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Post by omega on Nov 7, 2015 22:05:03 GMT
In light of the Main Range evolution thread content, I though it might be nice to offer ways to invigorate the range. Please note this is not a debate about the merits and drawbacks of the trilogy format. - Give the Fifth Doctor a new audio original companion. The last one only lasted one trilogy back in early 2009.
- Do more with the season 21 TARDIS teams. 5/Tegan/Turlough hasn't been explored in full cast, 5/Turlough has been fantastic in the three stories they had and it's been 2008/2009 since a story with the Fifth Doctor and Peri. Bring Kamelion into the audios proper, say his voice box has changed or been damaged. I haven't seen enougn Kamelion fans to merit a backlash against recasting the role.
- The Seventh Doctor and Raine. Raine has been sorely underused, overshadowed by Ace in the Lost Stories and pretty much everything else in UNIT: Dominion (including audibly expecting father Pete Wilson, who never seems to shut up about the baby on the way!). Some stories with just her and the Doctor, no returning characters, in the vein of the recent Seventh Doctor and Mel trilogy, so we can learn more about Raine as a person than just posh girl safecracker.
- Fewer sequels to TV stories. Unless the writer finds a new and innovative spin on the original, the sequel tends to retread the same steps. It's particularly bad when it's almost a cliche now to to a Fifth Doctor audio featuring a monster, character or setting from a Fourth Doctor TV story.
- The Fifth Doctor traveling with Todd from Kinda. She's a lot like Nyssa, only without the emotional and psychic baggage and has more life experience. One story could also have Simon Rouse as Hindle, recovering from his madness on Deva Loka, and the Doctor's return threatens a relapse.
- Sabalom Glitz to make an appearance. Perhaps when Constance is still a companion. They'd be a hoot together!
- A return for Frobisher. Poor sales are often cited as the reason he was limited to two releases in 2000 and 2003, but the character has had more exposure in the DWM graphic novels and the 2013 IDW Prisoner of Time comic strip. The Holy Terror is often said to be a highlight of that early period. There should be enough established fans at this point to justify his inclusion.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 7, 2015 22:47:27 GMT
I want to see the War Doctor meet the 4th Doctor at the point where 4 is about to decide whether he has the right in Genesis of the Daleks. Don't know how it would work but it would be brilliant IMO.
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Post by omega on Nov 7, 2015 23:18:40 GMT
I want to see the War Doctor meet the 4th Doctor at the point where 4 is about to decide whether he has the right in Genesis of the Daleks. Don't know how it would work but it would be brilliant IMO. John Hurt would really deliver the line "do I have the right?"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 0:12:39 GMT
In light of the Main Range evolution thread content, I though it might be nice to offer ways to invigorate the range. Please note this is not a debate about the merits and drawbacks of the trilogy format. - Give the Fifth Doctor a new audio original companion. The last one only lasted one trilogy back in early 2009.
- Do more with the season 21 TARDIS teams. 5/Tegan/Turlough hasn't been explored in full cast, 5/Turlough has been fantastic in the three stories they had and it's been 2008/2009 since a story with the Fifth Doctor and Peri. Bring Kamelion into the audios proper, say his voice box has changed or been damaged. I haven't seen enougn Kamelion fans to merit a backlash against recasting the role.
Your forgetting, Hannah Bartholemew my dear fellah! (Although strangely and oddly underdeveloped) As for Five, I think his main range content is going to continue to be Tegan based for now. The Five/Tulough and Peri/Five stories were born out of neccessity - for many a prospective customer, Peri is Six's companion and these releases still rather oddly placed within the actual TV stories. I don't think it means we won't get new stories set within those eras, but I'd imagine they would probably be in a Five box set of some kind to lure in new listeners to those titles. Given the placement of next year's triolgey and how much Mark Strickison enjoys reuniting with old friends, I think it's a certain bet that we'll be getting post- Entropy Plague stories at some point. Given that Tegan and Tulough's dynamic with each other post-Nyssa is a well-trodden path on TV and Big Finish's perchance for creating new eras, I think it's highly possible we'll be getting a new companion for Five in 2017. Big Finish seem relucanct to do new material with Kamelion, although John Dorney is a huge fan of Five's era, so who knows?
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Post by omega on Nov 8, 2015 0:40:19 GMT
In light of the Main Range evolution thread content, I though it might be nice to offer ways to invigorate the range. Please note this is not a debate about the merits and drawbacks of the trilogy format. - Give the Fifth Doctor a new audio original companion. The last one only lasted one trilogy back in early 2009.
