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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 14, 2018 4:37:08 GMT
Very recently, Big Finish could not give away A Rebellion Reborn to me at an amazing bargain price even though I'm probably a completist with B7 audio, because there are just too many recasts of surviving actors. I'm not usually wanting stories with any particular characters so badly that I want recasts, although I do think Big Finish has done some great ones that I really do like, including a couple of terribly tough ones to sell me - Barnabas Collins and the Third Doctor.
It does carry some weight with me to have co-stars on board with recasts, it means quite a bit to me that Katy accepts Tim Treloar in the Third Doctor role for example (as it also means a lot that 1st and 2nd Doctor performers Russell, Purves, and Hines performed on the show with the originals) - but the Third Doctor is still kind of a special case for a number of reasons. I'm not at all sure that would be enough to sell me on other recast Doctors. I might manage to live with such recasts with some effort, but I don't seem to have a lot of enthusiasm offhand for the idea of recasts of the Brig or Sarah Jane.
The 1DA recasts I did struggle with all the more for trying to become accustomed to more than one recast at once and I've still not quite got used to it all yet. I'm actually glad Carole Ann Ford wasn't in it provided she isn't upset about it, but only because I think it's fair enough that the AAISAT actors continued as they started and arrived as a package deal, and because the hardest thing I'd have to adjust to is hearing Carole Ann opposite The Doctor but not opposite classic cast, William Russell especially who's been Ian and the Doctor.
If they have do so something new with Susan aside from solo narrations and moving her story forward to the Time War or Gallifrey or later Doctor adventures, I think I'd as soon they perhaps consider having Peter Purves play the Doctor opposite her Susan (if it were alright with everyone involved) for the odd story in the box sets before casting her opposite three new recasts.
Also, I don't know if I agree that any surviving performers are "too old" for audios - they may be entitled to well-earned retirements, but I don't know if you're ever too old to tell stories, and I don't know why they can't appear at any age in audios recounting past adventures if they like.
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Post by pillicock on Jan 14, 2018 11:59:05 GMT
I think the next recast, when/if there is one, will be new Brigadier for the Third Doctor Adventures.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 14, 2018 12:27:58 GMT
Everyone will have a different take on recasts especially who they would and who they wouldn’t accept.
For me it all comes down to who I have grown up with
First Doctor The first First Doctor for me was Richard Hundle. I am looking forward to listening to the new 1st Doctor Adventures when my boxset arrives.
Second Doctor If Big Finish was to produce an all new set up I would probably give it a go because I have no real connection to that period. But I would also have to question the need for any such release.
Third Doctor I started watching Doctor Who with the Third Doctor, but it isn’t one of my favourite eras. I have only bought the initial Tim Treloar set and have no real desire for more.
Fourth Doctor I may have been open to the idea before Tom joined Big Finish. But now he has I wouldn’t accept any substitute!
And that is the same for all the other more recent Doctors. We have so many different Doctors and companions available to us so why do we need recasts?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 12:50:29 GMT
We have so many different Doctors and companions available to us so why do we need recasts? Because some people, like me, want new full-cast adventures featuring Doctors/companions who were portrayed by actors that are sadly no longer with us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 15:29:03 GMT
When Nicholas Courtney was unavailable to play The Brigadiar for The Android Invasion on television, his character was re-written as Colonel Faraday. Faraday was played by Patrick Newell, who was perhaps better known as Mother from The Avengers. Sadly, Patrick Newell is no longer with us, so Big Finish have cast Christopher Benjamin as Mother for their upcoming Avengers set. So, to keep things neat and tidy, why not re-introduce Colonel Faraday to the 3DAs, played by Christopher Benjamin? I'd buy it! But then, I'd buy it anyway
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 14, 2018 16:23:40 GMT
I do hope that they recast Dodo. I don’t think there’s any chance of Jackie Lane doing Big Finish because she hasn’t had anything to do with it since she left except that one 50th Anniversary thing. I’d like to see Dodo get some development and if they can get a decent actress and Jackie’s approval, I don’t see why they shouldn’t.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 14, 2018 19:10:15 GMT
I'll accept any recasting of deceased actors, but living actors I'd rather weren't. If they're not available, wait until they are.
