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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 17, 2017 23:03:42 GMT
Speaking as the opposite of a casual Doctor Who fan I'm not worried at all about 12 being overshadowed by the 1st Doctor in his final story. Clara's story is done. It was done at least one time too many if you ask me. Bill on the other hand.... I just want the Christmas special to be, well, special. And what is more special than a multi-Doctor episode?
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Post by muckypup on Nov 17, 2017 23:18:48 GMT
I am glad we get 1st doc, capaldi’s doc is dead already his regen has started! I don’t want yet another empty episode waiting for the inevitable. Hell this might just be my last episode I enjoy, as every day I feel more unease at the direction the new team are going.
On paper at least this is Moffat’s parting gift of an episode, a bit of fun a last hurrah.
Hell bring in 8, 9, 10 & 11 along for the ride.
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Post by ollychops on Nov 17, 2017 23:26:09 GMT
I'm not sure why the casual fan would care that Capaldi is "sharing the spotlight" for his final episode. Casual fans don't get as involved, and will take the show as it is. It's more the die-hard fans (like us) who would be more concerned about it.
I, for one, don't mind that One is involved. I don't see it as sharing the spotlight, and it's purely plot-driven to mirror One and Twelve's situations, rather than doing a multi-Doctor story just for the sake of having a multi-Doctor story. Besides, having One and Twelve meet is rather special and fitting for his send-off IMO.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 17, 2017 23:54:52 GMT
Because 12, Clara and Missy are the three characters who sum up 12's era. So? Why does the regeneration story need to be a summary of his era? Because it's the last hurrah for the Peter Capaldi era. It should be a celebration of the era. Planet of the Spiders - A celebration of the Pertwee era Logopolis - Planned to be a celebration of the T Baker era, but none of his companions agreed to return. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways - A celebration of the Eccleston era (every key main/recurring character) The End of Time - A celebration of the Tennant era Time of the Doctor - A Celebration of the Smith era (Karen Gillan cameo, Trenzalore and conclusion to 11's long-running arc)
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Post by sherlock on Nov 18, 2017 0:00:52 GMT
So? Why does the regeneration story need to be a summary of his era? Because it's the last hurrah for the Peter Capaldi era. It should be a celebration of the era. Planet of the Spiders - A celebration of the Pertwee era Logopolis - Planned to be a celebration of the T Baker era, but none of his companions agreed to return. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways - A celebration of the Eccleston era (every key main/recurring character) The End of Time - A celebration of the Tennant era Time of the Doctor - A Celebration of the Smith era (Karen Gillan cameo, Trenzalore and conclusion to 11's long-running arc) Caves of Androzani - not a celebration of five's era in any way. Also stone cold brilliant. Logopolis - despite initial intentions it did not end up a celebration, and it's still really good (imo anyway) Besides other stories being celebrations is not in itself a reason to continue. A Regeneration story doesn't have to be a celebration, it has to be a good story, and I am unconvinced the return of Clara and Missy would achieve that.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 18, 2017 0:18:44 GMT
Because it's the last hurrah for the Peter Capaldi era. It should be a celebration of the era. Planet of the Spiders - A celebration of the Pertwee era Logopolis - Planned to be a celebration of the T Baker era, but none of his companions agreed to return. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways - A celebration of the Eccleston era (every key main/recurring character) The End of Time - A celebration of the Tennant era Time of the Doctor - A Celebration of the Smith era (Karen Gillan cameo, Trenzalore and conclusion to 11's long-running arc) Caves of Androzani - not a celebration of five's era in any way. Also stone cold brilliant. Logopolis - despite initial intentions it did not end up a celebration, and it's still really good (imo anyway) Besides other stories being celebrations is not in itself a reason to continue. A Regeneration story doesn't have to be a celebration, it has to be a good story, and I am unconvinced the return of Clara and Missy would achieve that. Fair enough, but in my view the end of anything should result in a Greatest Hits package.
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Post by xlozdob on Nov 18, 2017 0:30:44 GMT
So? Why does the regeneration story need to be a summary of his era? Because it's the last hurrah for the Peter Capaldi era. It should be a celebration of the era. Planet of the Spiders - A celebration of the Pertwee era Logopolis - Planned to be a celebration of the T Baker era, but none of his companions agreed to return. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways - A celebration of the Eccleston era (every key main/recurring character) The End of Time - A celebration of the Tennant era Time of the Doctor - A Celebration of the Smith era (Karen Gillan cameo, Trenzalore and conclusion to 11's long-running arc) Apart from what sherlock said about Caves (a new villain in Sherez Jek and a companion's second TV story) and Logopolis, TotD wasn't really a celebration of the Smith era (apart from Amy, perhaps) it was more trying to wrap up all the loose ends of that era because of its heavy arc component (I actually wouldn't have minded if they had given the arc another season liked they planned if Smith had stayed, with Capaldi and then have his second season be something new). Tenth Planet wasn't a celebration either, nor were The War Games, or the Ultimate Foe, for that matter (okay, maybe you could argue with Trial they didn't know for sure it was going to be Six's final story). And as for the Ninth and Tenth, RTD liked to do that sort of things at the end of all his series (I think I'm pretty safe to say all of BW/PotW, D/AoG, TSoD/TLotTL, TSE/TJE, had all of those seasons' key/main characters). And for that matter, Moffat's finales (especially the 11th doctor ones) do too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 0:49:07 GMT
It's not surprising at all. The casual audience generally won't care about Peter Capaldi sharing his regeneration story with another Doctor, as they are casual fans of the show and not geeky nerds like us. We are the ones who are supposed to take every little thing about the show seriously... but we don't care either because a multi-Doctor story is bloody exciting and seeing the First Doctor is way more interesting than seeing Clara again. (Although she'll surely have a cameo anyway.)
