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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 9, 2018 10:03:55 GMT
So I just went to vote for Peter Capaldi for the NTAs...and he's not in there. I find it a bit disrespectful that voters couldn't be bothered to give him the recognition he deserved in his final year. Any other year I can understand but you would think in his final year people would have had the heart to show him some kindness for the final time he is legible for nomination for this part.
It's basically a personal insult towards Peter Capaldi, even more so given that people didn't even bother to vote Doctor Who into the Best Drama category.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2018 10:23:59 GMT
No its not an insult its a statement by the general viewing public.
Somehow the Moffatt Era failed to engage with them, and that's either down to the style of storytelling or the leads didn't have the right mix of maturity and likeability that Tennant has in their eyes (He's still nominated for Broadchurch) The bigger snub for me is Pearl Mackie, one of the best supporting artist roles seen on the show in many years.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 9, 2018 11:31:01 GMT
I don't know who decides whose nominated (can't find rules on website), but with the BAFTAs, it's Producers, tv stations, directors, writers and actors that make the nominations.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 9, 2018 11:44:01 GMT
No its not an insult its a statement by the general viewing public. Somehow the Moffatt Era failed to engage with them, and that's either down to the style of storytelling or the leads didn't have the right mix of maturity and likeability that Tennant has in their eyes (He's still nominated for Broadchurch) The bigger snub for me is Pearl Mackie, one of the best supporting artist roles seen on the show in many years. Regards mark687 The same Moffat era that saw the show become a bigger international success? It deserves some recognition for that above the likes of Call The Midwife and Doctor Foster, which would never manage to do it. Pearl Mackie being voted into the shortlist above Peter Capaldi in Peter Capaldi's final year as the Doctor would have been ridiculous IMO.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 9, 2018 11:44:17 GMT
I don't know who decides whose nominated (can't find rules on website), but with the BAFTAs, it's Producers, tv stations, directors, writers and actors that make the nominations. It's the GBP.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2018 11:47:37 GMT
I don't know who decides whose nominated (can't find rules on website), but with the BAFTAs, it's Producers, tv stations, directors, writers and actors that make the nominations. NTA's is voted on solely by the British viewing public
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2018 11:53:54 GMT
No its not an insult its a statement by the general viewing public. Somehow the Moffatt Era failed to engage with them, and that's either down to the style of storytelling or the leads didn't have the right mix of maturity and likeability that Tennant has in their eyes (He's still nominated for Broadchurch) The bigger snub for me is Pearl Mackie, one of the best supporting artist roles seen on the show in many years. Regards mark687 The same Moffat era that saw the show become a bigger international success? It deserves some recognition for that above the likes of Call The Midwife and Doctor Foster, which would never manage to do it. Pearl Mackie being voted into the shortlist above Peter Capaldi in Peter Capaldi's final year as the Doctor would have been ridiculous IMO. But not a UK success viewer figures dropped on the weekly series episodes, and Peal did better with the role then Karen and even Jenna ever did ( Bill was a character that was both believable and likeable)
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 9, 2018 12:00:13 GMT
I don't know who decides whose nominated (can't find rules on website), but with the BAFTAs, it's Producers, tv stations, directors, writers and actors that make the nominations. NTA's is voted on solely by British the viewing public
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I said "nominated", not voted!
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2018 12:09:59 GMT
NTA's is voted on solely by British the viewing public
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I said "nominated", not voted! My Apologies
The nominees is a list of everything and everyone that was on TV in the UK that year which the public vote on to produce a shortlist, which the public vote on again to produce a winner in each category.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 9, 2018 12:12:05 GMT
I said "nominated", not voted! My Apologies
The nominees is a list of everything and everyone that was on TV in the UK that year which the public vote on to produce a shortlist, which the public vote on again to produce a winner in each category.
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That makes sense. You'd have to blame the Doctor Who fans for not voting then. There are 5 million of them, and they are obsessed.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2018 12:18:10 GMT
My Apologies
The nominees is a list of everything and everyone that was on TV in the UK that year which the public vote on to produce a shortlist, which the public vote on again to produce a winner in each category.
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That makes sense. You'd have to blame the Doctor Who fans for not voting then. There are 5 million of them, and they are obsessed. Well yes it does imply that if the show had still been pulling 8 million+ viewers a week ...
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 9, 2018 12:24:11 GMT
That makes sense. You'd have to blame the Doctor Who fans for not voting then. There are 5 million of them, and they are obsessed. Well yes it does imply that if the show had still been pulling 8 million+ viewers a week ...
