Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 19:16:40 GMT
The wording Big Finish used when announcing both titles and the way Nick and/or Paul referred to it in the podcasts was always pretty clear these would always be subscriber only releases. That said, I don't see how that would be legally binding if they decided enough time has passed. I don't remember any small print when I purchased a sub with those titles as the bonus. It's several years now, make some money on it and let it out of its subscriber only cell. I'm not sure Nick will be fussed by the legal aspects - more the moral ones. It was - AGES after the discs came out - something he was always adamant would not change and that the discs wouldn't go on general sale. I suspect it's more principle than legality and fair play to them sticking by their word. It does make those discs all the more special, like say the CD copy of The Toy and Benny's Buried Treasure and other BF rarities. FWIW, when I got up to date with all the BF ranges and renewed my sub since there was nothing I needed, a good few years back, I would pick The Four Doctors as my freebie and sell it to someone who needed it at "cost" - 11 quid and a quid postage. Sold a couple to people on the old forum, in fact. I'm on the supersub for the forseeable though so can't help out anyone for a while!
|
|
|
Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 28, 2017 19:39:55 GMT
The wording Big Finish used when announcing both titles and the way Nick and/or Paul referred to it in the podcasts was always pretty clear these would always be subscriber only releases. That said, I don't see how that would be legally binding if they decided enough time has passed. I don't remember any small print when I purchased a sub with those titles as the bonus. It's several years now, make some money on it and let it out of its subscriber only cell. I'm not sure Nick will be fussed by the legal aspects - more the moral ones. It was - AGES after the discs came out - something he was always adamant would not change and that the discs wouldn't go on general sale. I suspect it's more principle than legality and fair play to them sticking by their word. It does make those discs all the more special, like say the CD copy of The Toy and Benny's Buried Treasure and other BF rarities. FWIW, when I got up to date with all the BF ranges and renewed my sub since there was nothing I needed, a good few years back, I would pick The Four Doctors as my freebie and sell it to someone who needed it at "cost" - 11 quid and a quid postage. Sold a couple to people on the old forum, in fact. I'm on the supersub for the forseeable though so can't help out anyone for a while! Yeah I get the principle thing of it but I've never really understood why those releases became a line in the sand for them. The word never just backs a person or a company into a corner. Anyway.
|
|
|
Post by gregm on Sept 28, 2017 21:51:08 GMT
I love the way people say "it would be against the law" if BF offered them by another method. At best it would be a breach of contract, which presumably anyone with sufficient money could sue them about. Maybe they'd succeed, but not sure what they'd gain if they did. It might matter if it was in the contract with the actors or production staff, who again could sue for breach of contract.
On the other hand, BF said they wouldn't and they haven't.
Personally, I don't really care. I have the stories via subscriptions, but I wouldn't have a problem if BF decided to make them more readily available.
|
|
|
Post by Digi on Sept 28, 2017 22:38:34 GMT
Also a bit absurd given that Big Finish is currently about to release for general sale a bunch of old subscriber-exclusive Short Trips, as discussed on the most recent podcast.
|
|
|
Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 29, 2017 6:34:34 GMT
I recall maybe last year (?) Nick was 100% clear, those 2 cds will never be released as single releases/non subscription. He was very emphatic on that. As per my previous post further up- get a retrospective sub, I am not getting any repeats- I cleaned up Sales wise the last 4-5 years and built up my collection- I begrudgingly bought a sub because I finally had some spare $ and I knew besides paying $100+AUST on eBay, this is the only way to get it relatively cheap..
|
|
lidar2
Castellan
You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
Likes: 5,819
|
Post by lidar2 on Sept 29, 2017 7:32:25 GMT
I'm not sure Nick will be fussed by the legal aspects - more the moral ones. ... I suspect it's more principle than legality and fair play to them sticking by their word. I think that hits the nail on the head perfectly.
|
|
|
Post by andrew on Sept 29, 2017 7:59:56 GMT
I took out the super sub offer from a couple of years ago starting from 221 with the Four Doctors as my free gift. My intention ever since then has been to get a sub for 12 titles starting at 209 with the Five Companions as free gift, just as soon as there's a quiet couple of months in the release schedule with no new releases I want or gap-filling sales that I can't resist. Still waiting for that quiet period. My first big purchase from BF was four subs for most of the first 50. Somewhat foolishly I chose four stories from the first series of the 4DAs as my free gifts. They've since been on sale several times. Realise now that the subscriber only titles would have been better choices back then. Get a six month sub with Army of Death (go for Silver Turk to Wirrn Isle) if you haven't got those stories already. I do have those. Thanks to numerous sales I've acquired most of the monthly range. Just missing a few odd titles between 126 and 150 then have everything up to 187. I have a few of 188 onwards so, to avoid having doubles, my only option for a sub is to start at 205-209.
|
|
|
Post by barnabaslives on Sept 29, 2017 12:09:55 GMT
I don't think they owe it to me as recipient of a sub bonus to stick to the original terms, but I keep wondering if the The Four Doctors and The Five Companions could be subject to the same kind of issue as CD-only releases which are restricted from sales as downloads because of the original terms with the participants, with Big Finish potentially being legally beholden to some of the people involved with the sub bonuses to not do otherwise with them except as previously agreed?
