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Post by mark687 on Feb 13, 2018 21:12:20 GMT
Listening now
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Post by number13 on Feb 14, 2018 13:47:46 GMT
The 'Ghost Walk' poll has materialised... cast your vote and make your unseen presence count.... whooooo!
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Post by Bazoolium on Feb 14, 2018 19:50:24 GMT
That was excellent. It may have slightly slowed down in part 3, but not by much.
Fielding has some bloody brilliant scenes, one of which actually brought a tear to my eye. There was so much emotion in her voice.
Sarah Sutton was the same. I liked the juxtaposition between her being 'made' frightened and her much more level headed Nyssa-ness later.
Also, great to see the Doctor refer to the young age of his companions. Love this TADIS team.
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Post by relativetime on Feb 17, 2018 4:55:22 GMT
Finally got around to listening to the whole thing on a long drive.
I... didn't really care for it, actually. I just found it a bit difficult to follow and there were some moments I thought didn't connect very well or were either too distracting or too vague. I like out of order stories like Creatures of Beauty or The Rocket Men, but this one didn't really have a flow like those stories did. It's atmospheric, I'll give it that, and the regulars are absolutely fantastic. But the rest of the story didn't really hold up in my opinion.
Maybe this one'll hold up better on a repeat listen? Maybe I was too tired or too focused on driving or something? I'm all about second chances, so I'll give this one another shot in the future I think.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 12:24:48 GMT
I like this. I like the characters. I like the way the story leaps around. I like the dialogue, especially for the regulars (scenes between Tegan and The Doctor are wonderful). I like the villains so much that I really wanted to hear more from them. Stephen Grief has one of the most incredible voices and yet seems underused in this, and Caroline Seymour really is proving to be an indespensible Big Finish regular. I'm not sure if it is coincidence, but I found that Fenella Woolgar sounds rather like Jodie Whittaker here: Leanna is another really good character.
But most of all, I like this because it is creepy, full of growling whisperings and much jeopardy for the characters. Equally, it's really good to see the 'nice' Fifth Doctor entering into some darker, McCoy-like territory - just because he's fair, polite and charming, doesn't mean he can't occasionally share the attributes of other Doctors. After all, they're all the same person. Davison always delivers his dialogue brilliantly, and Big Finish have somewhat fulfilled his wish for the occasional joke (on television, the Fifth Doctor's sense of fun was curtailed by the producer who wanted to show a clear distinction between this Doctor and Tom Baker's frivolous version): lines like "I'm the Doctor; I'm the link you really shouldn't click," are much more effective and eccentric than what has become the standard televisual 'I'm the Doctor and I save people' or whatever.
Anyway - I really enjoyed this, as I did the 'extras' where, amongst other things, the actors discuss ghost stories, of which I'm a fan.
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Post by relativetime on Feb 19, 2018 1:39:13 GMT
Upon second listening, I found this to be far better than I initially thought it was. I think, in future, I'll refrain from making judgements after only a single sitting. This isn't the first time something something I initially had an unpleasant experience with turned out to be on the other side of the spectrum when I gave it another chance - in fact, that was my experience with a Fifth Doctor story from just two years ago, The Waters of Amsterdam.
