just watching that last night. And yes, she died.
Unless they run an episode in which Rassilon recites this poetry, I'm going to decline to count it as anything more than fan-fic, even if he did run the show during its revival period.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 14, 2017 20:43:17 GMT
I don't find it too hard to believe Harriet Jones survived, although I can't see the character being brought back.
Maybe Big Finish will use her for a 'RTD Presents' story where we find out how she survived.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 14, 2017 21:43:33 GMT
Nah, chances are they'll be announcing Tales from Flydale North as the latest Doctor Who spin off tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 21:51:56 GMT
Funny. I was just watching that last night. And yes, she died. Unless they run an episode in which Rassilon recites this poetry, I'm going to decline to count it as anything more than fan-fic, even if he did run the show during its revival period. I never knew how much I wanted to see a Rassilon Poetry Bash until this very moment.
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Post by Faith on Sept 14, 2017 22:06:25 GMT
Funny. I was just watching that last night. And yes, she died. Unless they run an episode in which Rassilon recites this poetry, I'm going to decline to count it as anything more than fan-fic, even if he did run the show during its revival period. I never knew how much I wanted to see a Rassilon Poetry Bash until this very moment. I, too, would watch the heck out of this. I loved Harriet Jones. I was already under the impression her sacrifice was potentially undone when Amy couldn't remember the Daleks ever invading Earth. Essentially, that the Web of Time might have 'fixed' itself in a way. She's just... probably not a Harriet Jones that ever interacted with the Tenth Doctor. Maybe the Doctor at all, who knows? I'm vaguely curious about this poetry now though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 22:17:23 GMT
I never knew how much I wanted to see a Rassilon Poetry Bash until this very moment. I, too, would watch the heck out of this. I loved Harriet Jones. I was already under the impression her sacrifice was potentially undone when Amy couldn't remember the Daleks ever invading Earth. Essentially, that the Web of Time might have 'fixed' itself in a way. She's just... probably not a Harriet Jones that ever interacted with the Tenth Doctor. Maybe the Doctor at all, who knows? I'm vaguely curious about this poetry now though. That's a really good point. I wonder if she was able to have her Golden Age after all? Actually, it's something I've never really considered in this way before, I wonder how much of the Doctor's past gets papered over? Is that why Sarah Jane doesn't think she's seen him since The Hand of Fear in School Reunion? Yeah, I wonder if it exists outside of emails, hmm...
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Post by Faith on Sept 14, 2017 22:38:40 GMT
I, too, would watch the heck out of this. I loved Harriet Jones. I was already under the impression her sacrifice was potentially undone when Amy couldn't remember the Daleks ever invading Earth. Essentially, that the Web of Time might have 'fixed' itself in a way. She's just... probably not a Harriet Jones that ever interacted with the Tenth Doctor. Maybe the Doctor at all, who knows? I'm vaguely curious about this poetry now though. That's a really good point. I wonder if she was able to have her Golden Age after all? Actually, it's something I've never really considered in this way before, I wonder how much of the Doctor's past gets papered over? Is that why Sarah Jane doesn't think she's seen him since The Hand of Fear in School Reunion? Yeah, I wonder if it exists outside of emails, hmm... This kind of question is the precise reason I'm working with some of my friends on building a list of in-universe chronology to try and explore in depth. What lasting effect does the Doctor have on history? It's obvious he HAS one, of course. But how does it manifest? I may be over invested in this.I'm definitely quite curious about the Golden Age. And it really would go a long way to explaining why Sarah Jane doesn't remember other encounters with him. If I remember correctly, the Doctor tells Amy something along the lines of 'if they're part of your normal timeline, you forget' when handwavium time changes occur. It's an intriguing way to look at continuity fluxes to me, anyway. x3 I'd definitely read it if and when it does. It's been a while since I made myself take a gander at poetry anyway. Nothing like Doctor Who to push me to expand my reading habits again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 22:44:05 GMT
That's a really good point. I wonder if she was able to have her Golden Age after all? Actually, it's something I've never really considered in this way before, I wonder how much of the Doctor's past gets papered over? Is that why Sarah Jane doesn't think she's seen him since The Hand of Fear in School Reunion? Yeah, I wonder if it exists outside of emails, hmm... This kind of question is the precise reason I'm working with some of my friends on building a list of in-universe chronology to try and explore in depth. What lasting effect does the Doctor have on history? It's obvious he HAS one, of course. But how does it manifest? I may be over invested in this.I'm definitely quite curious about the Golden Age. And it really would go a long way to explaining why Sarah Jane doesn't remember other encounters with him. If I remember correctly, the Doctor tells Amy something along the lines of 'if they're part of your normal timeline, you forget' when handwavium time changes occur. It's an intriguing way to look at continuity fluxes to me, anyway. x3 I'd definitely read it if and when it does. It's been a while since I made myself take a gander at poetry anyway. Nothing like Doctor Who to push me to expand my reading habits again. That sounds fascinating. This timeline you're all looking at, is it from the Doctor's perspective or the perspective of Earth history? I'm really, really curious.