- Do more with the season 21 TARDIS teams. 5/Tegan/Turlough hasn't been explored in full cast, 5/Turlough has been fantastic in the three stories they had and it's been 2008/2009 since a story with the Fifth Doctor and Peri. Bring Kamelion into the audios proper, say his voice box has changed or been damaged. I haven't seen enougn Kamelion fans to merit a backlash against recasting the role.
Your forgetting, Hannah Bartholemew my dear fellah! (Although strangely and oddly underdeveloped) Given the placement of next year's triolgey and how much Mark Strickison enjoys reuniting with old friends, I think it's a certain bet that we'll be getting post- Entropy Plague stories at some point. Given that Tegan and Tulough's dynamic with each other post-Nyssa is a well-trodden path on TV and Big Finish's perchance for creating new eras, I think it's highly possible we'll be getting a new companion for Five in 2017. Big Finish seem relucanct to do new material with Kamelion, although John Dorney is a huge fan of Five's era, so who knows? That's how forgettable and underdeveloped Hannah was! The main problem was that the trilogy wasn't properly marketed. "The Fifth Doctor and Nyssa get a new companion!" sounds so much better than "The Fifth Doctor is back for three new adventures with Nyssa!". You also never quite get a feel for how that dynamic would have worked, since they only really interact as a TARDIS crew at the end of Tomb Ship and behave largely out of character in Masquerade. Kamelion was in Circular Time. There is promise in a Fifth Doctor, Tegan and Turlough trilogy, developing that dynamic in relation to Turlough's developing characterisation. At least on audio we don't have to see Tegan's costume for that run of stories!
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Post by elgranto on Nov 8, 2015 0:45:19 GMT
I know Nick Briggs has ruled this one out, but does anyone want to see Tom Baker in the Main Range after he wraps up the 4DAs? Unless he gets the odd special release after 2017, which is when I assume the 4DAs will come to an end after BF revisits Season 18, I can't imagine a better place than the Main Range for Tom to have further adventures. Maybe a new era set between Deadly Assassin and Face of Evil where Four is travelling solo perhaps?
It'd be nice too if Paul McGann makes another one-off appearance in the Main Range like he did with The Company of Friends and the Mary Shelley trilogy. I'd love to have Fitz as played by Matt di Angelo return for more stories with Eight, maybe alongside Trix at a time set after the EDA books just so we can get some closure for that TARDIS team. Destrii is in need of some closure too I think.
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Post by omega on Nov 8, 2015 0:51:52 GMT
It'd be nice too if Paul McGann makes another one-off appearance in the Main Range like he did with The Company of Friends and the Mary Shelley trilogy. I'd love to have Fitz as played by Matt di Angelo return for more stories with Eight, maybe alongside Trix at a time set after the EDA books just so we can get some closure for that TARDIS team. Destrii is in need of some closure too I think. Oh yeah! We can finally learn something about Trix's past. Give The Gallifrey Chronicles a proper ending. Also, an adaptation of The Gallifrey Chronicles. It'd be great to revisit the EDA books period. Usually it's the New Adventures everyone gets all nostalgic over, forgetting the BBC did their own lines of classic Who novels.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 0:54:11 GMT
Your forgetting, Hannah Bartholemew my dear fellah! (Although strangely and oddly underdeveloped) Given the placement of next year's triolgey and how much Mark Strickison enjoys reuniting with old friends, I think it's a certain bet that we'll be getting post- Entropy Plague stories at some point. Given that Tegan and Tulough's dynamic with each other post-Nyssa is a well-trodden path on TV and Big Finish's perchance for creating new eras, I think it's highly possible we'll be getting a new companion for Five in 2017. Big Finish seem relucanct to do new material with Kamelion, although John Dorney is a huge fan of Five's era, so who knows? That's how forgettable and underdeveloped Hannah was! The main problem was that the trilogy wasn't properly marketed. "The Fifth Doctor and Nyssa get a new companion!" sounds so much better than "The Fifth Doctor is back for three new adventures with Nyssa!". You also never quite get a feel for how that dynamic would have worked, since they only really interact as a TARDIS crew at the end of Tomb Ship and behave largely out of character in Masquerade. It was such a bizzare move on Big Finish's part - perhaps, the actress's avaliability for future releases became limited into recording? As for Kamelion, on the podcast it's been brought up many times and there's been an expressed reluctance on behalf of the Big Finish team for new content featuring the character Although, one day, perhaps, he might come back....
