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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 3, 2018 0:49:36 GMT
I don't mean merely in terms of racial or gender stereotypes like cannibal tribes or women driver jokes, but in terms of when the content of a piece of media just doesn't fit anymore or say nothing that matters or transcends?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 3, 2018 1:43:42 GMT
I don't mean merely in terms of racial or gender stereotypes like cannibal tribes or women driver jokes, but in terms of when the content of a piece of media just doesn't fit anymore or say nothing that matters or transcends? If it relies heavily on “modern technology” it’ll look comical in a few years. If it relies on exploiting social norms for comedy, there’s a good chance that within a few years those jokes will sour. If it relies on the “star power” of certain people, should those people, shall we say, fall from grace it’ll be “done” (2 anf a Half Men for example). If it relies on “now” events (Drop the Dead Donkey, while still humorous has lost something 2 decades later for example) it’ll be old within weeks. if it requires us to laugh at a certain type of person (Ross in Fiends for example) the show will sour quickly because eventually that character will become utterly obnoxious and turn audiences off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 3:25:29 GMT
I don't mean merely in terms of racial or gender stereotypes like cannibal tribes or women driver jokes, but in terms of when the content of a piece of media just doesn't fit anymore or say nothing that matters or transcends? If it relies heavily on “modern technology” it’ll look comical in a few years. An excellent example of this in particular is, unfortunately, the first line of Neuromancer: "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." Awesomely evocative... if you know about the grey-black static of an untuned TV. Before digital input turned it into, well, a stark blue. The modern tech can end up being part of the appeal sometimes, but it often results in rather strange little digressions that meant something before, but don't now. More broadly, whenever a story can't be recontextualised, I think. A lot of stories last by being open to reinterpretation to fit the current zeitgeist, usually by developing a unique style that relies on its own context rather than whatever's going on in the real world. Reality is a retrofitted bolt-on, rather than a prerequisite. Synthwave is a good instance, it's a music genre that's popped up in the last couple years that emulates 1980s electronica (the kind of stuff you'd see in a John Carpenter film or something like Ladyhawke). The difference? It's a rose-tinted (sometimes literally), more polished version of what that decade's aesthetic actually was. The clumsiness is smoothed over in purple-blue colour pallettes and trapezoidal cars, creating a sense of style that ends up having little to do with Iran-Contra, glasnost, Skylab vaporising in atmo or Wall Street billionaires. It becomes a fantasy all of its own.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 30, 2018 23:09:23 GMT
I've often heard, with regards to latter day adaptations of older properties like John Carter and Wrinkle In Time, that after a work has influenced so many other stories, if it becomes obsolete. Was there a point in making a John Carter movie when nearly every sci-fi story in the last century has borrowed from it.
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 31, 2018 3:16:09 GMT
I've often heard, with regards to latter day adaptations of older properties like John Carter and Wrinkle In Time, that after a work has influenced so many other stories, if it becomes obsolete. Was there a point in making a John Carter movie when nearly every sci-fi story in the last century has borrowed from it. Why, then, did The Lord Of The Rings become so successful as a film series when it can be argued that it has been even more influential than John Carter? Why do we still get retellings of Robin Hood, Sherlock Holmes and Dracula? Why is Shakespeare still being produced? These are stories and characters that still speak to us and still have something to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 7:17:00 GMT
When a show/movie/series it becomes more of a chore to watch than a enjoyable experience.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 10:09:17 GMT
When it relies too heavily on the iconic nature instead telling it's story to a new audience. Marvel's sadly a huge example of this, relying on the iconic nature of their characters for too long. If Marvel had hit the reboot button in the nineties, with the popularity of it's animated series and comics still on the newsstands, we'd be in a VERY different situation then we're in now (and no, the Ultimate line a decade later DOESN'T count. However much I love Ultimate Spider-Man , that it's not THE story is not a good way to stay relevant) and comics would have stood a fighting chance agasint other media.
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