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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 0:07:12 GMT
I haven't listened to The First Doctor Adventures box set (still doing my Big Finish catch up), but keep in mind, we don't know the specifics behind Susan being recast outside of that very suspect Tumblr post and rumours. It's possible Carole Anne Ford has retired from the role (she's seventy-nine, after all) or doesn't want to go back to the First Doctor era without William Russell. There's no great mystery as to the 'recasting' for the First Doctor Adventures, is there? Nick wanted to tell stories with the Adventure in Space and Time cast - he was talking about the possibility of an adaptation of An Exciting Adventure with the Daleks for years, and the plans for these were in place before "Twice Upon a Time" was even a gleam in Moffat's eye.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 16, 2018 0:09:54 GMT
I haven't listened to The First Doctor Adventures box set (still doing my Big Finish catch up), but keep in mind, we don't know the specifics behind Susan being recast outside of that very suspect Tumblr post and rumours. It's possible Carole Anne Ford has retired from the role (she's seventy-nine, after all) or doesn't want to go back to the First Doctor era without William Russell. There's no great mystery as to the 'recasting' for the First Doctor Adventures, is there? Nick wanted to tell stories with the Adventure in Space and Time cast - he was talking about the possibility of an adaptation of An Exciting Adventure with the Daleks for years, and the plans for these were in place before "Twice Upon a Time" was even a gleam in Moffat's eye. True and it worked out rather nicely for Nick and Big Finish. Moffat & the BBC made Bradley the 1st Doctor, not BF, so they were there to absorb any heat from the fans who would object most loudly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 0:21:14 GMT
I haven't listened to The First Doctor Adventures box set (still doing my Big Finish catch up), but keep in mind, we don't know the specifics behind Susan being recast outside of that very suspect Tumblr post and rumours. It's possible Carole Anne Ford has retired from the role (she's seventy-nine, after all) or doesn't want to go back to the First Doctor era without William Russell. Except no one from Big Finish has said she has retired from the role. Quite the opposite. Nick has said several times they have plans for the Carole Ann Ford Susan. Thanks. I've kind of been out of the loop lately with dealing with my depression and haven't been listening to podcast, so I shouldn't really be acting as any sort of authority on the topic. I did read about A Small Semblance of Home, but didn't know how far in advance they recorded it.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 16, 2018 0:25:40 GMT
Except no one from Big Finish has said she has retired from the role. Quite the opposite. Nick has said several times they have plans for the Carole Ann Ford Susan. Thanks. I've kind of been out of the loop lately with dealing with my depression and haven't been listening to podcast, so I shouldn't really be acting as any sort of authority on the topic. I did read about A Small Semblance of Home, but didn't know how far in advance they recorded it. You should really check out the Carole Ann Ford read 8th Doctor & Susan Short Trips episode from last year for a pretty good tease of where Susan is headed. And I hope you are doing better. I've been fighting my own battle with depression this past year, so I hear you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 0:27:53 GMT
Thanks. I've kind of been out of the loop lately with dealing with my depression and haven't been listening to podcast, so I shouldn't really be acting as any sort of authority on the topic. I did read about A Small Semblance of Home, but didn't know how far in advance they recorded it. You should really check out the Carole Ann Ford read 8th Doctor & Susan Short Trips episode from last year for a pretty good tease of where Susan is headed. And I hope you are doing better. I've been fighting my own battle with depression this past year, so I hear you. Thanks, Watchdog
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 16, 2018 9:56:07 GMT
I don’t think every single recast is entirely successful. The First Doctor Adventures I enjoyed but I think I’d have been more interested in having David Bradley with an original companion, or with Carole Ann and/or William Russell. I think the whole team recast didn’t quite work, not for me anyway. I appreciate that the set was created as a result of An Adventure in Space and Time and not Twice Upon A Time; the latter just made it viable for them to be recorded. Yeah, I think using the An Adventure in Time and Space cast, who were cast originally to visually resemble the original TV characters as opposed to sound like them, was not the best idea in hindsight. As now that David Bradley has officially been the First Doctor on the TV pairing him up with an original companion