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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 7:37:12 GMT
I know Big Finish have stated that they don't want to do Season 6B stories - John Dorney (the man! The brilliance!) himself has expressed that he feels it takes away from the era - but I wonder if they will ever reaproach the idea? Perhaps, not including Jamie and having the Second Doctor with a new companion? (I love Jamie, but it'd be a great shakeup)I think there's quite a bit of mileage in giving The Second Doctor a new companion and wrestling with the Time Lord's demands throughout the course of his adventures (and it'd add nicely to the Third and Eighth Doctor and the story of the Doctor himself)?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 3, 2018 8:14:14 GMT
I know Big Finish have stated that they don't want to do Season 6B stories - John Dorney (the man! The brilliance!) himself has expressed that he feels it takes away from the era - but I wonder if they will ever reaproach the idea? Perhaps, not including Jamie and having the Second Doctor with a new companion? (I love Jamie, but it'd be a great shakeup)I think there's quite a bit of mileage in giving The Second Doctor a new companion and wrestling with the Time Lord's demands throughout the course of his adventures (and it'd add nicely to the Third and Eighth Doctor and the story of the Doctor himself)? If you listen to “The Black Hole” BF effectively both says “no Season 6B” And “season 6B happens here”.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 8:33:56 GMT
I know Big Finish have stated that they don't want to do Season 6B stories - John Dorney (the man! The brilliance!) himself has expressed that he feels it takes away from the era - but I wonder if they will ever reaproach the idea? Perhaps, not including Jamie and having the Second Doctor with a new companion? (I love Jamie, but it'd be a great shakeup)I think there's quite a bit of mileage in giving The Second Doctor a new companion and wrestling with the Time Lord's demands throughout the course of his adventures (and it'd add nicely to the Third and Eighth Doctor and the story of the Doctor himself)? If you listen to “The Black Hole” BF effectively both says “no Season 6B” And “season 6B happens here”. It's one of my favourite releases, although I haven't listened for awhile And while it gives a definite placement for The Two Doctors and address the contiunty issues, I was thinking more generally of Big Finish reapproaching the idea of The Second Doctor working for the CIA post- War Games
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 3, 2018 9:59:50 GMT
Now Big Finish are going to use Frazer Hines as the Second Doctor in a non-Jamie story, then who knows? It’s certainly possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 10:55:40 GMT
Now Big Finish are going to use Frazer Hines as the Second Doctor in a non-Jamie story, then who knows? It’s certainly possible. I'm really excited about the possibilities of this move
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 14:51:38 GMT
I know Big Finish have stated that they don't want to do Season 6B stories 6B? Wot's that then? I can't find any mention of a Season 6B in any of my Doctor Who reference books? [It's a quiet day here with all the snow, let's liven the place up a bit!]
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Post by mark687 on Mar 3, 2018 14:54:01 GMT
I know Big Finish have stated that they don't want to do Season 6B stories 6B? Wot's that then? I can't find any mention of a Season 6B in any of my Doctor Who reference books? [It's a quiet day here with all the snow, let's liven the place up a bit!]
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Post by number13 on Mar 3, 2018 15:02:25 GMT
I know Big Finish have stated that they don't want to do Season 6B stories 6B? Wot's that then? I can't find any mention of a Season 6B in any of my Doctor Who reference books? [It's a quiet day here with all the snow, let's liven the place up a bit!] 6B is a particularly soft pencil used for doing sketchy things. Things as sketchy as the idea of season 6B...
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Post by constonks on Mar 3, 2018 16:15:42 GMT
6B - explained here if anyone's lost - might not be the only explanation for The Five Doctors and Two Doctors, but it's definitely the only explanation for a handful of stories that explicitly mention it, including some of BF's own prose Short Trips. So it must have happened, but I think it's safe to say BF is never going to touch it. Which is sad IMO because you could create a new era for the Second Doctor in a way you can't without it. But! Dorney recently said there may be a non-6B explanation for the Five Doctors coming up. So I assume the Doctor will somehow have knowledge of the end of The War Games, control of the TARDIS and no companions some other way. As long as it's not a short term gap - and if he's meandering around to UNIT reunions and such, then it shouldn't be one - there's room for a new era right there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 16:26:35 GMT
6B? Wot's that then? I can't find any mention of a Season 6B in any of my Doctor Who reference books? [It's a quiet day here with all the snow, let's liven the place up a bit!] 6B is a particularly soft pencil used for doing sketchy things. Things as sketchy as the idea of season 6B... I suppose a 6B would also be too soft for a Graphology study?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 16:31:38 GMT
6B might not be the only explanation for The Five Doctors and Two Doctors, but it's definitely the only explanation for a handful of stories that explicitly mention it, including some of BF's own prose Short Trips. So it must have happened, Well, there is no 'must', 6B is a fan theory that exists for those people that choose to believe in it... it doesn't exist for those that think the idea is silly. (Me!) Nobody is right or wrong though, you can believe in whatever you want to in life. Personally I think the more that Big Finish avoid it, the better.
