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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 22:19:09 GMT
Very soon, Mel will be leaving the TARDIS. Will Ace leave with her? How will this affect Seven moving forward?
My guess: I think we'll see Seven traveling solo for a triolgey, dabbling in and out of bad habits, trying to find himself and reconcile himself to the man he has been and the man he is now. Dancing between the dark and the light of the universe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 22:29:58 GMT
Tbh i doubt if we’ll be getting trilogys after this year, or at least it feels they’re distancing themselves from the trilogy format. If they do, hopefully theyll be be more variety and zipping around the timeline of all doctors, much like it was pre trilogy storys.
(Edit - so to clarify, whilst it sounds super cool to see some solo seven im also hopeing for a mixture, like some season 24 with mel, some hex, maybes even benny?)
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Post by xlozdob on Mar 27, 2018 22:34:23 GMT
Maybe after Mel leaves, have a proper send-off for Ace. This could take place over a trilogy: in the first release Mel leaves, in the second one Ace considers leaving as well and in the third one the Doctor arranges for Ace to go to the Academy. Or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 22:59:15 GMT
Maybe after Mel leaves, have a proper send-off for Ace. This could take place over a trilogy: in the first release Mel leaves, in the second one Ace considers leaving as well and in the third one the Doctor arranges for Ace to go to the Academy. Or something like that.
I don't think we'll see Ace at the Academy just yet. I think at some point, Seven and Ace need some distance from each other for Ace to get a sense of herself and have a life without him.
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Post by denyer97 on Mar 27, 2018 23:02:24 GMT
Personally I feel like something major has to happen to Ace for the Doctor to be like “right I’ve done all I can do, the Time Lords can help you now” but I’m unsure what that might be. Whether she does something really positive that shows she is ready or something overwhelmingly bad that makes the Doctor lose faith in her.
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Post by chrism1999 on Mar 28, 2018 8:19:19 GMT
Unless and until Sophie Aldred decides to stop, or at least cut back on, working with them, I can't really see them losing their "default" companion for 7.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 28, 2018 12:46:30 GMT
A Chris and Roz adventure or two
A Raine adventure or two
A Benny adventure or two
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 28, 2018 13:22:09 GMT
Very soon, Mel will be leaving the TARDIS. Do we know this?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 28, 2018 17:16:37 GMT
Very soon, Mel will be leaving the TARDIS. Do we know this? Exactly what I was wondering. Because Hex lasted 10 years straight and the Older Nyssa Stories lasted 6 years with one break in 2014 for the Nyssa and Hannah trilogy. I’d say, unless BF have stated otherwise that Mel will be sticking around with Ace and Seven for a while yet, possibly with the odd break from their stories to revisit Klein.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Mar 28, 2018 18:49:17 GMT
Maybe after Mel leaves, have a proper send-off for Ace. This could take place over a trilogy: in the first release Mel leaves, in the second one Ace considers leaving as well and in the third one the Doctor arranges for Ace to go to the Academy. Or something like that.
I don't think we'll see Ace at the Academy just yet. I think at some point, Seven and Ace need some distance from each other for Ace to get a sense of herself and have a life without him.
On the one hand, I really want the story of Ace going to the Academy. On the other hand, I'm not convinced there's anyway of doing it without making her timeline any more of a mess. Such a story would need to be a very Ace-centered one. It can't just be an afterthought of "Oh, she's off to the Academy now." We need a story where, for one reason or another, Ace essentially fulfills the Doctor's role, proving she's learned all she needs to, preferably at the end of an arc where we see her taking a much more active role. This would be a bit easier if the stories didn't keep bizarrely regressing her personality back to Season 25. And now I'm back to being annoyed about the Lost Stories, because the original concepts for Earth Aid and Thin Ice were a perfect send-off (Ace becomes a starship captain, taking charge of the situation, and then is given a final test by the Time Lords, followed by her departure and Raine's entrance), but instead we ended up with Ace sticking around as an awkward third wheel for the Doctor and Raine. Which reminds me that what I want next for the Seventh Doctor is Raine. Lots of Raine. So much Raine that it's a driving hazard and they're worried about the rivers flooding. More Chris Cwej and Roz would be brilliant as well. And a few more solo adventures.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 28, 2018 19:04:22 GMT
I don't think we'll see Ace at the Academy just yet. I think at some point, Seven and Ace need some distance from each other for Ace to get a sense of herself and have a life without him.