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Post by omega on Nov 8, 2015 1:12:15 GMT
That's how forgettable and underdeveloped Hannah was! The main problem was that the trilogy wasn't properly marketed. "The Fifth Doctor and Nyssa get a new companion!" sounds so much better than "The Fifth Doctor is back for three new adventures with Nyssa!". You also never quite get a feel for how that dynamic would have worked, since they only really interact as a TARDIS crew at the end of Tomb Ship and behave largely out of character in Masquerade. It was such a bizzare move on Big Finish's part - perhaps, the actress's avaliability for future releases became limited into recording? The product pages for Tomb Ship and Masquerade don't credit Francesca Hunt at all, even today, well over a year since they were released! Surely by this point the statute of limitations around the spoiler status of Hannah as companion has ended. Recording dates: Moonflesh: 22 and 23 November 2012 Tomb Ship: 10 and 11 December 2013 Masquerade: 8 and 9 May 2013 In short, Hannah as companion was an odd one, if only because she got limited exposure as such in the stories.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 1:48:44 GMT
I know Nick Briggs has ruled this one out, but does anyone want to see Tom Baker in the Main Range after he wraps up the 4DAs? Unless he gets the odd special release after 2017, which is when I assume the 4DAs will come to an end after BF revisits Season 18, I can't imagine a better place than the Main Range for Tom to have further adventures. Maybe a new era set between Deadly Assassin and Face of Evil where Four is travelling solo perhaps? It'd be nice too if Paul McGann makes another one-off appearance in the Main Range like he did with The Company of Friends and the Mary Shelley trilogy. I'd love to have Fitz as played by Matt di Angelo return for more stories with Eight, maybe alongside Trix at a time set after the EDA books just so we can get some closure for that TARDIS team. Destrii is in need of some closure too I think. I don't think The Fourth Doctor Adventures will end simply because Big Finish will revisit Season 18 - it's too popular a range and the format works well for listeners who came back to Doctor Who through the revival. I'd imagine that series six however will open up new possibilities within the time frame of season eighteen for future series and explore Four's more despondent state of mind. I don't think Four will ever enter the main range - The Fourth Doctor Adventures was designed to have a lot of Fourth Doctor material avaliable and I can't see Big Finish ever going back on that.
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Post by grazey on Nov 8, 2015 2:53:49 GMT
Long way off but when the next license gets renewed transition the main range/4th doctor/early adventures8th/10th/war into a line of box sets 1 every month. For instance have 2 4 doctor box sets a year with 4 stories in each (instead of 8 single)and like the 10th doctor set have the choice of buying the stories seperately or together and also bundles for those that want to buy a few in a go. I would do something like this:
Jan: 5th Feb: war Mar: 8 Apr: 4 May: 10 Jun: 3 Jul:6 Aug:1 Sep: 4 Oct:8 Nov:2 Dec: war
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 8, 2015 3:01:36 GMT
Tom to get a release like "Company of Friends."
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 8, 2015 4:09:58 GMT
What, exactly, is wrong with a leather mini-skirt?
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Post by omega on Nov 8, 2015 4:16:03 GMT
What, exactly, is wrong with a leather mini-skirt? ??
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 8, 2015 5:03:36 GMT
You said that at least on audio we can't see Tegsn's costume, I asked what was wrong with a leather skirt.
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Post by omega on Nov 8, 2015 5:10:17 GMT
You said that at least on audio we can't see Tegsn's costume, I asked what was wrong with a leather skirt. Sorry, you'd deleted the content of my post in your quote, so I wound up assuming that the name Hannah is somehow linked to skirts (I'm clueless about fashion). Let's just say it's more to do with some interpretations of that multi-colored top of Tegan's. Janet deserved more than the costumes she got. It's very tame compared to what Colin would be forced to don though.
