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Post by hamsterexastris on Mar 23, 2018 0:08:49 GMT
Vastra was referenced within a canon Big Finish story, therefore, following the logic of everything else, this too should be canon. She exists within the Big Finish branch of the canon, so her appearances in Big Finish stories should be canonising. I can put a 'contended' at the end f that one if you want me to, but I don't think it's all that necessary. But by that logic, shouldn't the entire main range be included, because their Doctors/companions are in the canon? I'm not trying to contest its inclusion, really. I'm just trying to understand the rules here.
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Post by chareth on Mar 23, 2018 3:14:46 GMT
Why do you need to run through all that piecemeal logic for UNIT? I would have thought that you'd need to include the entire series by including any of it, similar to the same logic as Gallifrey.Also, I don't think that your logic for including Young Winston makes sense - if Vastra were an original creation, sure, but she's part of the TV show... Gallifrey is an ongoing series, whereas UNIT could feasibly be argued to be stand alone entries. Either way, they're canon. Vastra was referenced within a canon Big Finish story, therefore, following the logic of everything else, this too should be canon. She exists within the Big Finish branch of the canon, so her appearances in Big Finish stories should be canonising. I can put a 'contended' at the end f that one if you want me to, but I don't think it's all that necessary. Yeah, there's definitely some very inconsistent logic going on here. If a character's existence in Big Finish canon automatically canonises all of their Big Finish stories, then why do we have so many characters, such as Peri, for whom you have some but not all of their stories as canon?
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 23, 2018 5:23:21 GMT
Okay, I'll try to outline my "rules" here 1. In terms of Big Finish original companions, any who appear in one canon story will automatically canonise every other story that they have been in (if you need an excuse for why, just say either "plot/story arc continuation" or "character development"). 2. In terms of revisiting past companions, any who appear in one canon story during their 'comeback' will automatically canonise every other story during their 'comeback' that they have been in (if you need an excuse for why, just say "plot/story arc continuation" or "character development"). 3. In terms of TV companion teams, only stories that directly reference any other story that is already canon, or any story that is already canon references them, count, otherwise there is no way of specifically distinguishing that they happened. (E.g. Whispers of Terror is a Peri story, but as there are no direct ties to any other stories that are within the 'now established canon', we cannot guarantee this story happened, whereas Urgent Calls (see 95. Exotron) or Mission of the Viyrans (see 102. The Mind's Eye) are a part of the Viyran story arc, therefore they must be a part of the canon) In respect to Vastra, I can understand why some people might think that this means there's no firm link to her and any other story that is "canon", however, like I said elsewhere, I do like to try and cast the net as wide as possible to incorporate as many stories as I can (hence the "plot/story arc continuation" and "character development" excuses). Technically speaking, I could probably pull the entirety of The Churchill Years into the canon by determining which story occurs earliest in Churchill's timeline in respect to each Doctor and deducing that later stories in the timeline featuring a Doctor he is known to have already met before must therefore be canon because he recognises him (actually, I may very well do this...). But like I said, if people have any issues or simply want me to put a "contended" note, feel free to say so. If people are looking at it this closely though, I'd love to hear your opinions on the Fourth Doctor Adventures post I'm positive there's plenty of room for improvement, I just can't seem to work out any other stories that fit. I'd greatly appreciate some advice
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Post by number13 on Mar 23, 2018 11:05:42 GMT
I could probably pull the entirety of The Churchill Years into the canon by determining which story occurs earliest in Churchill's timeline in respect to each Doctor and deducing that later stories in the timeline featuring a Doctor he is known to have already met before must therefore be canon because he recognises him 'Young Winston' is canon under your rules, so 11th Doctor stories 'Living History' and 'The Chartwell Metamorphosis' must also be canon since they are definitely later in Churchill's life and he knows the 11th Doctor in both.
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 23, 2018 13:09:31 GMT
I could probably pull the entirety of The Churchill Years into the canon by determining which story occurs earliest in Churchill's timeline in respect to each Doctor and deducing that later stories in the timeline featuring a Doctor he is known to have already met before must therefore be canon because he recognises him 'Young Winston' is canon under your rules, so 11th Doctor stories 'Living History' and 'The Chartwell Metamorphosis' must also be canon since they are definitely later in Churchill's life and he knows the 11th Doctor in both. Ah, but in Victory of the Daleks Winston says this is the first time he's seen the 11th Doctor It starts getting a little complicated there... (I hadn't thought about that...)
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Post by rran on Mar 23, 2018 16:37:32 GMT
Interesting way to put it Whovitt. I haven’t read the thread completely. will do when I get sufficient time. One question - how much time did it take you to compose all this ?
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 23, 2018 23:00:39 GMT
Interesting way to put it Whovitt . I haven’t read the thread completely. will do when I get sufficient time. One question - how much time did it take you to compose all this ? Ummm... easily 24 solid hours, probably more (Like I said, I was getting bored during my summer break )
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