lidar2
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 23, 2017 10:11:58 GMT
This thread is basically a question about something I can't quite understand.
Prior the the Power of the Daleks animation we were told that animating lost episodes was hugely expensive and unlikely to be commercially viable. There was an article in DWM on the DVD releases which IIRC said that 2 of the 3 companies that had done animation had since gone out of business. Plans to animate the missing episodes of The Underwater Menace were abandoned. Fair enough.
So how come it is now commercially viable to animate lost episodes all of a sudden?(not that I am complaining, mind you)
Is there a cheaper animation process being used? If so is it lesser quality? Or is there simply more marketing to generate more sales revenue?
Can anyone shed any light?
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Post by relativetime on Sept 23, 2017 10:24:47 GMT
I haven't read anywhere that it's become more affordable or anything, and since we're only getting Shada this year, much like we only got Power of the Daleks last year, I can only assume it's still not something we're likely to see very much of. Not in the near future, anyways. In fact, I'm pretty certain the reason we're getting Shada and not an animation for a lost story is because the BBC is more confident they can make their money back (and then some) with Tom's name attached than Troughton's or Hartnell's.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 23, 2017 10:32:15 GMT
Its only affordable now in terms of that they can seemingly produce 1 complete story a year (and then one that has a fair amount of fan interest).
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Post by Star Platinum on Sept 23, 2017 23:38:39 GMT
I haven't read anywhere that it's become more affordable or anything, and since we're only getting Shada this year, much like we only got Power of the Daleks last year, I can only assume it's still not something we're likely to see very much of. Not in the near future, anyways. In fact, I'm pretty certain the reason we're getting Shada and not an animation for a lost story is because the BBC is more confident they can make their money back (and then some) with Tom's name attached than Troughton's or Hartnell's. Don’t forget, in addition to Tom Baker’s name, it’s also got Douglas Addams name attached to it. That’ll draw a fair bit of attention to it. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 23, 2017 23:53:41 GMT
I heard that someone who worked on the Power of the Daleks animation said that the issue with these things was more time than money which I found odd as I had always thought that it was common knowledge that th animations weren't exactly commercially viable. Apparently they wanted 9 months to get Power done, even though Twelve months was more realistic but the BBC wanted it done in 6 months. I can't provide evidence, so this could be completely false, but it's just something interesting that I've heard.
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Post by jasonward on Sept 24, 2017 0:41:20 GMT
I've never really understood the statement that animating Who is not commercially viable. Animation is not one thing, contrast an episode of South Park to Disney's Lion King, they are clearly very different beasts.
If faster cheaper animation was needed, then faster cheaper techniques can be used. An episode of South Park apparently takes 6 days to produce from script to ready to air. I can't find any details on how long Lion King took to animate and voice etc but the project from inception to first release was 12 years. An episode of South Park is 22 minutes, Lion King was 88 minutes. Clearly whilst both are animation, the processes involved are very different, and the costs for each will be very different.
So if at a given cost of animation no money can be made, then surely the answer is to play with the process until it is cost effective enough, sure you will probably have to factor in how this change may also impact the audience and it's willingness to part with money for it, but animation is a huge range, and the assertion that it can't be financially viable seems oddly simplistic to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 4:02:14 GMT
I think what's changed more commonly than not is that there's this new shift towards animation as a mainstream form of media. Before it was seen to be something only for niche audiences who enjoyed cult classics, but I think with recent developments in both film and television that attitude has changed dramatically. A variety of factors contributing there -- the rise of superhero films, Japanese animation growing closer to mainstream Western audiences, etc. Another factor is that technology has improved considerably, even in this particularly small timeframe. A bigger perceived market and cheaper/faster industrial processes, in other words. As a result, Doctor Who gains a considerable boon.
Cosgrove Hall has come back after a long rest and have done a reboot of Danger Mouse apparently. I've often wondered what their version of The Daleks' Master Plan would have looked like.
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Post by doomlord on Sept 24, 2017 21:38:50 GMT
Didn't the subscription channel BritBox express an interest in animating or was it restoring/cleaning up some telesnaps? I remember reading something along those lines somewhere?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 24, 2017 21:45:26 GMT
Didn't the subscription channel BritBox express an interest in animating or was it restoring/cleaning up some telesnaps? I remember reading something along those lines somewhere? I believe they were making their own telesnap reconstructions but don't quote me on that. They definitely weren't doing any animation which is a shame. |
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Post by doomlord on Sept 24, 2017 21:55:17 GMT
If I win the Euro-Millions lottery, I'm pulling out all the stops and hiring out a motion-capture studio and delivering to you a standard akin to the New Captain Scarlet series.
And you can hold me to that.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 24, 2017 22:06:06 GMT
Didn't the subscription channel BritBox express an interest in animating or was it restoring/cleaning up some telesnaps? I remember reading something along those lines somewhere? Yes they've gone with cleaning up the tele snaps option, can any USA members confirm if they've made them available yet (possibly not as Power of the Daleks animation is apparently just about to be made available this coming Saturday 30th September)
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