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Post by xlozdob on Apr 28, 2018 1:33:13 GMT
I think instead of recasting Delgado (and I don't have anything against that) or creating a new incarnation, maybe they should use the Third Doctor's Master!
...albeit one from another universe. Why not use a version of Sam Kisgart's Master in these stories? I think it could work, Gatiss loves this era of the show (he even has one of the 3rd Doctor's jackets) and he seems to be good friends with Katy.
An unburnt Beevers could also be an option, but I think Kisgart would be more fun and maybe change the dynamic a bit, spice things up. And then, down the line, have a story with Beevers before he heads off to Tersurus.
What do you think?
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Post by redsharkJason on Apr 28, 2018 3:28:42 GMT
For my preference, it has to be the original TV incarnation of the Master. As I am comfortable with the Tim Treloar recast of Pertwee. I am also receptive for Delgado being faithfully recast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 6:18:34 GMT
I would rather have Beevers, i think Gatisvwould be a bit on the nose. Tbh unlike characters like the Brigadier and Sarah who would be able to tell interseting storys, the master as a character stays quite similar until Gomez and so i dont really think we need a Delgado impersonator, beevers would fill the same roll and tbh i really dont think anyone could do Delgado justice. The looks he gave the subtlty of his performance, i believe it would be hard to capture. Altho if they wanted to adapt his final story that was originally planned as a lost story or something, that might be interesting.
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Post by constonks on Apr 28, 2018 13:21:30 GMT
Given that Delgado turned into Kisgart in the other universe, I personally like to believe there's a Mark Gatiss Master somewhere between Delgado and Beevers. Beevers might be a better fit against Treloar, though.
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Post by tardybox on Apr 28, 2018 16:23:30 GMT
Given that Delgado turned into Kisgart in the other universe, I personally like to believe there's a Mark Gatiss Master somewhere between Delgado and Beevers. Beevers might be a better fit against Treloar, though. ^ This. I love Beevers as the Master, but to me he's more the foe of 4-onwards. That's not to say that I don't want him to show up in the 3DAs (heck, I'd probably preorder that set faster than anything I've ever done before) but that I'm more open to the idea of BF creating a new incarnation of the Master for Tim Treloar to face off against. I mean, you can never have too many of the suave renegades, can ya?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 17:51:11 GMT
For my preference, it has to be the original TV incarnation of the Master. As I am comfortable with the Tim Treloar recast of Pertwee. I am also receptive for Delgado being faithfully recast. For myself, absolutely so. With Tim Treloar, Frazer Hines and Elliot Chapman i find the portrayals take me back to the Televised stories seamlessly, to the point that i do not visualise another actor impersonating, provided the stories are a suitable fit and feel recreation of their period. The question is whether as listeners we want pastiche recreations or new directions for past Doctors. I like a cosy nostalgia trip back to 60's and 70's Who all too often with early Doctors, though appreciate that many want something less predictable and more dynamic. Michelle Gomez though - she's got to be on the Big Finish headhunters list for potential past Doctor encounters...
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Post by constonks on Apr 28, 2018 19:39:36 GMT
Overall, I would be happy with: - A faithful Treloaresque Delgado recast - Main Universe version of Kisgart - Pre-decayed Beevers - Someone else, playing a new incarnation of the Master
I wouldn't be thrilled if it was a future Master or James Dreyfus. I'd just rather have the Doctor meet the Master in order most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 20:13:54 GMT
I wouldn't like Gattis to play this Universe's Master. Kinda takes the fun out of having an alternate cast list for the Unbound universe. I like the notion that the casting there is it's own thing.
There's room for new characterisation with a new Master, exciting casting for an unseen incarnation....I'd rather see that. Gattis gets the same treatment as James Dreyfus just did - perfectly good but written and performed as Generic Master 101; charming, debonair and yet vainglorious and deadly. Something new would be great. It does frustrate that The Doctor changes so much from body to body yet The Master in the classic era is almost always variations on a theme - all through the filter of Delgado. Only MacQueen gets to really play it differently and even then he's very Simm-like rather than something totally fresh. I get the "But Delgado was so iconic" thing but, well, so was Tom Baker. Doesn't mean that everyone just did a Fourth Doctor avatar when Tom left.
I'd have zero issues with recasting Delgado's Master - then he could be written as like Roger as BF want. The argument against recasting when the range is already led by a recast doesn't hold water.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 16:01:49 GMT
I wouldn't be against recasting Delgado at all since he's been dead over forty years. I still feel after watching frontier in space that he and the third doctor had unfinished business. I believe in the Titan comics 12th doctor they show his regeneration so a Sam Kisgart version between him and beevers could still work set after that
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Post by rarewolf on May 1, 2018 7:30:36 GMT
I'd have zero issues with recasting Delgado's Master - then he could be written as like Roger as BF want. The argument against recasting when the range is already led by a recast doesn't hold water. The difference to me is that to do a full cast third Doctor story they need to have a third Doctor. Can’t avoid it. To do a third Doctor Master story after Frontier in Space you don’t need the same incarnation of Master. Indeed it might be more interesting for the Doctor, Jo and co to react to a new Master. He could hide in plain sight for most of a story.