from that era might have been more preferable, and more legitimate in some fans eyes. Big Finish said they didn't know about the First Doctor's TV appearance at the time they planned the 1DA's with that cast, so it is what it is. Personally if somebody is being recast by BF then I'd like them to sound reasonably similar to the character they are portraying so in my mind's eye I can convince myself they are that character when I am listening to the story. Yes, absolutely. It was made as a quirky and different idea using the AAISAT cast, before TUAT was thought of. The latter just gave the sets the opportunity to be recorded. I agree that it’s a case of “it is what it is”, though it now seems like an oddity. You’ve now got an official Doctor recast, it seems to make more sense to me to pair them with original companions or Carole Ann, William Russell, Peter Purves, Maureen O’ Brien, etc. It’s definitely a case of hindsight and it all depends what’s Big Finish do with sets 3 and beyond, I think.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 16, 2018 10:09:18 GMT
I haven't listened to The First Doctor Adventures box set (still doing my Big Finish catch up), but keep in mind, we don't know the specifics behind Susan being recast outside of that very suspect Tumblr post and rumours. It's possible Carole Anne Ford has retired from the role (she's seventy-nine, after all) or doesn't want to go back to the First Doctor era without William Russell. There's no great mystery as to the 'recasting' for the First Doctor Adventures, is there? Nick wanted to tell stories with the Adventure in Space and Time cast - he was talking about the possibility of an adaptation of An Exciting Adventure with the Daleks for years, and the plans for these were in place before "Twice Upon a Time" was even a gleam in Moffat's eye. Personally I think The First Doctor Adventures box set is a great idea but I would have preferred it if William Russell and Carole Anne Ford were in it rather than recasting roles where the original actors are still alive. It seems an odd approach to take.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 16, 2018 11:08:17 GMT
They took that approach before David Bradley was an official First Doctor. I think it would have been odd to have put him opposite Carole Ann Ford and William Russell in an audio based entirely on his AAISAT appearance. That’s why they went with the AAISAT approach; it’s just something quirky and different. It even seemed like it was trying to do its own alternative era based on the announcement. Actually listening to the audios and you could interpret it either way.
Now we have Bradley as an official First Doctor, thanks to Twice Upon A Time. So, for me, we’re now in a position where it would make more sense to pair him with the original actors, or new and original ones.
It’s all down to the timelines in which the sets were planned, scripted and recorded.
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Post by fantasticalice on Jan 16, 2018 12:15:37 GMT
I do hope that they recast Dodo. I don’t think there’s any chance of Jackie Lane doing Big Finish because she hasn’t had anything to do with it since she left except that one 50th Anniversary thing. I’d like to see Dodo get some development and if they can get a decent actress and Jackie’s approval, I don’t see why they shouldn’t. I actually heard apparently Jackie has hearing issues. So it may not be that she didn't want to do them. That said, there have been a few short trips and ZI think a CC with Dodo in it but she was only in a few serials so I don't see them recasting her. Steven has already been given a new partner in crim in Oliver Harper once and he's great with Vickie. It actually gave a very surreal touch to the recent First Doctor CC to have Vickie without Peter as Steven and vice versa although Peter's tale was a 2 hander. And the scuttlebutt is that William Russel is too old to really do it anymore. I love the CCs but apparently theyves been trying to do the FDA project since Adeventiure ins Space and Time came out.
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Post by Digi on Jan 16, 2018 13:00:02 GMT
Yeah I think it’s more than reasonable that William Russell is retired. All the power to him if he wants to come in and do more, but if he doesn’t—let’s be honest: the man is 93 years old. If he wants to just sit back and relax for the rest of his days, he’s earned it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 16:03:35 GMT
Yeah I think it’s more than reasonable that William Russell is retired. All the power to him if he wants to come in and do more, but if he doesn’t—let’s be honest: the man is 93 years old. If he wants to just sit back and relax for the rest of his days, he’s earned it. Absolutely. And let's be honest - we've no shortage of his wonderful performances in BF's esteemed backlog. At a bit of a tangent, it is continually frustrating that William read An Unearthly Child (I think I'm right in remembering that) that sits on a shelf unheard somewhere because of legal issues!
