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Post by beepthemeep on Oct 9, 2017 16:35:09 GMT
Do we think the Alex MacQueen Master might pop up in this series?
It seems odd that he wasn't in Doom Coalition, a series about a team of evil time lords has him written all over it. Was it just scheduling conflicts that meant he wasn't in it? Or a deliberate decision to avoid previous continuity?
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Post by denyer97 on Oct 9, 2017 16:49:52 GMT
Do we think the Alex MacQueen Master might pop up in this series? It seems odd that he wasn't in Doom Coalition, a series about a team of evil time lords has him written all over it. Was it just scheduling conflicts that meant he wasn't in it? Or a deliberate decision to avoid previous continuity? While I agree in-universe it was odd for the Master not to be involved, I’m glad of the break with the last couple of Dark Eyes box sets being so ‘Master heavy’. Personally I’d enjoy quite a long break of 8 vs Master and maybe all time lord villains that he’s faced recently (The Monk, Straxus, Kotris, The Eleven, Padrac, The Sonomancer, The Clocksmith). Although I say that, I wouldn’t mind an 8 & Rani face off in this follow up.
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Post by Jeedai on Oct 10, 2017 1:02:36 GMT
More Eight is always good news. This is beyond exciting. And NO! Liv cannot be written out. I think she's falling for Helen and I want to listen more and more as regardless of script I think Nicola is playing it that way. I've been watchin a lot of her Telly work and she is very good at subtlety...[snip] I recently re-listened to the entire DC run and I think I agree about Liv/Helen, there's enough subtext in the performance for me to think there's something quite moving developing there beyond mere friendship (though I had the opposite impression-I think Helen is falling for Liv...), no idea where it is all leading (and I assume I will be proven completely wrong), but I hope it's a happy ending (or as happy as it can be for a 8th Doctor audio companion) the characters have had so much tragedy they deserve that much, wondering if/how much powers Helen has inherited from the Sonomancer... Maybe I was mis-reading signals being sent, but I kept expecting Helen to run off with River.
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Post by relativetime on Oct 10, 2017 2:16:37 GMT
This is beyond exciting. And NO! Liv cannot be written out. I think she's falling for Helen and I want to listen more and more as regardless of script I think Nicola is playing it that way. I've been watchin a lot of her Telly work and she is very good at subtlety. And I would really like a 6 and 8 double doctor story. They are having more and more in common lately. Although I am not a huge fan of Flip the fact that 6 has Modern and past and 8 has future and past I find interesting. Or maybe the Doctor just works better having a female dynamic duo with him. He's been doing it since his 5th incarnation after all! I recently re-listened to the entire DC run and I think I agree about Liv/Helen, there's enough subtext in the performance for me to think there's something quite moving developing there beyond mere friendship (though I had the opposite impression-I think Helen is falling for Liv...), no idea where it is all leading (and I assume I will be proven completely wrong), but I hope it's a happy ending (or as happy as it can be for a 8th Doctor audio companion) the characters have had so much tragedy they deserve that much, wondering if/how much powers Helen has inherited from the Sonomancer... I agree entirely - I want there to be a happy ending for Liv and Helen. I want the Eighth Doctor to be as youthful and adventurous as ever before the Time War comes smashing into his life. Definitely let there be some universal peril, but leave all the major heartbreaking and sorrowful resolutions for the Time War boxsets. I think that would make the Time War even more tragic - beating the Doctor down just as he's finally reached his happiest moment.
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Post by elkawho on Oct 10, 2017 2:37:51 GMT
Why all the speculation about Liv and Helen, or Liv and River? One of the things that I have really come to loathe in modern storytelling is that two women can't seem to have a close, meaningful relationship without there being romance behind it. I've had a number of close relationships and deep connections with other women in my life, relationships that meant (and mean) the world to me at the time, and not one of them developed into anything more than what they were. Wonderful and meaningful friendships. They are certainly hard to come by, and I think in many ways more realistic and complex than turning it into a romantic relationship. I find that the easy and, honestly, least interesting route to take the characters.
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Post by Jeedai on Oct 10, 2017 5:25:45 GMT
Why all the speculation about Liv and Helen, or Liv and River? One of the things that I have really come to loathe in modern storytelling is that two women can't seem to have a close, meaningful relationship without there being romance behind it. I've had a number of close relationships and deep connections with other women in my life, relationships that meant (and mean) the world to me at the time, and not one of them developed into anything more than what they were. Wonderful and meaningful friendships. They are certainly hard to come by, and I think in many ways more realistic and complex than turning it into a romantic relationship. I find that the easy and, honestly, least interesting route to take the characters. I wasn't thinking only in terms of shipping. Listening to the stories I got to thinking Helen was getting closer and closer to looking for an exit towards the end of the sets. Though they had good reasons for it, and did eventually talk it through, Helen was repeatedly sidelined by Eight and Liv and that bothered her a lot. (The worst example IMO was when she was left behind to watch over a wounded Voord when *Liv* is the medic). Even the Sonomancer caught on to her dissatisfaction. I honestly missed any romantic subtext between her and Liv, seeing more a worry that Eight and Liv had a true partnership going and she was a third wheel. It reminded me of Mickey's time on the Tardis, always feeling stuck in the background. And she got on well enough with River that traveling with her might have started looking like a better deal. That could have been as shattering to Eight's morale as a death. Someone up and walking away like Charley did (as far as he knows), because he's no longer the person who could have held on to her. But maybe I'm looking too hard for Eight's next major blow to be something other than a companion death.