I was wrong. And thank goodness for that.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 20, 2018 23:31:05 GMT
Well, that was rather good wasn’t it? All of a sudden the 5th Doctor trilogies are really, really good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 23:42:32 GMT
Well, that was rather good wasn’t it? All of a sudden the 5th Doctor trilogies are really, really good. The 2016 and 2017 Fifth trilogies were excellent so can't even slightly agree it's all of a sudden the Pedro D stuff has picked up but in general agreement - I used to almost dread the latest older Nyssa stories. I'm not sure there's ever been a blander (therefore worse) trilogy than Masquerade, Tomb Ship and Moonflesh - which is one of the worst BF stories in my book. That we've had 3 great trilogies with the 5th Doc back to back since thenis great and I think Davison has had the best stories in the 3 multi-Doc trilogies in that period - The Secret History from the Locum Trilogy, You Will Obey Me from the Master trilogy and Alien Heart, Dalek Soul from the 1h, 2 story sets last summer. Been a lovely few years for the Fifth Doc.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 21, 2018 0:10:24 GMT
Well David, I agree the last three trilogies and let us not forget Time in Office, have been outstanding but I’m making the comment because of the trilogy with Nyssa you reference. That one doesn’t seem like that long ago to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 0:12:35 GMT
Well David, I agree the last three trilogies and let us not forget Time in Office, have been outstanding but I’m making the comment because of the trilogy with Nyssa you reference. That one doesn’t seem like that long ago to me. Four years ago - we hadn't even had Capaldi's first series yet so quite a while ago now! The memory cheats, to quote JNT.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 21, 2018 0:14:51 GMT
It left a really negative taste in my mouth and got me really close to letting my subscription to the Main Range lapse.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 21, 2018 10:56:43 GMT
Well, that was rather good wasn’t it? All of a sudden the 5th Doctor trilogies are really, really good. The 2016 and 2017 Fifth trilogies were excellent so can't even slightly agree it's all of a sudden the Pedro D stuff has picked up but in general agreement - I used to almost dread the latest older Nyssa stories. I'm not sure there's ever been a blander (therefore worse) trilogy than Masquerade, Tomb Ship and Moonflesh - which is one of the worst BF stories in my book. That we've had 3 great trilogies with the 5th Doc back to back since thenis great and I think Davison has had the best stories in the 3 multi-Doc trilogies in that period - The Secret History from the Locum Trilogy, You Will Obey Me from the Master trilogy and Alien Heart, Dalek Soul from the 1h, 2 story sets last summer. Been a lovely few years for the Fifth Doc. Not sure about Secret History (personally I dislike it intently) and Obey Me is just as good as 2 Masters but otherwise I agree .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 11:22:11 GMT
The 2016 and 2017 Fifth trilogies were excellent so can't even slightly agree it's all of a sudden the Pedro D stuff has picked up but in general agreement - I used to almost dread the latest older Nyssa stories. I'm not sure there's ever been a blander (therefore worse) trilogy than Masquerade, Tomb Ship and Moonflesh - which is one of the worst BF stories in my book. That we've had 3 great trilogies with the 5th Doc back to back since thenis great and I think Davison has had the best stories in the 3 multi-Doc trilogies in that period - The Secret History from the Locum Trilogy, You Will Obey Me from the Master trilogy and Alien Heart, Dalek Soul from the 1h, 2 story sets last summer. Been a lovely few years for the Fifth Doc. Not sure about Secret History (personally I dislike it intently) and Obey Me is just as good as 2 Masters but otherwise I agree .
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I'm not saying Secret History is amazing on its own but next to the other two stories - Last Of The Cybermen in particular - it's Chimes Of Midnight quality
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Post by mark687 on Feb 21, 2018 13:05:01 GMT
I Like Last of the Cybermen!
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Post by number13 on Feb 21, 2018 14:20:17 GMT
I Like Last of the Cybermen!
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mark687 And so do I! It's a cracker of a cyber-story, the Sixie/Jamie matey rapport is great, Zoe gets a good story that uses her special gifts and I loved the Second Doctor era 'feel' and many references. {Spoiler} And the timey-wimey way the story unfolds. It took me three listens to sort it out properly! (And I also like 'The Secret History' btw )
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Post by mrperson on Feb 21, 2018 19:08:44 GMT
I'm posting this without reading the comments, as I'm only part-way through. This has the potential to be outstanding. A very original set-up, at the least.
We shall see...
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Post by mrperson on Feb 22, 2018 20:58:54 GMT
Well, I'd say more around 9/10. Enjoyed it quite a bit, and as I already indicated the beginning sure grabbed my attention. Definitely twisty-and-turny. As someone already said, it played out rather like one of Seven's plans, though not one of the ones that go off the rails....
I'd be interested to see the vote spread if the polls were 1-10 rather than 1-5. I voted 5, because I didn't want to round down.