On the one hand, I really want the story of Ace going to the Academy. On the other hand, I'm not convinced there's anyway of doing it without making her timeline any more of a mess. Such a story would need to be a very Ace-centered one. It can't just be an afterthought of "Oh, she's off to the Academy now." We need a story where, for one reason or another, Ace essentially fulfills the Doctor's role, proving she's learned all she needs to, preferably at the end of an arc where we see her taking a much more active role. This would be a bit easier if the stories didn't keep bizarrely regressing her personality back to Season 25. And now I'm back to being annoyed about the Lost Stories, because the original concepts for Earth Aid and Thin Ice were a perfect send-off (Ace becomes a starship captain, taking charge of the situation, and then is given a final test by the Time Lords, followed by her departure and Raine's entrance), but instead we ended up with Ace sticking around as an awkward third wheel for the Doctor and Raine. Which reminds me that what I want next for the Seventh Doctor is Raine. Lots of Raine. So much Raine that it's a driving hazard and they're worried about the rivers flooding. More Chris Cwej and Roz would be brilliant as well. And a few more solo adventures. As far as my version Of canon goes, Benny V1 and V2 bridge the gap between the VNAs and Main Range, so for me I would want to see Ace Havana reason to return to the academy rather than join it, which is much easier to get around. Also I’d like to see the Doctor pick up a post-Gallifrey Ace from her work with A Charitable Earth soon after she leaves him, from his point of view so that they can continue travelling together until their adventures lead into Ground Zero.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Mar 28, 2018 20:11:33 GMT
On the one hand, I really want the story of Ace going to the Academy. On the other hand, I'm not convinced there's anyway of doing it without making her timeline any more of a mess. Such a story would need to be a very Ace-centered one. It can't just be an afterthought of "Oh, she's off to the Academy now." We need a story where, for one reason or another, Ace essentially fulfills the Doctor's role, proving she's learned all she needs to, preferably at the end of an arc where we see her taking a much more active role. This would be a bit easier if the stories didn't keep bizarrely regressing her personality back to Season 25. And now I'm back to being annoyed about the Lost Stories, because the original concepts for Earth Aid and Thin Ice were a perfect send-off (Ace becomes a starship captain, taking charge of the situation, and then is given a final test by the Time Lords, followed by her departure and Raine's entrance), but instead we ended up with Ace sticking around as an awkward third wheel for the Doctor and Raine. Which reminds me that what I want next for the Seventh Doctor is Raine. Lots of Raine. So much Raine that it's a driving hazard and they're worried about the rivers flooding. More Chris Cwej and Roz would be brilliant as well. And a few more solo adventures. As far as my version Of canon goes, Benny V1 and V2 bridge the gap between the VNAs and Main Range, so for me I would want to see Ace Havana reason to return to the academy rather than join it, which is much easier to get around. Also I’d like to see the Doctor pick up a post-Gallifrey Ace from her work with A Charitable Earth soon after she leaves him, from his point of view so that they can continue travelling together until their adventures lead into Ground Zero. Until we get an actual Ace joining the Academy story, I’m running with the fan theory that Ace was resurrected post Ground Zero and brought to the Academy, which is why she can’t remember how she got there in Intervention Earth. Mostly because I really hate Ground Zero as an end for Ace and will find any excuse I can to ignore it.
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Post by constonks on Mar 28, 2018 21:59:40 GMT
As far as my version Of canon goes, Benny V1 and V2 bridge the gap between the VNAs and Main Range, so for me I would want to see Ace Havana reason to return to the academy rather than join it, which is much easier to get around. Also I’d like to see the Doctor pick up a post-Gallifrey Ace from her work with A Charitable Earth soon after she leaves him, from his point of view so that they can continue travelling together until their adventures lead into Ground Zero. Until we get an actual Ace joining the Academy story, I’m running with the fan theory that Ace was resurrected post Ground Zero and brought to the Academy, which is why she can’t remember how she got there in Intervention Earth. Mostly because I really hate Ground Zero as an end for Ace and will find any excuse I can to ignore it. Aye, that's my assumption as well. Still allows the Eighth Doctor to be mad at the Threshold but doesn't leave Ace dead. I'd love to novelise Ground Zero with that ending in place - as well as Ace realising upon her resurrection that the Doctor wiped the VNAs from her mind in The Prisoner's Dilemma. It's a bit continuity heavy but I think it could be a compelling story. More on the topic though - what's the reason to think Mel is leaving soon?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 28, 2018 22:57:17 GMT
More on the topic though - what's the reason to think Mel is leaving soon? I was wondering that myself.