I think the bonuses still make a good incentive for subscribing - at least, I bought my first 12-month sub to get The Four Doctors after I finally couldn't see as much sense in getting a sub for the set with Demons of Red Lodge when I think I had already pieced together that run from sales and individual purchases I made of stories that I wanted to hear before I could save up to get them on subscription.
I know it can be a bit of a stretch to get a sub in order to get one, but both releases have some truly great moments, at least in my opinion - but I've heard a number of rather positive comments from others too.
|
|
|
Post by mark687 on Sept 29, 2017 12:41:20 GMT
They've got Promotional Item Not for Sale on the CD Versions in place of a Bar Code so that's almost conclusive.
Regards
mark687
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Sept 29, 2017 13:09:31 GMT
This question has absolutely nothing to do with this thread but I couldn't think of a better one and historical subs were being discussed so: Which MR release did the scripts and extended extras for subscribers start with please?
|
|
|
Post by mark687 on Sept 29, 2017 13:12:59 GMT
This question has absolutely nothing to do with this thread but I couldn't think of a better one and historical subs were being discussed so: Which MR release did the scripts and extended extras for subscribers start with please? Number 120 The Magic Mousetrap for Scripts, Number 121 Enemy of the Daleks for Extended Extras and Scripts, and Sub Bonus STs are roughly every 3 releases from 128 The Eternal Summer (Museum Peace which you can also get as a Rarity or with a Sub to 8th Doc Adventures Season 3)
Regards
mark687
|
|
|
Post by muckypup on Sept 29, 2017 13:29:47 GMT
The wording Big Finish used when announcing both titles and the way Nick and/or Paul referred to it in the podcasts was always pretty clear these would always be subscriber only releases. That said, I don't see how that would be legally binding if they decided enough time has passed. I don't remember any small print when I purchased a sub with those titles as the bonus. It's several years now, make some money on it and let it out of its subscriber only cell. I'm not sure Nick will be fussed by the legal aspects - more the moral ones. It was - AGES after the discs came out - something he was always adamant would not change and that the discs wouldn't go on general sale. I suspect it's more principle than legality and fair play to them sticking by their word. It does make those discs all the more special, like say the CD copy of The Toy and Benny's Buried Treasure and other BF rarities. FWIW, when I got up to date with all the BF ranges and renewed my sub since there was nothing I needed, a good few years back, I would pick The Four Doctors as my freebie and sell it to someone who needed it at "cost" - 11 quid and a quid postage. Sold a couple to people on the old forum, in fact. I'm on the supersub for the forseeable though so can't help out anyone for a while! that's exactly what I did......but when mentioned on old forum got ripped to shreds for "exploiting Big Finish" and lessening a special release. and am on super sub too so not able to help. the thing that does annoy me though is the people who usually shout loudest about these release being subscriber exclusive are usually the people who have bought most of the stuff in a sale.
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Sept 29, 2017 13:32:11 GMT
This question has absolutely nothing to do with this thread but I couldn't think of a better one and historical subs were being discussed so: Which MR release did the scripts and extended extras for subscribers start with please? Number 120 The Magic Mousetrap for Scripts Number 122 Enemy of the Daleks for Extended Extras and Scripts
Regards
mark687
Thanks Mark! There are two runs of MR stories in particular where I would (one day!) want to replace my current second-hand CDs with a sub to get new CDs plus all the extras - if they were doing extras back then, which I now know they were! The Sixie/Jamie trilogy followed by the 'Cobwebs' trilogy is one set of favourites and the first Flip trilogy followed by the 'Emerald Tiger' trilogy is the other. One day, when I've caught up with the sales for various ranges.