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Post by seeley on Nov 8, 2015 6:54:53 GMT
I'd like to see a Fourth Doctor trilogy in the main range, for the annual three wildcard releases. I'm not overly thrilled with the tendency of some 4DA's to attempt to recreate Tom's era(s), something I feel falls all too easily prey to the nostalgia-trap (the idea that everything you loved when you were young was safe and predictable and chock full of recurring elements), but if writers are going to ape the televised stories, they might at least do so in the same span of time. I think the "It's Saturday Night teatime, in 1977, all over again!" goal-cum-tagline is grossly-misbegotten, trying as it is to do "trad" storytelling in a format untrue to the era. It's not as if you can extrapolate an entire series on the basis of the Sontaran Experiment. More Eighth Doctor would be welcome as well, especially with Fitz. A reappearance by Mary Shelly would also be welcome. It would be a shame if the trilogy she got was the last thing featuring her. The Silver Turk was a troubled story, albeit buoyed by Marc Platt's typical brilliance, and the strength of the actors; Witch from the Well was insipid, stupid, historically inaccurate in the extreme (which wouldn't have bothered me had the result not been so cartoonish,) with an uncharacteristically irritable (and irritating) Eighth Doctor (who rebukes the villagers for delaying human evolution, when it was the alien villains that did so!); and I haven't had the heart to listen to Army of the Dead (who knows, perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised,) which has gotten poor reviews. Which reminds me: I know this won't happen, but I'd love to see the Fourth Doctor travelling with the Mary Shelly Reprise from Managra (a criminally forgotten story.) Europa is an absolutely brilliant setting, so if nothing else, a return to it is long overdue. Come to think of it, both Witch from The Well and the Silver Turk have some rather poorly thought-out plot and character logic. The climax of the Silver Turk is rather gutted by the fact that it relies on the assumption that Cybermen are native to the nineteenth century, when the Doctor has already called the two in the story "out of time" (or something to that effect;) Brehm is malfunctioning and misinformed; and Spare Parts (which Platt also wrote) has Mondas heading towards Earth's solar system at the end, which means that even if the Cyberman did exist in the 1873 (in which case, Brehm's ship got there considerably faster than Mondas did,) Brehm's transmission wouldn't have made a difference.
Mitzi marrying Stahlbaum felt wrong. Yes, they were old flames, but you'd think his getting her husband into the mess that killed him might strain their relationship.
As for Witch in the Well: In addition to the aforementioned bit about the deaths of the Squire's children, there's Agnes Bates. She's meant to be a sympathetic, wronged character, but the revelation of her affair with the Squire, whose wife was dying at the time, rather goes against that portrayal. Since the villagers didn't accuse her of adultery out of prejudice, it makes their shunning of her considerably more understandable. Don't get me wrong, she's likable, but not quite the innocent victim that she's made out to be (obviously, what the villagers try to do to her is still obscene.)
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 8, 2015 10:57:53 GMT
I am very happy with the 4DA and the box sets for Tom, so I have no real desire to see him in the monthly range.
However what I would very much like is for him to appear in the other Doctors adventures. Tom distanced himself from the TV series, so we never got his return and interactions with his replacements.
If Big Finish can contrive a reason for a trilogy of stories where each Doctor meets up with the 4th Doctor I would be pleased.
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Post by CookieMaster on Nov 8, 2015 11:12:44 GMT
Long way off but when the next license gets renewed transition the main range/4th doctor/early adventures8th/10th/war into a line of box sets 1 every month. For instance have 2 4 doctor box sets a year with 4 stories in each (instead of 8 single)and like the 10th doctor set have the choice of buying the stories seperately or together and also bundles for those that want to buy a few in a go. I would do something like this: Jan: 5th Feb: war Mar: 8 Apr: 4 May: 10 Jun: 3 Jul:6 Aug:1 Sep: 4 Oct:8 Nov:2 Dec: war Maybe even further into the future you could have a month per Doctor (1st to 12th Doctor), with each Doctor getting supplementary boxsets depending on how much workload they require? Something similar to Destiny of the Doctor could be good and If Eccleston is ever convinced, he and Hurt could share the 9th month perhaps, they do tend to squeeze out 13 main range releases per year anyway (And it does tend to be September, the 9th month, that gets a double release, spooky).
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Nov 8, 2015 11:41:35 GMT
1) Main range single Doctor trilogies - only 1 (or occasionally 2) per year per Doctor so we shouldn't expect too much variety 5 - many living TV companions so no real need for a new one - recently they've been focussing on Tegan, Nyssa and Turlough with no room for a new companion. Now we are getting Tegan and Nyssa, maybe next Tegan and Turlough, maybe they can get Matthew Waterhouse into the Main Range
6- they are currently focussing on Constance, but they NEED to continue the returned Peri arc, and there is talk about more Flip (which is good)
7 - With Hex gone they should focus on Raine (if they can) or a new companion (or both), and maybe continue from the end of Daleks among us
2) multi-stories/multi doctor trilogies - more room for variety here - and the multi story release remains a good place to try out new writers (maybe they can give some writers like Simon Furman a second chance in one of these) maybe a comic themed trilogy - 5 & Shayde, 6 & Frobisher, 7 & Benny vs Beep the Meep
3) other Doctors - more 8 & Mary, Tom, maybe a New-Who Doctor
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