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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 16, 2018 0:20:15 GMT
How do you reconcile multiple incarnations being in the same time, same place for different, possibly contradictory stories (Vulcan/Pomepii, the various Frost Fair stories, Plotters/Gunpowder Plot), if you do think about it?
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 16, 2018 4:00:09 GMT
Alternate timelines, different parts of the city/ locale, different times of day/ night: Donna/10 only knocked about in a few locations on their trip to Pompeii, as did Mel/7; with the Frost Fair, Steven/Vicki/1 only really visited one shop, while Bill/12 kept on the move a fair bit (and were there on the last day) and River/11 were on a date so were presumably there in the evening. Coincidence plays such a large role in Who that occasional double-/ triple-ups can be forgiven
It really only becomes cumbersome when you look at da Vinci's Last Supper and try really hard not to notice that one disciple is wearing a long scarf, another is drinking carrot juice and a third is sporting a fez.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 5:17:35 GMT
Mm-hm. A truism in real life as well. Take it from someone who discovered that the person whom he was supposed to meet up with -- just as lost as he was -- was sitting directly opposite, on the other side of the promenade the whole time. Hidden behind two crowds.  It's easy to miss a familiar face, even if you're looking for it.  When it comes to things like The Gunpowder Plot that closely rewrite accounts... Hmm...  There's at least two explanations: - Something I'm going to call "temporal parallax", basically when one depiction of history is true for one particular point in personal Time, and;
- Outside interference from someone else with access to time travel.
A good example of both in action at once are the various iterations of Shada. The Fourth Doctor version occurred and was "true" right up until The Five Doctors, when the Doctor and Romana are spirited away in a time scoop. After that point, the original no longer exists and Time remedies the change by having the Eighth Doctor step in to fill the breach. The BF version replaces it and becomes the "true" account from roughly the TV Movie onwards. Helped in no small part by that anti-time infection/Faction Paradox virus/Omniversal Spectrum tampering/Council of Eight interference (our man is filled to the brim with malicious paradoxes). The Gunpowder Plot, likewise, may be a result of either the cracks in Time, which erased significant portions of history or the spacecraft being given 400 years to let its dimensional lesions percolate through the timestream and interfere up until it tainted a major nexus point. Maybe both? So long as the flow of history is maintained, the individual details can change. For instances where such a substitution isn't possible, like the First Doctor regenerating in The Tenth Planet, a helping hand often gets thrown into the mix (re: Attack of the Cybermen). |
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Post by sherlock on Jun 16, 2018 9:06:14 GMT
Pompeii (well the ruins of it at least) is a surprisingly big place. It's entirely possible the two Doctors could both be there and simply not run into each other. Frost Fairs equally have a lot of people so I doubt they'd notice each other, the first Doctor, Steven and Vicki presumably left before the release of the creature depicted in Thin Ice. Presumably so too did the eleventh Doctor and River, who must have been just off-screen with Stevie Wonder.
The Plotters vs The Gunpowder Plot is a messier one. We know from the First Doctor CCs Volume 2 the Daleks messed about with his timeline during the Time War, so might they have diverted them away from London 1605, thus creating the gap for The Gunpowder Plot to occur?
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Post by ollychops on Jun 17, 2018 23:02:13 GMT
Like others have said, Pompeii and the Frost Fair are fairly easy to explain away, but any major contradictions, I put down to Time War meddling rewriting events so that only one adventure happened. Or it could even be put down to the Cracks in time, too, so, for example, the events of the Plotters got swallowed up by the Crack, which allowed the events of The Gunpowder Plot to occur. Take your pick.
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Post by constonks on Jun 18, 2018 20:44:32 GMT
Like others have said, Pompeii and the Frost Fair are fairly easy to explain away, but any major contradictions, I put down to Time War meddling rewriting events so that only one adventure happened. Or it could even be put down to the Cracks in time, too, so, for example, the events of the Plotters got swallowed up by the Crack, which allowed the events of The Gunpowder Plot to occur. Take your pick. Time War is a more exciting prospect because it gives the chance for Guy Fawkes to rebel against a Dalek invasion (or a Time Lord one), then have his history rewritten all over again. And what horrible weapon turned Robin Hood into a fictional character between The Thief of Sherwood and Robots of Sherwood? |
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It's easy to miss a familiar face, even if you're looking for it. 
There's at least two explanations:
