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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 22, 2018 21:06:47 GMT
I just watched tonight's Coronation Street, and was shocked by how shoddy the writing was tonight.
They literally had an innocent woman (Anna Windass) get found guilty for something she never did (pushing a teenager called Seb off a ladder) in a court case.
Who are these screenwriters they hire? You have to show justice prevail in a soap court case, otherwise how are we as the audience supposed to feel? Anything less than the innocent being found innocent or the guilty as guilty is unsatisfactory as an ending, and a terrible message to give viewers of the show.
So what's the moral of the story? If like Phelan you commit numerous murders, rapes, scams, keep multiple people captive in a cellar and frame somebody for something she didn't do you will be rewarded handsomely?
Never have I seen such appalling writing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 21:13:31 GMT
Shoddy writing like when Deirdre Barlow was wrongly imprisoned for fraud? That kind of shoddy writing?
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Post by number13 on Jan 22, 2018 22:54:40 GMT
'Coronation Street' is a 'soap', not a one-off play. What makes you think this is the end of the storyline? Making viewers feel how unfairly a character has been treated is the perfect 'hook' to keep people watching to see what happens next - does she win an appeal, is the real villain discovered, will justice finally be done, etc., etc. The storyline will probably run and run and twist and turn. That's what good soaps do, isn't it, tell dramatic stories that last for weeks, months or even years? And get as many viewers as possible talking about it. There's more well-made drama on TV across more channels now than ever before, but in British TV terms they are the 'grand-daddy'! I think 'Coronation Street' probably knows its business by now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 23:20:13 GMT
Having a character being mistreated isn't in itself bad writing by any stretch of the imagination.
The things that are holding Corrie back at the moment are its poor and paper-thin plotting, lack of clear character motivation for most actions taken, and it's total misplaced confidence in its po-faced tone.
It's hard to invest when the characters don't act like normal people, just going from A to B because it's what the plot necessitates. At the moment it is quite painful viewing, bordering on the unintentionally comedic at times.
But, then again, soaps aren't an arthouse form, so what do you expect?
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Post by SG. on Jan 23, 2018 2:15:35 GMT
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, hang on, HANG ON. You're calling it shoddy writing because "anything less than the innocent being found innocent or the guilty as guilty is unsatisfactory as an ending"?
Any narrative isn't that black and white. Real life isn't that black and white. Do you get so appalled any time there's a twist in any form of media?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 23, 2018 11:44:34 GMT
They had to write the actress out somehow
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 16:39:08 GMT
'Coronation Street' is a 'soap', not a one-off play. What makes you think this is the end of the storyline? Numerous sites stated that was Debbie Rush's final ever episode of Corrie and the official Twitter and Facebook confirmed it with a farewell video.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 16:40:51 GMT
Having a character being mistreated isn't in itself bad writing by any stretch of the imagination. The things that are holding Corrie back at the moment are its poor and paper-thin plotting, lack of clear character motivation for most actions taken, and it's total misplaced confidence in its po-faced tone. It's hard to invest when the characters don't act like normal people, just going from A to B because it's what the plot necessitates. At the moment it is quite painful viewing, bordering on the unintentionally comedic at times. But, then again, soaps aren't an arthouse form, so what do you expect? I agree with everything you say, apart from that I'd say that given it was confirmed to be her exit it was terrible writing as we never got to see justice prevail for Anna. To me that is massive anti-climax and as a viewer I feel cheated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 17:12:53 GMT
Having a character being mistreated isn't in itself bad writing by any stretch of the imagination. The things that are holding Corrie back at the moment are its poor and paper-thin plotting, lack of clear character motivation for most actions taken, and it's total misplaced confidence in its po-faced tone. It's hard to invest when the characters don't act like normal people, just going from A to B because it's what the plot necessitates. At the moment it is quite painful viewing, bordering on the unintentionally comedic at times. But, then again, soaps aren't an arthouse form, so what do you expect? I agree with everything you say, apart from that I'd say that given it was confirmed to be her exit it was terrible writing as we never got to see justice prevail for Anna. To me that is massive anti-climax and as a viewer I feel cheated. Life isn't all sunshine & rainbows. It is good that fiction demonstrates this. Sometimes bad things happen to good people.
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Post by doomlord on Jan 23, 2018 19:40:31 GMT
Any screenwriter worth their salt would write this exactly how this is playing out. Why would any writer for a serial go straight from A to B right away without going to A.2 first? Thank goodness television writing is left up to the professionals.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 23:37:25 GMT
I agree with everything you say, apart from that I'd say that given it was confirmed to be her exit it was terrible writing as we never got to see justice prevail for Anna. To me that is massive anti-climax and as a viewer I feel cheated. Life isn't all sunshine & rainbows. It is good that fiction demonstrates this. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. I don't want to see that in storytelling. It makes for an inconclusive and anti-climatic ending, and in my view shows a terrible writer who has little to no understanding of what audiences want to see. Any such ending is the prime example of an 'Is that it?' ending IMO.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 23:39:49 GMT
Any screenwriter worth their salt would write this exactly how this is playing out. Why would any writer for a serial go straight from A to B right away without going to A.2 first? Thank goodness television writing is left up to the professionals. No they wouldn't. Any decent screenwriter would have shown Anna win her case, as with countless other soap cases over the years. Especially when this was Debbie Rush's exit, so now there will be no proper conclusion where justice prevails. We're not going to see Anna gain freedom, instead we're left with the horrible inconclusive rubbish of her getting done for something she didn't do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 23:52:17 GMT
Life isn't all sunshine & rainbows. It is good that fiction demonstrates this. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. I don't want to see that in storytelling. It makes for an inconclusive and anti-climatic ending, and in my view shows a terrible writer who has little to no understanding of what audiences want to see. Any such ending is the prime example of an 'Is that it?' ending IMO. There are many examples of this sort of thing happening in fiction. There is nothing inconclusive about this. Justice doesn't always prevail. I understand this isn't the outcome you wanted, & that you don't want to see that in storytelling, but to say the screenwriter is terrible just because there isn't a happy ending? Sorry no no no. If we judged writers talents on happy endings then many writers would be seen as terrible, & taken to it's logical conclusion you must think Shakespeare is a rubbish writer!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 23, 2018 23:58:16 GMT
No they wouldn't. Any decent screenwriter would have shown Anna win her case, as with countless other soap cases over the years. Especially when this was Debbie Rush's exit, so now there will be no proper conclusion where justice prevails. We're not going to see Anna gain freedom, instead we're left with the horrible inconclusive rubbish of her getting done for something she didn't do. I'm sorry but you are wrong. There are many examples of this sort of thing happening in fiction. There is nothing inconclusive about this. Justice doesn't always prevail. I understand this isn't the outcome you wanted but to say the screenwriter isn't decent just because there isn't a happy ending? Sorry no no no. If we judged writers talents on happy endings then many writers would be seen as rubbish, & taken to it's logical conclusion you must think Shakespeare is a rubbish writer! Yes but usually when there's an unhappy ending there's a justification for it. Somebody dies trying to do the right thing, an awful person terrorised by a supernatural force is murdered and we as the audience don't like him or her anyway, two lovers split up but in order to follow their chosen careers... Here there's nothing. Anna didn't do anything bad to justify her being sent down. The ending is just empty and unsatisfactory because there is no takeaway value. Nothing for us to feel other than that we have wasted our time watching this rubbish. The ending takes us straight back to the beginning; nothing is accomplished by her being sent down. It's terrible, inconclusive nonsense and absolutely the work of an awful screenwriter. Shakespeare would not be impressed by such amateurish screenwriting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:05:34 GMT
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There are many examples of this sort of thing happening in fiction. There is nothing inconclusive about this. Justice doesn't always prevail. I understand this isn't the outcome you wanted but to say the screenwriter isn't decent just because there isn't a happy ending? Sorry no no no. If we judged writers talents on happy endings then many writers would be seen as rubbish, & taken to it's logical conclusion you must think Shakespeare is a rubbish writer! Shakespeare would not be impressed by such amateurish screenwriting. Yes, he was, in addition to being a playwright, quite the TV critic.
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Post by SG. on Jan 24, 2018 0:10:07 GMT
I guess you think they... rushed the storyline.
Eh? Eh?
I'm out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:11:43 GMT
I'm going to have to start watching Coronation Street again. It sounds rather good.
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2018 0:29:15 GMT
Shakespeare would not be impressed by such amateurish screenwriting. Yes, he was, in addition to being a playwright, quite the TV critic. Shakey would have written for soaps if telly was around then. Probably for Eastenders. "To be or not to be - that is the question Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune Or to take arms against a sea of troubles And by opposing get yourself thrown out of the Queen Vic again"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 8:25:30 GMT
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There are many examples of this sort of thing happening in fiction. There is nothing inconclusive about this. Justice doesn't always prevail. I understand this isn't the outcome you wanted but to say the screenwriter isn't decent just because there isn't a happy ending? Sorry no no no. If we judged writers talents on happy endings then many writers would be seen as rubbish, & taken to it's logical conclusion you must think Shakespeare is a rubbish writer! Yes but usually when there's an unhappy ending there's a justification for it. Somebody dies trying to do the right thing, an awful person terrorised by a supernatural force is murdered and we as the audience don't like him or her anyway, two lovers split up but in order to follow their chosen careers... Here there's nothing. Anna didn't do anything bad to justify her being sent down. The ending is just empty and unsatisfactory because there is no takeaway value. Nothing for us to feel other than that we have wasted our time watching this rubbish. The ending takes us straight back to the beginning; nothing is accomplished by her being sent down. It's terrible, inconclusive nonsense and absolutely the work of an awful screenwriter. Shakespeare would not be impressed by such amateurish screenwriting. OK. So I guess you're going to stop watching the programme?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 24, 2018 9:45:53 GMT
Yes but usually when there's an unhappy ending there's a justification for it. Somebody dies trying to do the right thing, an awful person terrorised by a supernatural force is murdered and we as the audience don't like him or her anyway, two lovers split up but in order to follow their chosen careers... Here there's nothing. Anna didn't do anything bad to justify her being sent down. The ending is just empty and unsatisfactory because there is no takeaway value. Nothing for us to feel other than that we have wasted our time watching this rubbish. The ending takes us straight back to the beginning; nothing is accomplished by her being sent down. It's terrible, inconclusive nonsense and absolutely the work of an awful screenwriter. Shakespeare would not be impressed by such amateurish screenwriting. OK. So I guess you're going to stop watching the programme? No, I'm going to keep watching so I can complain some more and compose a strongly worded email to ITV.
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