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Post by number13 on Mar 3, 2018 16:37:11 GMT
6B is a particularly soft pencil used for doing sketchy things. Things as sketchy as the idea of season 6B... I suppose a 6B would also be too soft for a Graphology study? (Much too soft. It would turn into Graph iteology... )
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Post by sherlock on Mar 3, 2018 16:37:41 GMT
6B - explained here if anyone's lost - might not be the only explanation for The Five Doctors and Two Doctors, but it's definitely the only explanation for a handful of stories that explicitly mention it, including some of BF's own prose Short Trips. So it must have happened, but I think it's safe to say BF is never going to touch it. Which is sad IMO because you could create a new era for the Second Doctor in a way you can't without it. But! Dorney recently said there may be a non-6B explanation for the Five Doctors coming up. So I assume the Doctor will somehow have knowledge of the end of The War Games, control of the TARDIS and no companions some other way. As long as it's not a short term gap - and if he's meandering around to UNIT reunions and such, then it shouldn't be one - there's room for a new era right there. In Dorney we trust. I've always been a bit of sceptic with the idea of 6B. Kind of takes away from the tragedy of The War Games a bit. As far as the novels are concerned at least, it's a done deal that 6B happened ( World Game), but Big Finish certainly seems reluctant to touch it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 17:59:38 GMT
I think it's safe to say BF is never going to touch it. Which is sad IMO because you could create a new era for the Second Doctor in a way you can't without it. ... but Big Finish certainly seems reluctant to touch it. Of course, for all we know the Doctor Who comic strips that Big Finish are adapting could be those from TV Comic; adaptations of Action in Exile, Mark of Terror and The Brotherhood would certainly set the cat among the pigeons! (They would probably be fun though.) As Uncle Nick would say, just imagine!
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Post by dannybl on Mar 3, 2018 18:35:42 GMT
I don't get how some fans detest the idea of 6B, I like that the Second Doctor could have more adventures between The War Games and Spearhead From Space.
Helicon Prime is 6B isn't it? i know The Black Hole offers an argument that The Two Doctors takes place during Season 5.
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 3, 2018 18:45:43 GMT
To my mind 6B would be a perfect opportunity for a re-cast Second Doctor, which would open adventures in the style of the Third Doctor ones.
After the War Games I am sure that the Doctor would never be the same again
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 19:02:37 GMT
I never care about timelines and where things fit - though I know a lot of fans are protective of such things - so I have little issue with 6B but likewise don't have any need to try and canonise it. They're all just stories in the end - try and make it a good one to paraphrase Moffat. Contradictory stories, origins, multiple Atlatises, Dalek timelines, why certain villains seem to meet the Doc in order....it's all irrelevant to me. The play's the thing. In fact one of my favourite all time Who comics were the 2nd Doctor's The Night Walkers where he becomes a celebrity of on Earth literally appearing on game shows and on the front page of the papers. Published the month before Pertwee debuted on Spearhead, those strips did sinister scarecrows leading The Doctor to his death when Paul Cornell was in nappies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 19:11:58 GMT
I don't get how some fans detest the idea of 6B, I like that the Second Doctor could have more adventures between The War Games and Spearhead From Space. I can't speak for 'fans' but from my point of view detest is the wrong word, 'having no interest in' would be more apt. 6B is a fan theory to explain away inconsistencies of a TV show produced over many decades. I just prefer to leave the inconsistencies as being just that, as often trying to solve one inconsistency causes another. So Doctor Who doesn't all have to fit in to one coherent timeline for me, it is what it is. I can enjoy the EU of Doctor Who without worrying where it all goes. Actually, I think I'd go dizzy trying to fit every Doctor Who comic or novel I've ever read or BF audio I've heard and TV episode I've seen in to one straight continuity! The fun thing about Doctor Who is that different things happen at different times. As for the people who like the idea of more Second Doctor adventures after The War Games. Great! There are some out there, I hope ye enjoy them...I did! It doesn't mean that 6B definitely exists or "must be" though, as 6B is still just a fan theory at the end of the day.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Mar 3, 2018 20:31:02 GMT
My problem with 6B is that it destroys the emotional significance of The War Games in an effort to smooth over a few plot holes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 7:35:27 GMT
As a peace offering, I bring this:
I... like Season 6B? I can understand why people wouldn't, The War Games is a spectacular final note to send the Second Doctor off on, but... I like it? I like the injustice of it. How he exists in this oubliette under the thumb of the Gallifreyan secret service, an exile and a prisoner. I enjoy the idea of him trying to puzzle ways out of their grasp, wheedling for familiar companions and then striking out, his handlers right on their heels. Terrance Dicks's World Game was a fun little excursion in that regard. For a long time, I've thought that The Glorious Revolution was a test run for Jamie joining Two with the CIA. And I have my own interpretation of what happened at the end of Second Chances, which I'll keep largely to m'self (it involves needing a +1 for Two/Jamie and the aftermath of the Omega Crisis).
Edit: Actually, random thought, I'd be really interested in seeing a Two, John and Gillian story done like The Girl Who Was Death from The Prisoner. In an exaggerated children's storybook style that leans heavily on its tropes, but plays everything largely straight. That could be rather fun.
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