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Post by masterdoctor on Dec 8, 2017 23:01:34 GMT
First off, I don’t mean the people are dead set against a female doctor, I mean the people who watch the new series with open mindedness and end up not liking it. Because, honestly, I’m more and more worried that anyone with a less than stellar review of Series 11 will be marked as sexist, misogynistic etc. whether or not they are being so. What are people’s thoughts on this.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 8, 2017 23:10:32 GMT
All critique posts would have to start with "This is Not because its a Female Doctor then ( and its a bit sad that someone would have to make it that clear) then it will discussed and debated as usual
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 23:25:44 GMT
Let's get our protests against a female Doctor in early... and beat the Christmas rush. That'll show 'em!
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Post by jasonward on Dec 9, 2017 0:52:20 GMT
It's rating that will matter, not reviews.
If ratings drop, the blame will be assigned to it being a female Doctor and the idea will be dropped with a reversion to a male Doctor. If ratings go up, it will be assign to it being a female Doctor and we will be looking forward to a few more female Doctors in the not so distant future.
I actually see this as a breathing space for Who, those that worry that Who isn't performing well enough to justify the BBC investing it in will have a clear enemy to blame and a quick resolution to fix.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Dec 9, 2017 1:50:07 GMT
You'd think they would expect that, and therefore simply try to knock it out of the park for 11, you'd hope. So hopefully no moon spider-esque kak.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Dec 9, 2017 3:46:22 GMT
I suggest we use the mind probe.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 9, 2017 3:53:26 GMT
That’s easy. We ignore them because they’re wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 8:30:48 GMT
*shrug* The same way that accusations of age in Twelve or youth in Eleven were handled. If it's constructive, thoughtful and evenhanded in its analysis, that's perfectly fine. If it's a tirade which circles around a singular point like an angry shark, that's not so fine. It's fairly easy to tell one from the other after a certain length of the conversation: one is being talked to, the other is being talked at. If it moves from critique into slander where they're repeatedly attacking the actor herself... Then, it'll be tended to accordingly as before.
For the sake of sanity though and if it were me -- might very well be me in the future, who knows? -- I'd focus any criticisms on the stories themselves rather than the Doctor. Start off with what was good and entertaining, then roll back to what didn't work. Even if it's a story like Time-Flight where you have to tilt your head and squint.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Dec 9, 2017 12:51:13 GMT
That’s easy. We ignore them because they’re wrong. So, everyone that doesn't agree with you, is wrong?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 9, 2017 13:53:01 GMT
In this scenario those of us who like the new era would have to urge the others who aren't enjoying it to be as positive to be as positive as possible to stop the first female Doctor being seen as a failure.
It is absolutely vital that this fanbase is positive about the Chibnall era so that the higher-ups don't get the wrong idea that a female Doctor doesn't work (it absolutely will).
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Post by muckypup on Dec 9, 2017 13:58:29 GMT
personally I think this will be the most difficult time for the TV doctor.......everything is at stake......the BBC must have faith in chibnall's ideas for now at least. they will make a good go at getting it right, but good intentions can lead to disaster! and I fear that's the path they are currently on.
I have to agree with the original poster that please please people on here (the sane insane!) however you feel, to remember that we are all entitled to our views, misogynistic inclined or not its a tv program (not the real world!) we are discussing and we need to keep the veiled attacks and unveiled attacks on people away from here.
me I am currently in the hate everything I am reading and seeing about all changes (certainly not just the gender politics issue), but am open minded to see how it goes but very dubious as to weather or not I can freely air my views any longer the insults I received both on and off here make me wonder if its worth bothering and I suspect I am not alone.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 9, 2017 13:58:47 GMT
It's rating that will matter, not reviews. If ratings drop, the blame will be assigned to it being a female Doctor and the idea will be dropped with a reversion to a male Doctor. If ratings go up, it will be assign to it being a female Doctor and we will be looking forward to a few more female Doctors in the not so distant future. I actually see this as a breathing space for Who, those that worry that Who isn't performing well enough to justify the BBC investing it in will have a clear enemy to blame and a quick resolution to fix. There is no way they'd get rid of Jodie Whittaker. Regardless of the viewing figures she will be here to stay. The moment you replace her with a man you'd be saying women can't play the Doctor, which would be heavily criticised in the media.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 9, 2017 14:00:13 GMT
In this scenario those of us who like the new era would have to urge the others who aren't enjoying it to be as positive to be as positive as possible to stop the first female Doctor being seen as a failure. It is absolutely vital that this fanbase is positive about the Chibnall era so that the higher-ups don't get the wrong idea that a female Doctor doesn't work (it absolutely will). And that's the problem nobody can be absolutely sure it will work but this time they'll have a ready excuse ( to be clear I hope it will be good) and swapping back to a man would be considered the easiest way to fix it.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 9, 2017 14:10:07 GMT
Slightly off topic in recent interviews Moffatt has dismissed low ratings as an absolute balderdash thing to worry about "it still sells very well in the worldwide market".