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Post by aztec on Oct 11, 2017 13:18:44 GMT
Why all the speculation about Liv and Helen, or Liv and River? One of the things that I have really come to loathe in modern storytelling is that two women can't seem to have a close, meaningful relationship without there being romance behind it. I've had a number of close relationships and deep connections with other women in my life, relationships that meant (and mean) the world to me at the time, and not one of them developed into anything more than what they were. Wonderful and meaningful friendships. They are certainly hard to come by, and I think in many ways more realistic and complex than turning it into a romantic relationship. I find that the easy and, honestly, least interesting route to take the characters. I wasn't thinking only in terms of shipping. Listening to the stories I got to thinking Helen was getting closer and closer to looking for an exit towards the end of the sets. Though they had good reasons for it, and did eventually talk it through, Helen was repeatedly sidelined by Eight and Liv and that bothered her a lot. (The worst example IMO was when she was left behind to watch over a wounded Voord when *Liv* is the medic). Even the Sonomancer caught on to her dissatisfaction. I honestly missed any romantic subtext between her and Liv, seeing more a worry that Eight and Liv had a true partnership going and she was a third wheel. It reminded me of Mickey's time on the Tardis, always feeling stuck in the background. And she got on well enough with River that traveling with her might have started looking like a better deal. That could have been as shattering to Eight's morale as a death. Someone up and walking away like Charley did (as far as he knows), because he's no longer the person who could have held on to her. But maybe I'm looking too hard for Eight's next major blow to be something other than a companion death. I'm wondering if River will appear in this next run of boxsets, Alex Kingston has such great chemistry with McGann (dare I say it, I think the duo have better chemistry than she did with Matt Smith) and River's flirtatious, adventurous personality worked really well (from both a dramatic and comedic perspective) to contrast against Helen's more cautious personality. Also wondering if Helen's feelings of being an newcomer/third wheel to the tardis team, and something of outcast already before she met Liv and The Doctor will play into this next arc somehow, perhaps she still has some of the Sonomancer's power and the Eleven turns her...
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Post by aztec on Oct 11, 2017 13:33:32 GMT
A few wishes/thoughts in general for future 8th Doctor audios:
- I'd like to hear another 8th Doctor Cyberman story-what did the Cybermen get up during the time war? - I'd like 8 (or any Doctor) to meet the Rocket Men and Sea Devils as both are really interesting, underused races i.m.o - It would be interesting to hear him encounter Romana/Leela again all these years later, perhaps tying in with the Gallifrey range. - Bring back Rassilon! - Dark Eyes felt like a psychological thriller/war politics combo, Doom Coalition being a grand fast moving epic, as the 8th Doctor Time War sets will be presumably exploring timey wimey epic storylines, I'm hoping the DC follow up is a bit smaller in scale and less reliant on story arc to contrast this (not sure can you get much more epic than thwarting the destruction of the universes entire future...), and perhaps a bit more cheerful and rompy before the heartbreak of the time war perhaps akin to the early Charley/Mary stories. - On that topic, I'd love to hear some more stories with some of his old companions (either full cast/short trip etc)-C'Rizz, Mary, Fitz and Tamsin etc all have more stories to tell yet... - The current tardis team of Liv/Helen/8 is a great one, and I hope it sticks around for a long while, but when the duo are written out, I think it would be interesting to partner the 8th Doctor with a male companion, it's been a decade since C'Rizz was written out, and in the novels the 8th Doctor's long partnership with Fitz was near writer proof, drawing out different aspects of the 8th Doctor's character that a female companion couldn't, and inverting many of the tropes of the typical male doctor/young female companion, it would be interesting to see if that kind of chemistry transfers to how McGann plays the role on audio.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 11, 2017 13:47:52 GMT
- I'd like to hear another 8th Doctor Cyberman story-what did the Cybermen get up during the time war? I can imagine the Time Lords trying to weaponise them like they tried to do with the vashta nerada.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 11, 2017 13:55:12 GMT
A few wishes/thoughts in general for future 8th Doctor audios: - I'd like to hear another 8th Doctor Cyberman story-what did the Cybermen get up during the time war? {Spoiler} I took the references to a war involving the Doctor in The Reaping to be linked to the Time War. So if what the Cyberleader says is true, the Cybermen somehow got pulled into the war (machinations of the Time Lords perhaps?), only to get devastated by an event involving the Doctor (who presumably wouldn't be too happy about the Time Lords using the Cybermen), resulting in the last Cyber fleet being trapped in the Time Vortex (tho given the Cybermen have survived in the new series they presumably escaped eventually and teamed up with leftover Pete's World Cybermen). Second all these things. Please Big Finish.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 11, 2017 18:18:11 GMT
