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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 8:45:01 GMT
Which ending do you prefer for Victoria?
On the one hand, there is Deborah Waltering's ending: that the Time Lords wiped Victoria's memory and became a children's writer, unconsciously pulling on her adventures and experiences with The Doctor. On the other hand, Power Play establishes Victoria as an anti-nuclear power activist in the 1980s and the Companion Chronicles set later in her life have her gradually losing her memories from alzheimers and unable to tell her family about the truth of her origins.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 8:48:31 GMT
I'm torn on this, but I personally prefer Walting's ending: it adds to the bittersweetness of the Second Doctor era, although I do love that Power Play has it that after she becomes acclamitised, Victoria discovers what she is truly capable of and is powerful in that - that her gentleness and sensitivity does not equate to weakness.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 13, 2018 8:52:21 GMT
Which ending do you prefer for Victoria? On the one hand, there is Deborah Waltering's ending: that the Time Lords wiped Victoria's memory and became a children's writer, unconsciously pulling on her adventures and experiences with The Doctor. On the other hand, Power Play establishes Victoria as an anti-nuclear power activist in the 1980s, while the Companion Chronicles set later in her life have her gradually losing her memories from alzheimers and unable to tell her family about the truth of her origins. I wasn't aware of Deborah Watling's ending. Did it ever appear in any spin off fiction?
Power Play and the Companion Chronicles are not mutually exclusive.
There is also Downtime's portrayal of an older Victoria to be factored in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:09:52 GMT
Which ending do you prefer for Victoria? On the one hand, there is Deborah Waltering's ending: that the Time Lords wiped Victoria's memory and became a children's writer, unconsciously pulling on her adventures and experiences with The Doctor. On the other hand, Power Play establishes Victoria as an anti-nuclear power activist in the 1980s, while the Companion Chronicles set later in her life have her gradually losing her memories from alzheimers and unable to tell her family about the truth of her origins. I wasn't aware of Deborah Watling's ending. Did it ever appear in any spin off fiction?
Power Play and the Companion Chronicles are not mutually exclusive.
There is also Downtime's portrayal of an older Victoria to be factored in.
It was never touched upon in any spin-off fiction, but she did menticon it in various interviews. I'd forgotten about Downtime, but I prefer Victoria's other endings - they serve the character far better, in my opinion. Remind me, the issue of Downside and Kate aside (Chibnall didn't know about the character at the time), why can't Power Play be reconciled into contiunty? |
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 13, 2018 9:52:33 GMT
I wasn't aware of Deborah Watling's ending. Did it ever appear in any spin off fiction?
Power Play and the Companion Chronicles are not mutually exclusive.
There is also Downtime's portrayal of an older Victoria to be factored in.
. Remind me ... why can't Power Play be reconciled into contiunty? I never said it couldn't, I said PP and the CCs are not mutually exclusive
If we assume Victoria was approx. 20 years old when she stopped travelling and settled in approx. 1968 then she could have had a family after PP took place in the 1980s.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:57:43 GMT
. Remind me ... why can't Power Play be reconciled into contiunty? I never said it couldn't, I said PP and the CCs are not mutually exclusive
If we assume Victoria was approx. 20 years old when she stopped travelling and settled in approx. 1968 then she could have had a family after PP took place in the 1980s.
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Post by muckypup on Mar 13, 2018 11:41:23 GMT
Ohhh.i though this was news that the news had broke that awful ITV rewritten history show was getting the axe.......
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Post by constonks on Mar 13, 2018 15:56:03 GMT
Power Play isn't in the 80s, even if the TV ep would have been. Victoria is way older than in Fury.
TARDIS Wiki assumes that The Great Space Elevator's frame narrative is contemporary (2008) - but that would mean she's sad and lonely and working for the Great Intelligence in Downtime, but in only thirteen years, has several kids one of whom is expecting her first grandchild.
It's possible that TGSE takes place in 2017 or something but even that seems like a stretch, given that Downtime paints such a harsh picture that doesn't reflect any other post-TARDIS Victoria stories.