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Post by Faith on Sept 14, 2017 22:53:58 GMT
This kind of question is the precise reason I'm working with some of my friends on building a list of in-universe chronology to try and explore in depth. What lasting effect does the Doctor have on history? It's obvious he HAS one, of course. But how does it manifest? I may be over invested in this.I'm definitely quite curious about the Golden Age. And it really would go a long way to explaining why Sarah Jane doesn't remember other encounters with him. If I remember correctly, the Doctor tells Amy something along the lines of 'if they're part of your normal timeline, you forget' when handwavium time changes occur. It's an intriguing way to look at continuity fluxes to me, anyway. x3 I'd definitely read it if and when it does. It's been a while since I made myself take a gander at poetry anyway. Nothing like Doctor Who to push me to expand my reading habits again. That sounds fascinating. This timeline you're all looking at, is it from the Doctor's perspective or the perspective of Earth history? I'm really, really curious. From the perspective of humanity and Earth history. (Which means missing out on beautiful stories on Gallifrey and the Land of Fiction and Spare Parts, at least at first, but ugh.) We've compiled a list of all the stories we have access to from personal collections or libraries, etc. Time stamping them as been a job and a half, especially since the timeline does not make consistent sense to me. Some stories, like Into the Dalek, take place during the 'human/dalek wars' but those took place in the 25th AND the 40th centuries, so I'm left going 'WHICH TIME THOUGH'. Etc etc. We'll probably be loosely peppering some stories at a complete guess through different centuries. But there is a lovely amount with actual dates. Essentially, the idea is, if we can put the event on a human calendar, and/or there is reason to suspect humanity would have learned about these events, then it goes on the list. Once the list is compiled, we're going to go through and see how much sense it makes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 22:59:40 GMT
That sounds fascinating. This timeline you're all looking at, is it from the Doctor's perspective or the perspective of Earth history? I'm really, really curious. From the perspective of humanity and Earth history. (Which means missing out on beautiful stories on Gallifrey and the Land of Fiction and Spare Parts, at least at first, but ugh.) We've compiled a list of all the stories we have access to from personal collections or libraries, etc. Time stamping them as been a job and a half, especially since the timeline does not make consistent sense to me. Some stories, like Into the Dalek, take place during the 'human/dalek wars' but those took place in the 25th AND the 40th centuries, so I'm left going 'WHICH TIME THOUGH'. Etc etc. We'll probably be loosely peppering some stories at a complete guess through different centuries. But there is a lovely amount with actual dates. Essentially, the idea is, if we can put the event on a human calendar, and/or there is reason to suspect humanity would have learned about these events, then it goes on the list. Once the list is compiled, we're going to go through and see how much sense it makes. That sounds really, really clever. I'd love to see the final product when you guys reach it.
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Post by Faith on Sept 14, 2017 23:04:04 GMT
From the perspective of humanity and Earth history. (Which means missing out on beautiful stories on Gallifrey and the Land of Fiction and Spare Parts, at least at first, but ugh.) We've compiled a list of all the stories we have access to from personal collections or libraries, etc. Time stamping them as been a job and a half, especially since the timeline does not make consistent sense to me. Some stories, like Into the Dalek, take place during the 'human/dalek wars' but those took place in the 25th AND the 40th centuries, so I'm left going 'WHICH TIME THOUGH'. Etc etc. We'll probably be loosely peppering some stories at a complete guess through different centuries. But there is a lovely amount with actual dates. Essentially, the idea is, if we can put the event on a human calendar, and/or there is reason to suspect humanity would have learned about these events, then it goes on the list. Once the list is compiled, we're going to go through and see how much sense it makes. That sounds really, really clever. I'd love to see the final product when you guys reach it. I'll make sure to share then! ^_^
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2017 9:13:19 GMT
That's a really good point. I wonder if she was able to have her Golden Age after all? Actually, it's something I've never really considered in this way before, I wonder how much of the Doctor's past gets papered over? Is that why Sarah Jane doesn't think she's seen him since The Hand of Fear in School Reunion? Yeah, I wonder if it exists outside of emails, hmm... This kind of question is the precise reason I'm working with some of my friends on building a list of in-universe chronology to try and explore in depth. What lasting effect does the Doctor have on history? It's obvious he HAS one, of course. But how does it manifest? I may be over invested in this.I'm definitely quite curious about the Golden Age. And it really would go a long way to explaining why Sarah Jane doesn't remember other encounters with him. If I remember correctly, the Doctor tells Amy something along the lines of 'if they're part of your normal timeline, you forget' when handwavium time changes occur. It's an intriguing way to look at continuity fluxes to me, anyway. x3 I'd definitely read it if and when it does. It's been a while since I made myself take a gander at poetry anyway. Nothing like Doctor Who to push me to expand my reading habits again. With Sarah Jane Smith she was taken out of her timestream, so when she was returned to her normal time she forgot meeting the Doctor (or Doctors) again.