I'm wondering if River will appear in this next run of boxsets, Alex Kingston has such great chemistry with McGann (dare I say it, I think the duo have better chemistry than she did with Matt Smith) and River's flirtatious, adventurous personality worked really well (from both a dramatic and comedic perspective) to contrast against Helen's more cautious personality. Also wondering if Helen's feelings of being an newcomer/third wheel to the tardis team, and something of outcast already before she met Liv and The Doctor will play into this next arc somehow, perhaps she still has some of the Sonomancer's power and the Eleven turns her... Yes, now that Big Finish has me spoiled with Doom Coalition into expecting a Stupendous Guest Star, I'm probably hoping it will be Carole Ann Ford, who would be equally stupendous in Gallifrey. As to Helen, I do like her and hope I can trust her fate to Big Finish - provided they're not already marginalizing her prior to doing her in. (They do such terrible things to some of their best creations sometimes, you know). :-)
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Post by fantasticalice on Oct 13, 2017 3:48:02 GMT
Why all the speculation about Liv and Helen, or Liv and River? One of the things that I have really come to loathe in modern storytelling is that two women can't seem to have a close, meaningful relationship without there being romance behind it. I've had a number of close relationships and deep connections with other women in my life, relationships that meant (and mean) the world to me at the time, and not one of them developed into anything more than what they were. Wonderful and meaningful friendships. They are certainly hard to come by, and I think in many ways more realistic and complex than turning it into a romantic relationship. I find that the easy and, honestly, least interesting route to take the characters.I Considering how much rabid homophobia still exists and how much I still face this is news to me. I was not aware that gay relationships were becoming a common fan excercise, but since straight relationships have been a common fan excercise at least it's more diverse now. As for Liv and Helen I haven't seen anything indicating people are trying to pair them up. It's clear Helen likes Woman but as for Liv I have always seen her as playing more asexual(although it has appranetly come up that Liv is pansexual) Except in Helen's case. I am slowly relistening to the range and am paying attention to what others have seen in regards to Helen as I didn't pick up on it. Liv has some lines and scenes with Helen in the finale that were very clear to me that something is going on there. Liv has often been so cold to Helen and there's several instances in the last set that Liv is actively concerned about losing Helen and one line in particular that had so much emotion in it it completely changed how I saw Liv Chenka and Helen's relationship. It was jealousy. And yes it did have to do with River, if I recall correctly. It's the way Nicola plays it more than anything. If it was a scene between Nyssa and Tegan it would have been played completely differently. It was also unusually emotional for Liv. I have since become very curious as to how Nicola played it. She's a master of understated romantic intent and it's agony watching her and Peter Firth in Spooks because of it. It is very possible Nicola is playing it that way on purpose. To take it in another direction which could still speak to a romantic nature I'm reminded of the Nyssa/Tegan comparison. For Nyssa it would have a lot to do with her being alone and even a little lost. When Live loses her mind over Helen running off with River(another time traveler) it could relate to a strong feeling of thinking she was special and it wasn't just Time Travel and yeah there I go again. I don't necessarily think Liv even realizes what's going on in her head as she's so stoic by nature but I just can't see her anger and jealousy over Helen leaving with River as not indicative of something far deeper she feels for Helen. I don't think she sees River as any kind of romantic rival, I just think she's very upset over Helen buggering off with a different time traveler and Liv losing her. Knowing Nicola's acting style I am curious what the future holds. And there is nothing even remotely lasy about a program that has had 54 years of strong female friendships finally having a lesbian relationship. I was ecstatic when I found out Helen was gay. Liv is already my dykey badass hero regardless who she likes but it really made my day. I love Bill Potts, she has a lot of heart but I have always preferred the out of time companions better and.. Helen is a very good character for someone who loves Benny Summerfield as much as I do. I still think it would be hilarious if it turned out Helen had met Barbara or Ian a few times. I think more likely that Susan wandered into her museum and had to be shooed out when it closed though!
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Oct 13, 2017 6:32:21 GMT
It's not like there's any shortage of non-romantic female companion teams in the Doctor Who universe (Tegan and Nyssa, Peri and Erimem, Ace and Benny, etc), whereas I can't think of one romantic one. So I wouldn't say it's the easy or least interesting option.
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Post by xlozdob on Oct 29, 2017 12:06:43 GMT
Seeing as this hasn't been posted here, I might as well do it myself:
Can't wait!
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