I think it's clear that Victoria's timeline has been edited slightly - Downtime has been smoothed over somehow, leaving her with a happier life.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 13, 2018 22:10:47 GMT
Power Play isn't in the 80s, even if the TV ep would have been. Victoria is way older than in Fury. TARDIS Wiki assumes that The Great Space Elevator's frame narrative is contemporary (2008) - but that would mean she's sad and lonely and working for the Great Intelligence in Downtime, but in only thirteen years, has several kids one of whom is expecting her first grandchild. It's possible that TGSE takes place in 2017 or something but even that seems like a stretch, given that Downtime paints such a harsh picture that doesn't reflect any other post-TARDIS Victoria stories. I think it's clear that Victoria's timeline has been edited slightly - Downtime has been smoothed over somehow, leaving her with a happier life. Going by the novel Victoria worked for the Intelligence 1984 - 1995. Stepchildren / stepgrandchildren is one possibility, otherwise the grandchildren by 2008 can only work if her child was born between 1968 and 1984, but where was he/she during Downtime? Living with their father and estranged from their mother? Perhaps born out of wedlock and, given Victoria's Victorian upbringing and values, given up for adoption and only made contact with Victoria sometime after Downtime in 1995? Maybe Jamie was the father and that was the real reason she stopped travelling with the Doctor - ok, now I'm getting silly. I think it can all be reconciled (just about) but it ends up pretty convoluted. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 22:53:17 GMT
Power Play isn't in the 80s, even if the TV ep would have been. Victoria is way older than in Fury.
Eh, if we can contexaluise an actors performance in new stories set in the era that were part of Who, we can for Lost Stories intended to be transmitted in the eighties.
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Post by constonks on Mar 14, 2018 0:15:59 GMT
Power Play isn't in the 80s, even if the TV ep would have been. Victoria is way older than in Fury.
Eh, if we can contexaluise an actors performance in new stories set in the era that were part of Who, we can for Lost Stories intended to be transmitted in the eighties.
Maybe I'm just misremembering or conflating bits of TGSE (I think I listened to them around the same time) but I thought she was actually said to be older in Power Play. Like someone flippantly calls her "grandma" or something like that. (Also, grain of salt given other covers and costumes and such, but the Debbie Watling on Power Play's cover is not from the 1980s.) I don't know. Might be wrong - I just never even considered that Power Play might be set in the 80s until this thread! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 1:57:52 GMT
Eh, if we can contexaluise an actors performance in new stories set in the era that were part of Who, we can for Lost Stories intended to be transmitted in the eighties.
Maybe I'm just misremembering or conflating bits of TGSE (I think I listened to them around the same time) but I thought she was actually said to be older in Power Play. Like someone flippantly calls her "grandma" or something like that. (Also, grain of salt given other covers and costumes and such, but the Debbie Watling on Power Play's cover is not from the 1980s.) I don't know. Might be wrong - I just never even considered that Power Play might be set in the 80s until this thread!
I distincitly remember it being set in the eighties, but it's been awhile since I've listened to it
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Post by constonks on Mar 14, 2018 2:22:39 GMT
Maybe I'm just misremembering or conflating bits of TGSE (I think I listened to them around the same time) but I thought she was actually said to be older in Power Play. Like someone flippantly calls her "grandma" or something like that. (Also, grain of salt given other covers and costumes and such, but the Debbie Watling on Power Play's cover is not from the 1980s.) I don't know. Might be wrong - I just never even considered that Power Play might be set in the 80s until this thread!
I distincitly remember it being set in the eighties, but it's been awhile since I've listened to it
Oh no now we've both lost confidence in our points. What if we're both wildly off-base and it's set pre-Evil of the Daleks? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 2:27:50 GMT
I distincitly remember it being set in the eighties, but it's been awhile since I've listened to it
Oh no now we've both lost confidence in our points. What if we're both wildly off-base and it's set pre-Evil of the Daleks?
DAMN IT, MUST KEEP MALE POSTURING....
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