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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 1, 2018 21:36:09 GMT
Apparently holidays give me too much time to think, but while there seem to be those of us who are always happy to have more stories with Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, or Terry Malloy, it seems like it might relatively rare for people including myself to be clamoring for more stories with Davros. This strikes me as slightly curious especially given Davros' relationship to the Daleks, and likewise considering what I've heard so far of I, Davros is very good, and that I was greatly pleased when the character appeared opposite Capaldi.
What might have happened here? Are three other classic villains already sort of a plateful to be asking for more of, or has Davros come to be thought of as if sort of only a spare Dalek? Is it a creative challenge to keep doing interesting things with the character, or is there still plenty of potential left for Davros stories? Should there be more stories featuring Davros, and if so, what sort of stories?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 23:15:00 GMT
Apparently holidays give me too much time to think, but while there seem to be those of us who are always happy to have more stories with Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, or Terry Malloy, it seems like it might relatively rare for people including myself to be clamoring for more stories with Davros. This strikes me as slightly curious especially given Davros' relationship to the Daleks, and likewise considering what I've heard so far of I, Davros is very good, and that I was greatly pleased when the character appeared opposite Capaldi. What might have happened here? Are three other classic villains already sort of a plateful to be asking for more of, or has Davros come to be thought of as if sort of only a spare Dalek? Is it a creative challenge to keep doing interesting things with the character, or is there still plenty of potential left for Davros stories? Should there be more stories featuring Davros, and if so, what sort of stories? I think it's better to use him sparingly. The Daleks are such a presence up onto themselves, that their humanoid creator kind of dilutes from their impact. As much as I love Davros, there was never a reason to bring him back after Genesis. His story was done. The original series could have gone down the route of him acting independent of the Daleks, trying to bring down his own creations or done stories like Davros with his madness inflicted upon the universe without involving his creations. The Doctor agasint the Daleks is a much stronger intresting dramatic proposition then The Doctor agasint the mad scientist and his disobedient creations. I might not be a fan of the story, but Terra Firma, for me, righited the ship and gave the Daleks back the stage. The original series should have pushed forward and done new things with the Daleks, rather then bring back their creator. Give me a Dalek Time Controller, The Cult of Skaro and conceptually The Paradagrim were VERY intresting, rather then another Davros story. I've been impressed by how Big Finish and Moffatt have used the character, but I'm not clamouring for more. I wouldn't be surprised if Chibnall wasn't planning to take him off the board permeantly. |
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Post by glutamodo on Apr 2, 2018 0:16:36 GMT
I also think that Davros was a bit over-used. Now, I do think that I, Davros was a nice standalone effort though.
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Post by constonks on Apr 2, 2018 0:19:41 GMT
If we saw any more Davros, I'd like to see something new with him - probably without Daleks - either in the ongoing Eighth Doctor box sets (preferably in a standalone episode, not as an arc villain) or in the Time War.
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Post by theotherjosh on Apr 2, 2018 1:53:40 GMT
I happen to like Davros a lot, because more than almost any other recurring baddie, he has plans that work. The Master is practically self-foiling anymore, but I really feel like Davros's plots would come to fruition if not for the Doctor's intervention.
That said, I do appreciate that he's used somewhat sparingly. Not every Dalek story has to be a Davros, and I think BF uses him fairly judiciously. (I think part of that is because they couldn't use him for the longest time, but the point still stands.)
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 2, 2018 9:41:42 GMT
I think the only time to use Davros now is with Julian Bleach in the Eighth Doctor: Time War range. He’s a great villain, but Big Finish have exhausted the gaps with him already; there aren’t all that many to start with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 10:19:13 GMT
Davros is my favourite Who villain. Almost sympathetic, sly, conniving, pretty frightening and when he starts ranting - which sadly Julian Bleach's version doesn't do much - is pretty terrifying and tailor-made for audio. If anything, I think BF have under-used him. He's the creator of the Daleks, and I wouldn't like him to be without them, or them without him. So, the more Molloy Davros for me the better  |
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Post by glutamodo on Apr 2, 2018 10:35:38 GMT
I don't dislike the use of the character, I just think that TV rather over-used him. BF has not and their use of him have been decent. That one with Ol' Sixie and Davros was a good'un too.