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I'm sure there are more hardcore fans of DW going about, than the numbers who voted for the other nominees! And, I'm constantly told that ratings for every tv show are dropping too.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2018 13:01:27 GMT
Well yes it does imply that if the show had still been pulling 8 million+ viewers a week ...
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I'm sure there are more hardcore fans of DW going about, than the numbers who voted for the other nominees! Maybe
We'll see what happens next year when we have a young (hopefully portrayed as likeable woman) assisted by a popular Gameshow Host (who is actually a pretty decent Actor as well)
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Post by jasonward on Jan 9, 2018 13:18:03 GMT
I don't know who decides whose nominated (can't find rules on website), but with the BAFTAs, it's Producers, tv stations, directors, writers and actors that make the nominations. It's the GBP. Then you need to consider that you are the person out of step here, the world does not conform itself to you, and if you go through life expecting it to, you will have very painful and unfulfilled experience, and your obsession with Who and all things Who is not shared by the majority of the population, nor do they see the need to support your views and what you think important, indeed in general, the majority of the population doesn't give two hoots what you think. Please stop demanding the world conform to your views and only your views.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 13:33:33 GMT
It's simply a sign of the decline in public image the show's had the last few years. Plus the main series was months ago and voting took place before the Christmas special was on - it's hardly a surprise Peter and the show failed to make the shortlist.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 14:19:49 GMT
Both Peter and Pearl made the longlist though... I voted for them.
I'm not sure what the fuss is all about here, not that many people voted for them in a year filled with great stuff like Broadchurch and Line of Duty which both have double the live viewing figures of Who. And yes- live figures do matter. If people really thought the show to be unmissable then they would watch it live like all the other top tier dramas out there.
But then again, is it really that bad to miss out on the NTA shortlist? Is it really a betrayal? It's not great for the show right now that its fans aren't turning out for it but nobody ever remembers these things about a week later anyway.
You've got to understand that awards are a privilege- an added extra- not a God-given right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 15:12:38 GMT
I think it is a little telling that Peter was the only Doctor never to be shortlisted, if nothing else. Eccleston won for his only series, Tennant won four times out of four, and Matt was nominated four times and won twice. Peter never got past the longlist stage for any of the three times he was eligible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 15:23:48 GMT
I would assume that those who can even be bothered to vote in such things, which right there is already a skewered demographic even in itself, are only allowed to vote for a single person/creative team/program in each category. I've been a Who fan since the 70's, it's the show I love most. But it is not, objectively, the best show on television. At its very best it can be, but on the whole, it just isn't. Likewise, I love Peter Capaldi, he's my favourite new series Doctor, and I'll miss him greatly. But he did not give the best performance of any male lead actor on television this past year. That doesn't mean his performance wasn't great, and a joy to watch, but absolute best of the year across all of television? To me, no. As such, as much as I love the show, and found the last series to be Capaldi's Doctors strongest and most enjoyable overall, if I were voting my single vote wouldn't have gone towards Peter Capaldi as best male lead actor or Doctor Who as best TV show either.
Not being nominated isn't an insult, it isn't some kind of slight or judgement against the actors or the show, it isn't lack of respect, nor is it any kind of anti-Who conspiracy. At most it's reflective of what the majority of voters genuinely remember by the time voting rolls around, at least it's a popularity competition at least partially flamed by the shows that get the biggest media push and most exposure during the time of the voting process, mixed with the selection of shows that get reliably nominated every year and become habit. It is what it is. As such, assigning ulterior motives or false significance to it seems rather pointless.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jan 10, 2018 6:39:36 GMT
I think it is a little telling that Peter was the only Doctor never to be shortlisted, if nothing else. Eccleston won for his only series, Tennant won four times out of four, and Matt was nominated four times and won twice. Peter never got past the longlist stage for any of the three times he was eligible. It tells us that the public are never to be considered when making art, because they're almost always wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 11:00:01 GMT
I think it is a little telling that Peter was the only Doctor never to be shortlisted, if nothing else. Eccleston won for his only series, Tennant won four times out of four, and Matt was nominated four times and won twice. Peter never got past the longlist stage for any of the three times he was eligible. It tells us that the public are never to be considered when making art, because they're almost always wrong. Ha! Whilst it would be nice for Doctor Who to be represented, two of the most popular shows on UK television are Britain's Got Talent, featuring an hysterical audience howling to the sound of wannabe celebrities, and I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here, featuring a variety of mistreated animals and insects howling to the sound of past-it celebrities! Hardly a yardstick of quality television (but that's just my opinion).
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