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Post by Faith on Sept 15, 2017 10:45:37 GMT
This kind of question is the precise reason I'm working with some of my friends on building a list of in-universe chronology to try and explore in depth. What lasting effect does the Doctor have on history? It's obvious he HAS one, of course. But how does it manifest? I may be over invested in this.I'm definitely quite curious about the Golden Age. And it really would go a long way to explaining why Sarah Jane doesn't remember other encounters with him. If I remember correctly, the Doctor tells Amy something along the lines of 'if they're part of your normal timeline, you forget' when handwavium time changes occur. It's an intriguing way to look at continuity fluxes to me, anyway. x3 I'd definitely read it if and when it does. It's been a while since I made myself take a gander at poetry anyway. Nothing like Doctor Who to push me to expand my reading habits again. With Sarah Jane Smith she was taken out of her timestream, so when she was returned to her normal time she forgot meeting the Doctor (or Doctors) again. Now that you mention it, I do recall that explanation! Thanks. I still remember Eleven telling Amy that she could only remember the people being erased because she WAS out of her timestream too, although perhaps they are different enough situations. I enjoy the show regardless, and mostly I like to think I follow the way its rules work. Then I talk myself into a loop of confusion. xD That, and I must have misremembered Sarah Jane interacting with the Doctor after the Five Doctors and before School Reunion. Maybe I dreamed that story, hmm.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 15, 2017 10:51:13 GMT
With Sarah Jane Smith she was taken out of her timestream, so when she was returned to her normal time she forgot meeting the Doctor (or Doctors) again. Now that you mention it, I do recall that explanation! Thanks. I still remember Eleven telling Amy that she could only remember the people being erased because she WAS out of her timestream too, although perhaps they are different enough situations. I enjoy the show regardless, and mostly I like to think I follow the way its rules work. Then I talk myself into a loop of confusion. xD That, and I must have misremembered Sarah Jane interacting with the Doctor after the Five Doctors and before School Reunion. Maybe I dreamed that story, hmm. There are two novels and a comic depicting Sarah meeting the Doctor between Five Doctors and School Reunion, so depending on your view on canon she must have been very forgetful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 11:32:46 GMT
Now that you mention it, I do recall that explanation! Thanks. I still remember Eleven telling Amy that she could only remember the people being erased because she WAS out of her timestream too, although perhaps they are different enough situations. I enjoy the show regardless, and mostly I like to think I follow the way its rules work. Then I talk myself into a loop of confusion. xD That, and I must have misremembered Sarah Jane interacting with the Doctor after the Five Doctors and before School Reunion. Maybe I dreamed that story, hmm. There are two novels and a comic depicting Sarah meeting the Doctor between Five Doctors and School Reunion, so depending on your view on canon she must have been very forgetful. Her timeline does get messed about with quite a bit though. Wolfsbane ends with Harry probably killing her and Bullet Time with her likely shot. Sometime Never goes a little towards explaining the problem, stating that there have been deliberate alterations to the histories of the Doctor's companions in an attempt to cull everything down to a single timeline.
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Post by MayoTango131 on Sept 15, 2017 13:50:33 GMT
I do not care, she only served for a recurring joke "I'm Harriet Jones." I never understood the popularity of that character, the constant response of "yes, we know who you are" was annoying. When she appeared in Series 4, I had forgotten about her. The worst thing is that even the Daleks were part of that joke.
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Post by Faith on Sept 15, 2017 16:46:32 GMT
Now that you mention it, I do recall that explanation! Thanks. I still remember Eleven telling Amy that she could only remember the people being erased because she WAS out of her timestream too, although perhaps they are different enough situations. I enjoy the show regardless, and mostly I like to think I follow the way its rules work. Then I talk myself into a loop of confusion. xD That, and I must have misremembered Sarah Jane interacting with the Doctor after the Five Doctors and before School Reunion. Maybe I dreamed that story, hmm. There are two novels and a comic depicting Sarah meeting the Doctor between Five Doctors and School Reunion, so depending on your view on canon she must have been very forgetful. Oh! Maybe it wasn't a fever dream then. Thanks for sharing this.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 15, 2017 21:26:13 GMT
Funny. I was just watching that last night. And yes, she died. Unless they run an episode in which Rassilon recites this poetry, I'm going to decline to count it as anything more than fan-fic, even if he did run the show during its revival period. I never knew how much I wanted to see a Rassilon Poetry Bash until this very moment. The real reason the Doctor left Gallifrey.
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