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Post by relativetime on Mar 28, 2018 23:00:40 GMT
Until we get an actual Ace joining the Academy story, I’m running with the fan theory that Ace was resurrected post Ground Zero and brought to the Academy, which is why she can’t remember how she got there in Intervention Earth. Mostly because I really hate Ground Zero as an end for Ace and will find any excuse I can to ignore it. Aye, that's my assumption as well. Still allows the Eighth Doctor to be mad at the Threshold but doesn't leave Ace dead. I'd love to novelise Ground Zero with that ending in place - as well as Ace realising upon her resurrection that the Doctor wiped the VNAs from her mind in The Prisoner's Dilemma. It's a bit continuity heavy but I think it could be a compelling story. More on the topic though - what's the reason to think Mel is leaving soon? I haven't listened to the Ace and Mel stories in a while, but from what I can recall, Mel seemed ready to leave the TARDIS pretty soon in The Blood Furnace.
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Post by constonks on Mar 28, 2018 23:54:37 GMT
Aye, that's my assumption as well. Still allows the Eighth Doctor to be mad at the Threshold but doesn't leave Ace dead. I'd love to novelise Ground Zero with that ending in place - as well as Ace realising upon her resurrection that the Doctor wiped the VNAs from her mind in The Prisoner's Dilemma. It's a bit continuity heavy but I think it could be a compelling story. More on the topic though - what's the reason to think Mel is leaving soon? I haven't listened to the Ace and Mel stories in a while, but from what I can recall, Mel seemed ready to leave the TARDIS pretty soon in The Blood Furnace. But only really in that situation - an old friend/flame offering her a job. That doesn't necessarily mean she'll take the next opportunity out.
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Post by omega on Mar 29, 2018 0:41:03 GMT
More Raine please. She's been underused and I'd love to hear her fleshed out in a set of stories as the sole companion of the Seventh Doctor and no other characters or monsters.
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Post by omega on Mar 29, 2018 0:42:05 GMT
I haven't listened to the Ace and Mel stories in a while, but from what I can recall, Mel seemed ready to leave the TARDIS pretty soon in The Blood Furnace. But only really in that situation - an old friend/flame offering her a job. That doesn't necessarily mean she'll take the next opportunity out. Tegan had a love interest in this month's Main Range. Despite being conflicted she still left with the Doctor, Adric and Nyssa.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 9:50:23 GMT
More on the topic though - what's the reason to think Mel is leaving soon? I was wondering that myself. Seven, Ace and Mel have been on a collision course since A Life of Crime. Mel isn't Hex and she isn't the girl from Peads Porridge anymore - she's seen the darkness of the universe and despite it, she still retains her compassion, empathy and morality, iron-clad. She isn't going to enable him or be manipulated, especially not after Glitz. She's the counterpoint to Seven's attiude to the universe. Is she able to see that sometimes there aren't easy choices? Yes. Is she going to play The Doctor's game or agree with his actions? No. And despite The Doctor holding back on his usual modus operadi due to her return and trying to reconcile his identity post-Hex, she's visibly uncomfortable with his behaviour in The Sontaran Candiate and his actions prior. While Mel isn't Doctor-level, she's still one of the smartest people in the room and when push comes to shove, she's going to call him out on his actions and not go along with it. She's horrified by what Seven has done to Ace. The stories themselves have reflected this - being very Season 25, but with overshadowed darkness. Seven and Mel can't go back to where they were, just as Seven and Ace can't. And Mel isn't going to stay or stand for it.
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Post by omega on Mar 29, 2018 9:56:46 GMT
The problem with the Seventh Doctor, Ace and Mel stories is that there isn't any direction or long term goal. Characterization fluctuates to suit the story the writer wants to tell, but overall there isn't a cohesive story or character arc in sight. Despite this being post-Hex it's a very season 25/26 Ace, and Mel still seems like the young woman from Pease Pottage. I don't mind stories with this crew, but some narrative direction and consistency in the characterization would be much appreciated. Look at what's going on with the Sixth Doctor, Constance and Flip.
Look at Silurian Candidate. The Doctor isn't letting anyone in on his plan (which really doesn't warrant the secrecy he attaches to it, it just makes things harder), Ace is once again fed up and wants him to know it, while Mel is sort of just there. The writer tries to have her reflecting on how she may be the heart in the team, but it doesn't go anywhere.
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