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 16, 2018 16:34:27 GMT
I agree that it’s a case of “it is what it is”, though it now seems like an oddity. You’ve now got an official Doctor recast, it seems to make more sense to me to pair them with original companions or Carole Ann, William Russell, Peter Purves, Maureen O’ Brien, etc. It’s definitely a case of hindsight and it all depends what’s Big Finish do with sets 3 and beyond, I think. Might just be me but personally, I don't see any need for David Bradley to play The First Doctor if Peter is in the cast - likewise if William Russell is in the cast (although I'm thinking it might be a safe bet that Russell probably is, at least tentatively, retired).
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Post by mrperson on Jan 16, 2018 18:43:46 GMT
And it occurs to me, the guy who voiced the First Doctor's one line in Day of the Doctor would have been perfect for audio. I don't know what he looks like, but he sounded exactly like Hartnell to me.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 16, 2018 19:00:23 GMT
And it occurs to me, the guy who voiced the First Doctor's one line in Day of the Doctor would have been perfect for audio. I don't know what he looks like, but he sounded exactly like Hartnell to me. Yeah that’s John Guilor. He looks nothing remotely like the First Doctor and I think he’s a lot younger than William Hartnell was when he started, but the voice is uncanny, to the point that I hadn’t realised that it wasn’t Hartnell.
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Post by number13 on Jan 16, 2018 22:24:03 GMT
Yeah I think it’s more than reasonable that William Russell is retired. All the power to him if he wants to come in and do more, but if he doesn’t—let’s be honest: the man is 93 years old. If he wants to just sit back and relax for the rest of his days, he’s earned it. Absolutely. And let's be honest - we've no shortage of his wonderful performances in BF's esteemed backlog. At a bit of a tangent, it is continually frustrating that William read An Unearthly Child (I think I'm right in remembering that) that sits on a shelf unheard somewhere because of legal issues! And as you allude to, paz, his Target audiobook readings. The original three (Daleks, Zarbi, Crusaders) and 'The Dalek Invasion of Earth' are all classics of the range and it’s very special to hear the stories told, brilliantly, by “Ian Chesterton” himself. I would love to hear his reading of 'An Unearthly Child' - I had no idea that one existed; a real shame it's not available. Perhaps not everyone will know of one more obscure story he read: ‘The Lair of Zarbi Supremo’ – a reading of a complete story from the first ‘Doctor Who’ annual on 'The Web Planet' DVD. A great idea for an ‘extra’, though the story is orthodox compared with ‘The Web Planet’ (robots, spaceships, etc.) But I enjoyed it thanks to William Russell’s always excellent performance.
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Post by mrperson on Jan 16, 2018 22:59:03 GMT
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 17, 2018 0:28:07 GMT
Count me in the camp of 'Do it when deceased, and usually after a good amount of time'. Still feels too soon for a new Brig or Sarha Jane.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 17, 2018 10:01:33 GMT
Yeah I think it’s more than reasonable that William Russell is retired. All the power to him if he wants to come in and do more, but if he doesn’t—let’s be honest: the man is 93 years old. If he wants to just sit back and relax for the rest of his days, he’s earned it. Absolutely. And let's be honest - we've no shortage of his wonderful performances in BF's esteemed backlog. At a bit of a tangent, it is continually frustrating that William read An Unearthly Child (I think I'm right in remembering that) that sits on a shelf unheard somewhere because of legal issues! By the time that Unearthly Child reading comes out William Russell will have sadly passed away and it will have become a posthumous release.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 17, 2018 10:04:16 GMT
Count me in the camp of 'Do it when deceased, and usually after a good amount of time'. Still feels too soon for a new Brig or Sarha Jane. Sarah Jane I agree, but I think you could have a recast Brigadier - or find some wriggle room at the end of Twice Upon A Time for the Brigadier's grandfather to have survived beyond the Christmas truce and use him in a similar role to the Brigadier in a release set during World War 1.
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