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 18, 2017 0:49:10 GMT
So? Why does the regeneration story need to be a summary of his era? Because it's the last hurrah for the Peter Capaldi era. It should be a celebration of the era. Granted that for the regeneration story to summarize an era is very fitting and not at all without precedent, but I really don't think there's any kind of law that it must be so. For me, it's really going to be a bonus episode with Capaldi in overtime rather than having to be his last stand, since I'm actually still a little surprised that the regeneration didn't already happen at the end of The Doctor Falls, and the more the merrier for it to be a multi-Doctor episode, something I think is too scarce especially with the New Series - but for it to be the very first Doctor is kind of priceless. Also, I think that bringing back Missy already for the special would be terribly anti-climatic to The Doctor Falls and likely to dilute it's poignancy, and quite possibly the same somewhat of Clara - although I'll understand if they do see fit for Clara to make an appearance.
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Post by bobod on Nov 18, 2017 1:25:44 GMT
"Logopolis - Planned to be a celebration of the T Baker era, but none of his companions agreed to return."
That's simply not true.
JNT asked Lis and then Lou to return so that the new Doctor had a familiar companion as he was concerned about the audience missing the longest serving Doctor. Nothing to do with a celebration of Tom's era.
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Post by bobod on Nov 18, 2017 1:29:55 GMT
"Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways - A celebration of the Eccleston era (every key main/recurring character)"
That's nonsense as well. It has the current cast in it... because they were the current cast.
No one is brought back for it especially. Not Pete. Not Margaret. Not Adam. Not Harriet.
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Post by rran on Nov 18, 2017 5:06:48 GMT
In my opinion it doesn’t matter if the regeneration episode is multi-doctor. Infact I would say the more the merrier Even in the past there have been multi-doctor episodes without the focus going away from the incumbent doctor. So I feel there’s nothing to worry about. Let’s sit back and enjoy the show
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 18, 2017 6:18:19 GMT
12 has been regenerating since the opening scene of World Enough And Time: that's two episodes ago. Given that 12 is reluctant to regenerate, it doesn't take a genius to realise that this story will be about him accepting that he has to do so. I don't think that revisiting the first time he did that is going to turn casual viewers off: it's far less reliant on fan knowledge than some of the other things we've had to deal with in recent memory.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 18, 2017 6:54:31 GMT
"Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways - A celebration of the Eccleston era (every key main/recurring character)" That's nonsense as well. It has the current cast in it... because they were the current cast. No one is brought back for it especially. Not Pete. Not Margaret. Not Adam. Not Harriet. Unless I'm wrong, it wasn't even supposed to be his last episode, was it? I thought his decision to leave was pretty late in the game and the episode's end was changed accordingly. Did I also read somewhere that it was supposed to lead into New Earth (since the Christmas special was a late addition) with Rose being sick from going all Bad Wolf and the Doctor (still being very much Christopher Eccleston) needing to take her to the hospital? Or was that just something someone made up?
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 18, 2017 9:20:30 GMT
It don't bother me we have two Doctor's in the Christmas Special it looks to be a great episode.
I'm more worried about what's to follow in 2018 than having a Two Doctor's Special.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 18, 2017 9:57:00 GMT
"Logopolis - Planned to be a celebration of the T Baker era, but none of his companions agreed to return." That's simply not true. JNT asked Lis and then Lou to return so that the new Doctor had a familiar companion as he was concerned about the audience missing the longest serving Doctor. Nothing to do with a celebration of Tom's era. Asking for a companion to return for a Doctor's regeneration surely counts as a celebration plan, even if said returnee stays on.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 18, 2017 9:58:40 GMT
"Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways - A celebration of the Eccleston era (every key main/recurring character)" That's nonsense as well. It has the current cast in it... because they were the current cast. No one is brought back for it especially. Not Pete. Not Margaret. Not Adam. Not Harriet. Exactly. It has the current cast in it, therefore a summary of the Eccleston era.
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Post by bobod on Nov 18, 2017 10:05:17 GMT
"Logopolis - Planned to be a celebration of the T Baker era, but none of his companions agreed to return." That's simply not true. JNT asked Lis and then Lou to return so that the new Doctor had a familiar companion as he was concerned about the audience missing the longest serving Doctor. Nothing to do with a celebration of Tom's era. Asking for a companion to return for a Doctor's regeneration surely counts as a celebration plan, even if said returnee stays on. Not if you're not planning a celebration, it doesn't. By virtue of what words actually mean.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 18, 2017 10:07:47 GMT
Asking for a companion to return for a Doctor's regeneration surely counts as a celebration plan, even if said returnee stays on. Not if you're not planning a celebration, it doesn't. By virtue of what words actually mean. Eh? Past elements of an era are exactly how you do a celebration.
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Post by bobod on Nov 18, 2017 10:08:29 GMT
"Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways - A celebration of the Eccleston era (every key main/recurring character)" That's nonsense as well. It has the current cast in it... because they were the current cast. No one is brought back for it especially. Not Pete. Not Margaret. Not Adam. Not Harriet. Exactly. It has the current cast in it, therefore a summary of the Eccleston era. The words 'summary' and 'celebration' do not mean the same thing. And as pointed out after my reply, that story wasn't even written as Eccleston's last just as a season finale.
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