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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 13, 2017 16:15:30 GMT
There's a very vocal section of the fan base who often accuse Moffat of 'fan-service', but he makes a very good point here about it here: www.tvchoicemagazine.co.uk/interviewextra/article//steven-moffat-doctor-who-1Personally the decision to bring back the First Doctor at Christmas is the only time I've thought 'That seems like it's purely for us fans' but actually he may have changed my mind on that. I can totally see his argument that a kid would see it and think 'Wow, that's the very first Doctor'. It does have a certain significance in the mythology of the show that, say, the Eighth Doctor who many have been asking for the return of doesn't have. EDIT: I was unsure about the Movellans in The Pilot and the Mondasian Cybermen in World Enough And Time/The Doctor Falls as well, but the former turned out to be little more than an Easter egg and the latter was justified by the narrative. So both were non-issues really, and my concerns with the First Doctor at Christmas possibly overshadowing 12 may turn out that way too. |
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Post by melkur on Dec 13, 2017 21:23:23 GMT
Not going to lie, when I saw the title of this thread, I thought you were talking about the (ahem) "other" fan-service...
In terms of referencing previous stories, I don't mind it so much every once in a while, but when it just keeps piling up? I'm not so sure...
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Post by omega on Dec 13, 2017 21:46:35 GMT
Not going to lie, when I saw the title of this thread, I thought you were talking about the (ahem) "other" fan-service... In terms of referencing previous stories, I don't mind it so much every once in a while, but when it just keeps piling up? I'm not so sure... We got Amy's legs. |
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 14, 2017 9:44:24 GMT
I think there's a lot of easter eggs for hardcore fans but i don't find them getting in the way of the story. Casual viewers (like my wife) can watch them and get the gist of the story but then I can get a lot of the "deep-nerd-space" references and squee all over them and that puts her off until I explain them and then she's annoyed because there are extra layers that don't add anything to the story but are there precisely to make otherwise-fairly-sensible middle-aged-people-with-sensible-jobs giggle like a child.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 7:05:02 GMT
Absolutely. I always have to kind of smile at fanservice because it's something that only tends to niggle us fans. One of my first stories was Attack of the Cybermen and knowing nothing about the Doctor, Mondas, Telos, Lytton, the Chameleon Circuit, the Laws of Time *inhales* and The Invasion, I wasn't actually lost in it. Same is true of Remembrance of the Daleks, but looking back on it now... I do think that Remembrance managed to pass it off a great deal better than Attack because they were little kisses to the past in a story meant to relaunch the show in an entirely different direction. If you took all those references out, it would still be a really good story. That said, nowadays I'm in the camp that think Season 22 should have had two sequel and four original stories rather than the other way around, so small doses work best, personally. I'm much more interested in what original ideas can come from writers' heads -- Viyrans, Galyari, Selachians, Chelonians, Time Sprites, Rocket Men, Eminence, etc. Using the First Doctor in their finale is definitely fanservice. 100%. But then... As a final hurrah and being in the unique (and somewhat miraculous) position of having another Richard Hurndall, it makes perfect sense to build a multi-Doctor story around them both. Twice Upon a Time is likely going to be an encore performance after The Doctor Falls, a bit of fun and lightness before we say goodbye. After last season's efforts to push forward with original ideas, even with Missy and the Cybermen, I'm willing to give it a pass. It's the last time they'll be able to do it and it's fun. (...still think that the Curator is actually Tom Baker in-universe though.  ) |
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Post by Ela on Dec 20, 2017 23:16:19 GMT
I think there's a lot of easter eggs for hardcore fans but i don't find them getting in the way of the story. Casual viewers (like my wife) can watch them and get the gist of the story but then I can get a lot of the "deep-nerd-space" references and squee all over them and that puts her off until I explain them and then she's annoyed because there are extra layers that don't add anything to the story but are there precisely to make otherwise-fairly-sensible middle-aged-people-with-sensible-jobs giggle like a child. I have the same situation with my spouse. Except he doesn't get annoyed. I think he's a bit bemused about how obsessed I am with all this. |
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