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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2018 13:05:29 GMT
I've been reading The Complete History and it sounds like a lot of great stuff was removed from this two parter. This got me wondering if both parts really needed a longer run time, as I wasn't that impressed in the story but I like the sound of a lot of the scenes that were cut.
Why did they get rid of the conversation where Amy has doubts about her wedding to Rory, for instance? Or cut down the scene where Rory has a go at the Doctor for not trying harder to save Amy?
These sounded like great character moments, and I'm certain The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood would have been much better with them included.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 8, 2018 13:16:25 GMT
I've been reading The Complete History and it sounds like a lot of great stuff was removed from this two parter. This got me wondering if both parts really needed a longer run time, as I wasn't that impressed in the story but I like the sound of a lot of the scenes that were cut. Why did they get rid of the conversation where Amy has doubts about her wedding to Rory, for instance? Or cut down the scene where Rory has a go at the Doctor for putting Amy in danger? These sounded like great character moments, and I'm certain The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood would have been much better with them included. Personally I guess Amy's Wedding doubts would've reduced the emotional impact of the climax.
Rory having another go at the Doctor, well the one in Venice was rather good, doing something similar may have made him sound like a broken record.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2018 13:27:25 GMT
I've been reading The Complete History and it sounds like a lot of great stuff was removed from this two parter. This got me wondering if both parts really needed a longer run time, as I wasn't that impressed in the story but I like the sound of a lot of the scenes that were cut. Why did they get rid of the conversation where Amy has doubts about her wedding to Rory, for instance? Or cut down the scene where Rory has a go at the Doctor for putting Amy in danger? These sounded like great character moments, and I'm certain The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood would have been much better with them included. Personally I guess Amy's Wedding doubts would've reduced the emotional impact of the climax.
Rory having another go at the Doctor, well the one in Venice was rather good, doing something similar may have made him sound like a broken record.
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mark687
The wedding doubts scene ends with the Doctor assuring Amy that he likes Rory a lot though, and is written like she's having last minute nerves before her wedding. I'm not sure it would have had much of a detrimental impact on the end scene where Rory's dead body is swallowed by the Crack In Time. It just sounds like a nice little moment between the Doctor and Amy. I can see that point about the extended version of the Rory scene. It is pretty much covering the same ground as in Vampires of Venice. It also sounds like The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood was butchered quite a bit in the pre-production stage, with the loss of the Armasaurs scene which sounded fantastic, and tree roots dragging people through the ground which sounds like it would have been quite a dark/unsettling element. |
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Post by doomlord on Mar 8, 2018 20:52:00 GMT
Well those two soapy scenarios (which would probably add another 4 to 5 minutes only in duration through exposition) would hardly impact on the story you already aren't impressed with.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2018 21:00:54 GMT
Well those two soapy scenarios (which would probably add another 4 to 5 minutes only in duration through exposition) would hardly impact on the story you already aren't impressed with. Character is more important than story. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 21:02:35 GMT
Well those two soapy scenarios (which would probably add another 4 to 5 minutes only in duration through exposition) would hardly impact on the story you already aren't impressed with. Character is more important than story. Not something the makers of the show agree with, nor do I. In a show such as Dr Who everything should be in service to a good story & not drag it down which these exposition scenes would have done. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2018 21:28:15 GMT
Character is more important than story. Not something the makers of the show agree with, nor do I. In a show such as Dr Who everything should be in service to a good story & not drag it down which these exposition scenes would have done. Story comes from character though, not the other way round. |
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Post by sherlock on Mar 8, 2018 21:28:36 GMT
Both those character moments are dealt with elsewhere though. Rory calls out the Doctor about putting Amy in danger in The Vampires of Venice and Amy chooses life with Rory in Amy's Choice, which would make her still having doubts about the marriage in The Hungry Earth a bit odd.
It's been a while since I've seen The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood so can't really remember my thoughts on it. I don't remember particularly liking or disliking it to be perfectly honest, though Rory's death was a shock.
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Post by doomlord on Mar 8, 2018 21:47:28 GMT
Well those two soapy scenarios (which would probably add another 4 to 5 minutes only in duration through exposition) would hardly impact on the story you already aren't impressed with. Character is more important than story. Once a companion has appeared in about three to four stories, I have enough information to know who and what they are and how they'll react in the situation or scenario they're in from the moral foundation written in their first couple of stories. Most of us get the gist as to whom they are by then. That's good enough for me in a show about adventures in space and time. I don't sit there and watch and wonder how their love life is doing or worry whether it's on the mind, I'm sat there in wonderment at the fantastical story they're in, within a show that can be anything it wants to be. Whenever I read about what's being produced for each series, I'm more concerned about the stories, also I find the people that I chat to in real life as well as numerous online forums, that 9 times out of 10, we're discussing the all important stories. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 21:51:08 GMT
Not something the makers of the show agree with, nor do I. In a show such as Dr Who everything should be in service to a good story & not drag it down which these exposition scenes would have done. Story comes from character though, not the other way round. But too much exposition slows the momentum of the story which is why these scenes didn't make the final cut & it would be boring for a family show about the Doctor fighting Daleks etc to have lots of character exposition. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2018 22:29:16 GMT
Character is more important than story. Once a companion has appeared in about three to four stories, I have enough information to know who and what they are and how they'll react in the situation or scenario they're in from the moral foundation written in their first couple of stories. Most of us get the gist as to whom they are by then. That's good enough for me in a show about adventures in space and time. I don't sit there and watch and wonder how their love life is doing or worry whether it's on the mind, I'm sat there in wonderment at the fantastical story they're in, within a show that can be anything it wants to be. Whenever I read about what's being produced for each series, I'm more concerned about the stories, also I find the people that I chat to in real life as well as numerous online forums, that 9 times out of 10, we're discussing the all important stories. Each to their own. I think character moments really add to the story. |
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Post by doomlord on Mar 8, 2018 23:12:23 GMT
Precisely, each to their own but for me, having an extra 40 minutes of character ‘moments’ added onto their character (not story as you put it), rather than the more important goings on in an already suitable length of a two-part story just doesn’t appeal to most people.
I imagine the audience would be turning off in their droves at all those needless exposition padding.
I’m just glad you’re not the script editor on the show.
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