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Post by kurumais on Jan 14, 2018 23:08:31 GMT
I'm very pro-recasting myself, as long as the performance is good and as long as the new actor respects the initial one enough to do the homework. Basically I'm saying everyone has to live up to the example set forth by Eliot Chapman and Tim Treloar. As for the actors that have passed away more recently (Nick Courtney, Lis Sladen, Caroline John, Debbie Watling and John Hurt), I trust Big Finish's judgement. They worked with and admired these people enough to know when it's appropriate, I think. i didn't even think about john hurt. i am having trouble getting into the war doctor even though i really liked him in the day of the doctor. he put a ton of enthusiasm and fun into the role. i would like to hear a young gung ho war doctor. when he was the warrior he asked the sister of karn turned him into. i would love for BF to find the right young actor to play that.
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Post by kurumais on Jan 14, 2018 23:13:16 GMT
I do hope that they recast Dodo. I don’t think there’s any chance of Jackie Lane doing Big Finish because she hasn’t had anything to do with it since she left except that one 50th Anniversary thing. I’d like to see Dodo get some development and if they can get a decent actress and Jackie’s approval, I don’t see why they shouldn’t. that first doctor sure had a lot of companions.
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Post by constonks on Jan 15, 2018 2:19:14 GMT
I'm very pro-recasting myself, as long as the performance is good and as long as the new actor respects the initial one enough to do the homework. Basically I'm saying everyone has to live up to the example set forth by Eliot Chapman and Tim Treloar. As for the actors that have passed away more recently (Nick Courtney, Lis Sladen, Caroline John, Debbie Watling and John Hurt), I trust Big Finish's judgement. They worked with and admired these people enough to know when it's appropriate, I think. i didn't even think about john hurt. i am having trouble getting into the war doctor even though i really liked him in the day of the doctor. he put a ton of enthusiasm and fun into the role. i would like to hear a young gung ho war doctor. when he was the warrior he asked the sister of karn turned him into. i would love for BF to find the right young actor to play that. In time, I think they'd do that before casting an old War Doctor, but it'll be a while I think. The idea was mentioned to ol' Briggsy in his latest Q&A though. It's kind of not a recast, though, but merely someone playing the man that will *become* the character that John Hurt played. It's more like Caitlin Blackwood and Karen Gillan than Pertwee and Treloar. But, still, some time would respectful and appropriate.
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Post by mrperson on Jan 15, 2018 16:45:53 GMT
I wish they would stick with just recasting the dead actors. I loved the new First Doctor boxset, but I didn’t think it was necessary to recast Susan. Ian, I can understand, since Russell is about a million years old, but there was no reason they couldn’t bring in Carole Ann Ford. I also don’t get why they’re recasting Ten and Eleven. Tennant has already done two boxsets for BF, and it is always possible that he will do more in the future. Smith hasn’t done any yet, but he may do more someday. I would rather wait for the real Doctors, when possible, then go with a cheap knock off.Wait... they're doing what?
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Post by mrperson on Jan 15, 2018 16:46:56 GMT
I wish they would stick with just recasting the dead actors. I loved the new First Doctor boxset, but I didn’t think it was necessary to recast Susan. Ian, I can understand, since Russell is about a million years old, but there was no reason they couldn’t bring in Carole Ann Ford. I also don’t get why they’re recasting Ten and Eleven. Tennant has already done two boxsets for BF, and it is always possible that he will do more in the future. Smith hasn’t done any yet, but he may do more someday. I would rather wait for the real Doctors, when possible, then go with a cheap knock off. But they aren’t recasting Ten and Eleven, they are doing narrated stories which feature the doctor being read by someone else along with all the other characters, bar one, in the story. They aren’t just doing specifically a performance of Ten or Eleven. Nick Briggs did the Ninth Doctor chronicles, and the Destiny of the Doctor story for Nine years ago, and at no point when he read the Doctor, or Rose for that matter, did I think that he was recast. Oh, ok. Agreed that that isn't a "recast".
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Post by mrperson on Jan 15, 2018 16:53:18 GMT
Anyway, count me with the people who only want to see recasts of the departed, or those who due to physical circumstances cannot or do not want to perform the role.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 15, 2018 17:15:15 GMT
My own thoughts on this are: 1. Recasts are OK provided a decent/respectful interval has passed since the original actor's death. Don't ask me to define how long is "decent" however ... 2. Even without a decent interval, there is a difference between an impersonator doing a cameo which is OK and a full recast of the central role which is not 3. We fans are far too sentimental about these things! From what I know of the acting profession the ethos is one of "the show must go on" and when a performer passes away a role is recast or a script is rewritten.