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Post by number13 on Feb 23, 2018 0:49:17 GMT
Another month, another excellent MR release, with James Goss' time-haunted tale of ghost walking in a 21stC Northern City (which isn't named, but let's say it's Sheffield because I hear Sheffield is so on trend for 'Doctor Who' ) I'd expected a great story from the scenario and I got one, but it took me a while to realise just how good. On first listen, I thought it was a very strong 4*, but on second listen, everything in this complex story fell satisfyingly into place and I'd no doubt this was yet another 5* entry in the MR, which imo is going through an exceptional period. The all-star guest cast are excellent, as are the regulars of course, and the sound design and music are typically first-class. And the so-called "crowded TARDIS" crew feel just the right number in this adventure, with a strong storyline for all four of them. I'm a fan of classic ghost stories, which tend to be short and found in collections, and in a way that's what we have here - one long story almost broken down into a series of related short stories, even more so than the usual episodic structure of a four-parter, with no reprise to start the next episode and no direct follow-ons either. And set in no less than five different centuries, often overlapping. Complicated, but very rewarding. First, a seriously creepy 17thC 'haunted house' opener (OK, haunted vault), with the Doctor and friends trapped in the dark with no way out, blood on the walls and the torches failing one by one - and that sound... Then a splendid mini double-historical (part 18thC and part 19thC - but where were the ghosts in these stories? Has there ever been a more shocking double-jeopardy cliffhanger than the moment we realise that Nyssa and Adric are separately being made into ghosts before our very ears - and this Time, the Doctor isn't coming to save them - because he and Tegan might also be dead. Dead, but not gone... Which makes things rather tricky to follow at times, especially in the third episode with the Doctor appeaing twice, in two different times, one living and one - maybe not... 'Schrodinger’s Ghost', a great idea, death as a quantum state! And a seance in a 20thC student house and the exorcism of a ghost called... Tegan! Tricky indeed, but it's very well worth following (reading along with the script really might be worthwhile on a second listen - it's got the era noted at the start of each scene so the actors knew what was going on and when, so we can too!) And then the fourth and perhaps literally final episode (it seems), featuring a rising 'demon' and The End Of The World in the 21stC. And the Doctor doing some nifty piloting and seemingly driving the TARDIS through the laws of time. I'm still not sure, did the Doctor always rescue Nyssa and Adric before they died, or only that one time...? 'Schrodinger’s Ghost' again, perhaps. If he wasn't sure they had died, then he could save them... Spooky!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 23, 2018 0:58:55 GMT
Another month, another excellent MR release, with James Goss' time-haunted tale of ghost walking in a 21stC Northern City (which isn't named, but let's say it's Sheffield because I hear Sheffield is so on trend for 'Doctor Who' ) I'd expected a great story from the scenario and I got one, but it took me a while to realise just how good. On first listen, I thought it was a very strong 4*, but on second listen, everything in this complex story fell satisfyingly into place and I'd no doubt this was yet another 5* entry in the MR, which imo is going through an exceptional period. The all-star guest cast are excellent, as are the regulars of course, and the sound design and music are typically first-class. And the so-called "crowded TARDIS" crew feel just the right number in this adventure, with a strong storyline for all four of them. I'm a fan of classic ghost stories, which tend to be short and found in collections, and in a way that's what we have here - one long story almost broken down into a series of related short stories, even more so than the usual episodic structure of a four-parter, with no reprise to start the next episode and no direct follow-ons either. And set in no less than five different centuries, often overlapping. Complicated, but very rewarding. First, a seriously creepy 17thC 'haunted house' opener (OK, haunted vault), with the Doctor and friends trapped in the dark with no way out, blood on the walls and the torches failing one by one - and that sound... Then a splendid mini double-historical (part 18thC and part 19thC - but where were the ghosts in these stories? Has there ever been a more shocking double-jeopardy cliffhanger than the moment we realise that Nyssa and Adric are separately being made into ghosts before our very ears - and this Time, the Doctor isn't coming to save them - because he and Tegan might also be dead. Dead, but not gone... Which makes things rather tricky to follow at times, especially in the third episode with the Doctor appeaing twice, in two different times, one living and one - maybe not... 'Schrodinger’s Ghost', a great idea, death as a quantum state! And a seance in a 20thC student house and the exorcism of a ghost called... Tegan! Tricky indeed, but it's very well worth following (reading along with the script really might be worthwhile on a second listen - it's got the era noted at the start of each scene so the actors knew what was going on and when, so we can too!) And then the fourth and perhaps literally final episode (it seems), featuring a rising 'demon' and The End Of The World in the 21stC. And the Doctor doing some nifty piloting and seemingly driving the TARDIS through the laws of time. I'm still not sure, did the Doctor always rescue Nyssa and Adric before they died, or only that one time...? 'Schrodinger’s Ghost' again, perhaps. If he wasn't sure they had died, then he could save them... Spooky! Another excellent review and another excellent Main Range release.
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Post by number13 on Feb 23, 2018 12:38:22 GMT
Another month, another excellent MR release, with James Goss' time-haunted tale of ghost walking in a 21stC Northern City (which isn't named, but let's say it's Sheffield because I hear Sheffield is so on trend for 'Doctor Who' ) Another excellent review and another excellent Main Range release. Thanks very much, pleased you liked the review! One of those stories which is a challenge as well as entertainment - I had to work at 'getting it' and then it pays off splendidly. I like that sometimes, when the writers expect us to put a bit of effort in too!
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