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Post by omega on May 1, 2018 7:44:25 GMT
I'd have zero issues with recasting Delgado's Master - then he could be written as like Roger as BF want. The argument against recasting when the range is already led by a recast doesn't hold water. The difference to me is that to do a full cast third Doctor story they need to have a third Doctor. Can’t avoid it. To do a third Doctor Master story after Frontier in Space you don’t need the same incarnation of Master. Indeed it might be more interesting for the Doctor, Jo and co to react to a new Master. He could hide in plain sight for most of a story. Geoffrey Beevers playing a more bumbling, personable persona might be fun. That's part of the Second Doctor's MO, playing the idiot to distract others from his real intent. Plus this kind of Master would be enormous fun to play Jo off of, and her annoyance when discovering the man she's befriended to be the Master would be brilliant to hear. It'd also make for a nice character bit where the Doctor comforts Jo that she's not a sap.
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Post by whosonfirst on May 1, 2018 11:37:14 GMT
I think the Delgado Master in audio is a great idea.... except for the fact that we couldn't see all those expressions he pulled with his eyebrows in audio format. Ah, well; one could say the same about Patrick Troughton. He was very expressive in his face; you wouldn't think it would work on audio, but it does. P.S. - I REALLY like the idea of a pre-Terserus Beevers. It's actually an idea that's been on my mind for quite a while.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 1, 2018 13:22:21 GMT
I wouldn't be against recasting Delgado at all since he's been dead over forty years. I still feel after watching frontier in space that he and the third doctor had unfinished business. I believe in the Titan comics 12th doctor they show his regeneration so a Sam Kisgart version between him and beevers could still work set after that Its actually the 12th Doctor DWM run. But yeah, it does leave them an oppourtunity
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 21:10:29 GMT
The difference to me is that to do a full cast third Doctor story they need to have a third Doctor. Can’t avoid it. To do a third Doctor Master story after Frontier in Space you don’t need the same incarnation of Master. Indeed it might be more interesting for the Doctor, Jo and co to react to a new Master. He could hide in plain sight for most of a story. Geoffrey Beevers playing a more bumbling, personable persona might be fun. That's part of the Second Doctor's MO, playing the idiot to distract others from his real intent. Plus this kind of Master would be enormous fun to play Jo off of, and her annoyance when discovering the man she's befriended to be the Master would be brilliant to hear. It'd also make for a nice character bit where the Doctor comforts Jo that she's not a sap. The more i think about it through reading this thread, Geoffrey Beevers, being the surviving actor in the role from the classic series, seems to be an opportunity hiding in plain sight. Particularly as we never saw what led the Master to his catastrophic decayed state in Assassin/Traken and Delgado left on a kind of cliffhanger/unresolved exit at the close of Frontier. Some good creative ideas cropping up here which would make for a good original development of the character, whilst avoiding the moustache twirling Dastardly ness that followed in the eighties (as good as it was with Ainley in the role).
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 21:23:46 GMT
Just recast Delgado Master. If people have no problem with a recast 3rd Doctor then they should have no problem with a recast Delgado Master.
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Post by Whovitt on May 1, 2018 22:08:30 GMT
Geoffrey Beevers playing a more bumbling, personable persona might be fun. That's part of the Second Doctor's MO, playing the idiot to distract others from his real intent. Plus this kind of Master would be enormous fun to play Jo off of, and her annoyance when discovering the man she's befriended to be the Master would be brilliant to hear. It'd also make for a nice character bit where the Doctor comforts Jo that she's not a sap. The more i think about it through reading this thread, Geoffrey Beevers, being the surviving actor in the role from the classic series, seems to be an opportunity hiding in plain sight. Particularly as we never saw what led the Master to his catastrophic decayed state in Assassin/Traken and Delgado left on a kind of cliffhanger/unresolved exit at the close of Frontier. Some good creative ideas cropping up here which would make for a good original development of the character, whilst avoiding the moustache twirling Dastardly ness that followed in the eighties (as good as it was with Ainley in the role). Big Finish have provided an explanation for the decayed state of the Master in {Spoiler} The Two Masters
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Post by barnabaslives on May 2, 2018 12:29:55 GMT
Just recast Delgado Master. If people have no problem with a recast 3rd Doctor then they should have no problem with a recast Delgado Master. I'm not entirely sure about that - Tim as Third Doctor is an outstandingly good recast and I think I'd rather have Beevers as The Master than expect lightning to strike the same place twice. Besides, even for as terribly fond as I am of both the Delgado and Ainley Masters, I still think it's a pity that Beevers' Master didn't get more screen time on the OS, and I wish we got more of him on audio.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 0:34:25 GMT
Just recast Delgado Master. If people have no problem with a recast 3rd Doctor then they should have no problem with a recast Delgado Master. I'm not entirely sure about that - Tim as Third Doctor is an outstandingly good recast and I think I'd rather have Beevers as The Master than expect lightning to strike the same place twice. Besides, even for as terribly fond as I am of both the Delgado and Ainley Masters, I still think it's a pity that Beevers' Master didn't get more screen time on the OS, and I wish we got more of him on audio. Ditto, and Big Finish have done so much interesting stuff with him already ( Requiem for the Rocket Men stands out), it'd be great to see what they could do with him against Three. In fact, I'd be very interested to see a Beevers-penned full-length serial for the 3DAs with his Master. Set it in that gap between Planet of the Daleks and The Green Death (or even potentially prior to The Time Warrior), it could all be rather fun.
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