If BF can recast Dayna because Josette Simon is unwilling to return to B7, then logically they should be able to recast Dodo. A recast of the older War Dr portrayed by Sir John Hurt would be out for me, but a younger actor playing the younger, post regeneration version would be fine. Not enough time has elapsed (for me) to recast the Brigadier or Liz
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Post by elkawho on Jan 15, 2018 18:20:11 GMT
Personally, I see recasting as a celebration of the work the original actors did, not as an insult. I am looking forward to a recast of the Brig, and even Sarah Jane. I think there are so many stories to be told with those characters. And we have seen that BF do a great job of respectful and appropriate recasting of well loved characters. This year it will be 7 years since we lost Nick Courtney and Liz Sladen, and as much as we love them, that is a long time. I'd love to see their work celebrated and carried on by actors that understand the characters and can shine a wonderful light on them. The Third Doctor is far from my favorite incarnation, however Tim Treloar's performances have increased my enjoyment of Pertwee's performances immensely and have taken nothing away.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 15, 2018 19:50:44 GMT
I’m not especially for or against recasting. I don’t, for example, think the Fourth Doctor Adventures are missing out by not having stories with Sarah Jane and Harry. Equally, I thoroughly enjoy the stuff Elliott Chapman does as Ben in the Companion Chronicles and Early Adventures. The same goes for William Russell, Peter Purves and Fraser Hines playing the Doctor; though I don’t think that’s as “obvious” of a recast because they originate from the Companion Chronicles.
I don’t think every single recast is entirely successful. The First Doctor Adventures I enjoyed but I think I’d have been more interested in having David Bradley with an original companion, or with Carole Ann and/or William Russell. I think the whole team recast didn’t quite work, not for me anyway. I appreciate that the set was created as a result of An Adventure in Space and Time and not Twice Upon A Time; the latter just made it viable for them to be recorded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:02:19 GMT
I don’t think every single recast is entirely successful. The First Doctor Adventures I enjoyed but I think I’d have been more interested in having David Bradley with an original companion, or with Carole Ann and/or William Russell. I think the whole team recast didn’t quite work, not for me anyway. I appreciate that the set was created as a result of An Adventure in Space and Time and not Twice Upon A Time; the latter just made it viable for them to be recorded. Yeah, I think using the An Adventure in Time and Space cast, who were cast originally to visually resemble the original TV characters as opposed to sound like them, was not the best idea in hindsight. As now that David Bradley has officially been the First Doctor on the TV pairing him up with an original companion from that era might have been more preferable, and more legitimate in some fans eyes. Big Finish said they didn't know about the First Doctor's TV appearance at the time they planned the 1DA's with that cast, so it is what it is. Personally if somebody is being recast by BF then I'd like them to sound reasonably similar to the character they are portraying so in my mind's eye I can convince myself they are that character when I am listening to the story.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 15, 2018 22:46:50 GMT
I think I'd prefer to both keep trying to get used to the recasts as a whole, and to give the actors and Big Finish a chance to grow into things. With the 3DAs I think there was still a little growing into the role for Tim to do when it started, as well as growing into the format and rethinking the narration. It's reassuring that Big Finish seem to have listened to people's preferences on how they could be improved, and perhaps a bit of the same may go on with the 1DAs.
I think even Bradley and Powell most likely have done some growing into their roles, and I'm already quite impressed with how well they've done that by the minute the first story starts. I don't quite know how to explain it, but Bradley seem to have down quite well one of my favorite First Doctor mannerisms, and I'm surprised how many important lines seem to be delivered just the way I think Hartnell would have done because of it. I think I probably do prefer BF trying to reconstitute the first TARDIS team to inventing new First Doctor companions, even if it takes a bit more getting used to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 23:43:19 GMT
I haven't listened to The First Doctor Adventures box set (still doing my Big Finish catch up), but keep in mind, we don't know the specifics behind Susan being recast outside of that very suspect Tumblr post and rumours. It's possible Carole Anne Ford has retired from the role (she's seventy-nine, after all) or doesn't want to go back to the First Doctor era without William Russell.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 16, 2018 0:07:00 GMT
I haven't listened to The First Doctor Adventures box set (still doing my Big Finish catch up), but keep in mind, we don't know the specifics behind Susan being recast outside of that very suspect Tumblr post and rumours. It's possible Carole Anne Ford has retired from the role (she's seventy-nine, after all) or doesn't want to go back to the First Doctor era without William Russell. Except no one from Big Finish has said she has retired from the role. Quite the opposite. Nick has said several times they have plans for the Carole Ann Ford Susan.
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