Now when Davros is reduced to "Mouthpiece of the Daleks", that's not good. When Davros as a character is explored, yes, that's very fine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 11:38:15 GMT
Now when Davros is reduced to "Mouthpiece of the Daleks", that's not good. When Davros as a character is explored, yes, that's very fine. I agree. Davros is boring if he's only the leader of a group of Daleks and talking for them. Davros to be interesting should be much more than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 12:07:42 GMT
I think the only time to use Davros now is with Julian Bleach in the Eighth Doctor: Time War range. He’s a great villain, but Big Finish have exhausted the gaps with him already; there aren’t all that many to start with. Eh, I think Big Finish will probably have him active again in the chronological Eight stories. There's no need to do everything yet in the Time War box sets. I'd rather they kept Molloy, to be honest - Bleach's performance was fantastic, but Molloy's been in the role for more then thirty-four years now. The only reason he didn't return onscreen was because Molloy's physical health wouldn't allow him to get back in the chair. Big Finish could always make a note in the news item: played by Terry Molloy who played the role on television in the 1980s and has faced Paul McGann on audio or some such. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 14:00:46 GMT
I mostly steer clear of Davros stories as a lot of the time he is written as a generic evil scientist (*ahem * Journey's End *ahem*), but when he is utilised well, he is utilised really well (see Magician's Apprentice etc).
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Post by Digi on Apr 2, 2018 20:45:10 GMT
I think Davros is a really fascinating villain in concept, but all too often writers (be they TV or audio writers) fall into the trap of having him just being a shouty prat. You can only hear "I! AM! DAVROS!" so many times.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 2, 2018 21:04:53 GMT
I don't know that Davros is underappreciated but I also don't think he has been overused. With the exception of I, Davros, I think a little of the character goes a long way and I do also think the new series, especially the 12th Doctor two-parter, has gotten the balance & tone especially right.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 2, 2018 21:19:04 GMT
Having put a Davros search in on the Big Finish website I realise that he hasn’t appeared on audio opposite the Fifth Doctor!?
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Post by mark687 on Apr 2, 2018 21:54:13 GMT
Until this Thread I would've said no but now 
He's coldly brilliant he switches logically amoral to cruelly sadistic on the spin And {Spoiler}
Mel Bush had him shot! Come on you have to be some serious Bad A** to deserve that.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 2, 2018 22:03:52 GMT
Having put a Davros search in on the Big Finish website I realise that he hasn’t appeared on audio opposite the Fifth Doctor!? They could easily fit one in too, there's a gap between where Davros ends up in Resurrection of the Daleks and where he turns up in Davros. I prefer him used sparingly as its all-too easy for him to just be the Daleks' mouthpiece or a generic mad scientist. Also, is I, Davros any good? I'm thinking of giving it a go once I've cleared my backlog. |
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Post by mark687 on Apr 2, 2018 22:07:46 GMT
Having put a Davros search in on the Big Finish website I realise that he hasn’t appeared on audio opposite the Fifth Doctor!? They could easily fit one in too, there's a gap between where Davros ends up in Resurrection of the Daleks and where he turns up in Davros. I prefer him used sparingly as its all-too easy for him to just be the Daleks' mouthpiece or a generic mad scientist. Also, is I, Davros any good? I'm thinking of giving it a go once I've cleared my backlog. I Davros is excellent and at is current DL Prices a Bargin
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 2, 2018 22:07:51 GMT
I, Davros is one of the best things Big Finish have done, I’d say. Definitely recommended and it’s only four stories too.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 2, 2018 22:28:35 GMT
(oops. Wrong thread at first).
Comment for this thread: I don't know, it depends. In his more panto portrayals, he is correctly not particularly appreciated (Journey's End). But then, there's Genisis in the classic series, Davros in the MR, etc.
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