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 9, 2017 14:13:07 GMT
In this scenario those of us who like the new era would have to urge the others who aren't enjoying it to be as positive to be as positive as possible to stop the first female Doctor being seen as a failure. It is absolutely vital that this fanbase is positive about the Chibnall era so that the higher-ups don't get the wrong idea that a female Doctor doesn't work (it absolutely will). And that's the problem nobody can be absolutely sure it will work and that's the trouble this time they'll have a ready excuse ( to be clear I hope it will be good) and swapping back to a man would be considered the easiest way to fix it.
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But we need to communicate to the BBC publically through online comments that in this scenario any negativity is not because the first female Doctor is not working. That's why it is vital for the first series at least that we all at the bare minimum point out one positive thing even if we hate an episode. The last thing that needs to happen is the press seeing any totally negative comments and calling the first female Doctor 'a disaster'.
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Post by jasonward on Dec 9, 2017 14:13:23 GMT
It's rating that will matter, not reviews. If ratings drop, the blame will be assigned to it being a female Doctor and the idea will be dropped with a reversion to a male Doctor. If ratings go up, it will be assign to it being a female Doctor and we will be looking forward to a few more female Doctors in the not so distant future. I actually see this as a breathing space for Who, those that worry that Who isn't performing well enough to justify the BBC investing it in will have a clear enemy to blame and a quick resolution to fix. There is no way they'd get rid of Jodie Whittaker. Regardless of the viewing figures she will be here to stay. The moment you replace her with a man you'd be saying women can't play the Doctor, which would be heavily criticised in the media. It's almost like your saying that the popular press isn't reactionary. I'm not going to argue with you on this point, I'm just going to say if Jodie's doctor is judged a failure, of course she would be replaced, whether that judgement is right or wrong.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 9, 2017 14:14:16 GMT
In this scenario those of us who like the new era would have to urge the others who aren't enjoying it to be as positive to be as positive as possible to stop the first female Doctor being seen as a failure. It is absolutely vital that this fanbase is positive about the Chibnall era so that the higher-ups don't get the wrong idea that a female Doctor doesn't work (it absolutely will). But we haven't seen Jodie in an actual scene yet (unless you count the reveal, which I don't, because it didn't suggest anything about her characterization), so we don't actually know what any of it will be like yet. And it would be silly just so assume it is bad because it is a woman in the role or good because it is a woman in the role. We haven't seen anything yet. I know, but this thread is talking about a scenario where there is a negative reception to Series 11.
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Post by jasonward on Dec 9, 2017 14:15:44 GMT
And that's the problem nobody can be absolutely sure it will work and that's the trouble this time they'll have a ready excuse ( to be clear I hope it will be good) and swapping back to a man would be considered the easiest way to fix it.
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But we need to communicate to the BBC publically through online comments that in this scenario any negativity is not because the first female Doctor is not working. That's why it is vital for the first series at least that we all at the bare minimum point out one positive thing even if we hate an episode. The last thing that needs to happen is the press seeing any totally negative comments and calling the first female Doctor 'a disaster'. No. Just no, so totally no, no, no and NO! Your suggesting we give positive feedback regardless of what we actually think, in other words you are telling us to lie in order to pursue a political end. Watch the show, give genuine feedback about the show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 14:19:06 GMT
Slightly off topic in recent interviews Moffatt has dismissed low ratings as an absolute balderdash thing to worry about "it still sells very well in the worldwide market". Regards mark687 What he says is true. However, that's exactly what they said during the mid-1980s when Colin's second series was put of hiatus for 18 months. Not that I would argue with Mr Moffat, but the BBC has to be seen to be providing programming that is popular in the UK first and foremost.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 9, 2017 14:20:00 GMT
There is no way they'd get rid of Jodie Whittaker. Regardless of the viewing figures she will be here to stay. The moment you replace her with a man you'd be saying women can't play the Doctor, which would be heavily criticised in the media. It's almost like your saying that the popular press isn't reactionary. I'm not going to argue with you on this point, I'm just going to say if Jodie's doctor is judged a failure, of course she would be replaced, whether that judgement is right or wrong. The BBC is under a lot of scrutiny. If they replaced the first female Doctor they would be heavily criticised of sexism, and it would possibly lead to the down-fall of the BBC. The government would certainly make things harder for them.
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