|
|
|
Post by mark687 on Sept 29, 2017 13:52:32 GMT
Number 120 The Magic Mousetrap for Scripts Number 122 Enemy of the Daleks for Extended Extras and Scripts
Regards
mark687
Thanks Mark! There are two runs of MR stories in particular where I would (one day!) want to replace my current second-hand CDs with a sub to get new CDs plus all the extras - if they were doing extras back then, which I now know they were! The Sixie/Jamie trilogy followed by the 'Cobwebs' trilogy is one set of favourites and the first Flip trilogy followed by the 'Emerald Tiger' trilogy is the other. One day, when I've caught up with the sales for various ranges. You get these Sub Bonus STs 1 with each trilogy
The 6th Doc/Jamie trilogy gets you The Switching , Cobwebs one gets you Lepidoptry for Beginners, 1st Flip one gets you Breadcrumbs, Emerald Tiger one gets you Intuition (so you can actully buy 3 of the 4 as Rarities)
Regards
mark687
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Sept 29, 2017 15:52:32 GMT
Thanks Mark! There are two runs of MR stories in particular where I would (one day!) want to replace my current second-hand CDs with a sub to get new CDs plus all the extras - if they were doing extras back then, which I now know they were! The Sixie/Jamie trilogy followed by the 'Cobwebs' trilogy is one set of favourites and the first Flip trilogy followed by the 'Emerald Tiger' trilogy is the other. One day, when I've caught up with the sales for various ranges. You get these Sub Bonus STs 1 with each trilogy
The 6th Doc/Jamie trilogy gets you The Switching , Cobwebs one gets you Lepidoptry for Beginners, 1st Flip one gets you Breadcrumbs, Emerald Tiger one gets you Intuition (so you can actully buy 3 of the 4 as Rarities)
Regards
mark687
Telepathy?! Thanks, that's exactly what started me thinking about this now - so I won't be buying those Short Trips since I''ll get them as bonuses when I eventually replace those MR highlights with subs.
|
|
|
Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 29, 2017 21:47:49 GMT
I'm not sure Nick will be fussed by the legal aspects - more the moral ones. It was - AGES after the discs came out - something he was always adamant would not change and that the discs wouldn't go on general sale. I suspect it's more principle than legality and fair play to them sticking by their word. It does make those discs all the more special, like say the CD copy of The Toy and Benny's Buried Treasure and other BF rarities. FWIW, when I got up to date with all the BF ranges and renewed my sub since there was nothing I needed, a good few years back, I would pick The Four Doctors as my freebie and sell it to someone who needed it at "cost" - 11 quid and a quid postage. Sold a couple to people on the old forum, in fact. I'm on the supersub for the forseeable though so can't help out anyone for a while! that's exactly what I did......but when mentioned on old forum got ripped to shreds for "exploiting Big Finish" and lessening a special release. and am on super sub too so not able to help. the thing that does annoy me though is the people who usually shout loudest about these release being subscriber exclusive are usually the people who have bought most of the stuff in a sale. Probably the same people who complained to high heaven when BF discounted subscription preorders for a weekend so loudly that we never saw a sale like that again.
|
|
|
Post by Ela on Oct 1, 2017 16:12:39 GMT
This question has absolutely nothing to do with this thread but I couldn't think of a better one and historical subs were being discussed so: Which MR release did the scripts and extended extras for subscribers start with please? Or you could just look at this page to figure it out: www.bigfinish.com/pages/v/doctor-who---subscriber-short-trips
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Oct 1, 2017 20:47:43 GMT
This question has absolutely nothing to do with this thread but I couldn't think of a better one and historical subs were being discussed so: Which MR release did the scripts and extended extras for subscribers start with please? Or you could just look at this page to figure it out: www.bigfinish.com/pages/v/doctor-who---subscriber-short-tripsUmmm... I was looking for when the scripts and extended interviews started being given with the MR, rather than the Sub Short Trips? Unless I'm missing something on that page? It's OK anyway thanks, Mark posted the details.
|
|
|
Post by shallacatop on Oct 1, 2017 21:04:32 GMT
I don’t think it’s strictly legally binding as such, but it’s probably not worth the fuss to make it available for what they’d get out of it sales wise, I suspect. It was a heavy handed initial announcement that they’ve since rectified with other exclusives. It’s just a shame that they’re arguably more appealing releases on paper than what we’ve had since, as good as much of them are.
|
|
|
Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Oct 2, 2017 23:16:28 GMT
I got my retrosepctive 12 month subscription in the mail.. Not too bad, I ordered it Aust time 13th Sept.. It has apparantly been sitting in my PO BOX since the 29th Sept (I checked at 9am and there was nothing there, I reckon it must have arrived later that day)..
BUT- I got the all important physical copy of "The Four Doctors".. I double checked the back and it still says "Promotional Item Not For Sale".
I honestly reckon if they just renegged on their self imposing binding rule and sold this and the 5 Companions they would be inundated with orders.
|
|