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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 19:49:56 GMT
Disagree. I thought the animation style worked well in acknowledging the limitations of the time.
I'm glad there are people who liked the animation. I certainly wanted to love it. Had it not been Daleks I might not have liked it!
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jul 18, 2018 16:04:45 GMT
Love Troughton and co. No interest in animation. I don't really see the point. How can you recreate the facial expressions of those teams?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 22:42:42 GMT
I wonder if one day in the far future -- with technology having leapfrogged ahead -- people will look back on the animations and ask with bewilderment: "Wait... This was easier? I can do a perfect Pat Troughton on my home computer, why bother with animation when you can do basically the real thing? Was it an aesthetic choice?"
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Post by mrperson on Jul 19, 2018 17:05:16 GMT
And only a couple of weeks after I remarked I'd love to see more missing episodes animated. Great to hear!
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Post by eric009 on Jul 19, 2018 21:33:29 GMT
I truly despised the animation for Power of the Daleks and found the whole thing unwatchable. I hope they have a different, ie better, animation house. the point is a good 1 i can see why the lips movement but better that than nothing at all
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Post by eric009 on Jul 19, 2018 21:56:38 GMT
the storys that should be done are the highlanders,facelass ones evil of the daleks,fury from the deep no guess for why
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Post by eric009 on Jul 19, 2018 22:20:41 GMT
first dr myth makers dalek master plan The Massacre and The savage
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Post by relativetime on Jul 19, 2018 22:32:36 GMT
the storys that should be done are the highlanders,facelass ones evil of the daleks,fury from the deep no guess for why I think the fact that they're animating Wheel in Space might indicate the important stories (insofar as they write out or introduce new companions and characters) are on the to-do list. I wouldn't worry too much.
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Post by eric009 on Jul 19, 2018 22:37:02 GMT
Love Troughton and co. No interest in animation. I don't really see the point. How can you recreate the facial expressions of those teams? the point is some folk will see it for the first time and that's got to be good
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jul 19, 2018 22:42:39 GMT
Love Troughton and co. No interest in animation. I don't really see the point. How can you recreate the facial expressions of those teams? the point is some folk will see it for the first time and that's got to be good I've never The Macra Terror. But, I'm happy with the CD.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 22:51:10 GMT
Love Troughton and co. No interest in animation. I don't really see the point. How can you recreate the facial expressions of those teams? the point is some folk will see it for the first time and that's got to be good Exactly! These are two terrific stories - The Wheel in Space is hugely underrated, in my view - and if animation brings a new audience, and/or a new appreciation, how could that possibly be a bad thing?
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Post by sherlock on Jul 19, 2018 22:58:21 GMT
I know almost nothing about either of there stories really so can't really comment on if they're good choices.
Hope this is true anyway, more re-animations the better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 1:45:58 GMT
the point is some folk will see it for the first time and that's got to be good Exactly! These are two terrific stories - The Wheel in Space is hugely underrated, in my view - and if animation brings a new audience, and/or a new appreciation, how could that possibly be a bad thing? It's gloriously oppressive. You're very keenly aware of how isolated the crew are from the rest of the universe. There's a real sense of paranoia about what exactly the Cybermen want from the Wheel and its inhabitants. Made all the more tense by the fact that their leader's started to crack and act irrationally. If it ends up looking anything like what Loose Canon did for their reconstruction, we could end up with something really special on our hands:
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Post by Hieronymus on Jul 20, 2018 1:53:44 GMT
I have yet to complete the Power of the Daleks DVD (got through 4 episodes). I felt the animation lacked atmosphere or character, as good as the story is.
If you've seen the surviving stills, they worked closely from those. And I was tickled during the theatre release to see little details the animators captured to match the sets and props, including door movement and Dalek casing defects. If this story is found, I suspect that the sets and props will look and move much like they did in the animation. It's difficult to animate an actor's performance when only stills survive, and even having the sound can leave a great deal of the performance out.
Recall how surprisingly effective Stephanie Bidmead was as Maaga in "Galaxy Four". We'd had the sound for the story, but the recovered footage demonstrated a much stronger performance than had been suspected from the sound alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 8:40:32 GMT
Exactly! These are two terrific stories - The Wheel in Space is hugely underrated, in my view - and if animation brings a new audience, and/or a new appreciation, how could that possibly be a bad thing? It's gloriously oppressive. You're very keenly aware of how isolated the crew are from the rest of the universe. There's a real sense of paranoia about what exactly the Cybermen want from the Wheel and its inhabitants. Made all the more tense by the fact that their leader's started to crack and act irrationally. If it ends up looking anything like what Loose Canon did for their reconstruction, we could end up with something really special on our hands: That is incredible, I'd not seen that before - thanks! I think Wheel in Space is underrated because it comes at the end of a series of pretty similar 'base under seige' stories. My favourite from that run is still Fury from the Deep, but I love Wheel. Seeing that clip makes me want to listen to the soundtrack all over again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 9:11:35 GMT
It's gloriously oppressive. You're very keenly aware of how isolated the crew are from the rest of the universe. There's a real sense of paranoia about what exactly the Cybermen want from the Wheel and its inhabitants. Made all the more tense by the fact that their leader's started to crack and act irrationally. If it ends up looking anything like what Loose Canon did for their reconstruction, we could end up with something really special on our hands: That is incredible, I'd not seen that before - thanks! I think Wheel in Space is underrated because it comes at the end of a series of pretty similar 'base under seige' stories. My favourite from that run is still Fury from the Deep, but I love Wheel. Seeing that clip makes me want to listen to the soundtrack all over again. Happy to share. If you can find the reconstruction on YouTube, all six episodes have been done like that in full -- a combination of telesnaps and some very decent CGI. There's a creepiness to the Cybermen here that feels uniquely, well, alien. You get the sense that nothing can slow these things down and the animation captures that stunningly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 9:16:45 GMT
That is incredible, I'd not seen that before - thanks! I think Wheel in Space is underrated because it comes at the end of a series of pretty similar 'base under seige' stories. My favourite from that run is still Fury from the Deep, but I love Wheel. Seeing that clip makes me want to listen to the soundtrack all over again. Happy to share. If you can find the reconstruction on YouTube, all six episodes have been done like that in full -- a combination of telesnaps and some very decent CGI. There's a creepiness to the Cybermen here that feels uniquely, well, alien. You get the sense that nothing can slow these things down and the animation captures that stunningly. They've done all six episodes? I suppose an obvious question would be ... why not release this as the official DVD? It's amazing, and the style of animation captures the moody, isolated atmosphere of the original perfectly. Rights, I suppose?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 12:07:19 GMT
Happy to share. If you can find the reconstruction on YouTube, all six episodes have been done like that in full -- a combination of telesnaps and some very decent CGI. There's a creepiness to the Cybermen here that feels uniquely, well, alien. You get the sense that nothing can slow these things down and the animation captures that stunningly. They've done all six episodes? I suppose an obvious question would be ... why not release this as the official DVD? It's amazing, and the style of animation captures the moody, isolated atmosphere of the original perfectly. Rights, I suppose? Bang on the money, I think. Loose Cannon were a fan-lead group that did reconstructions through the late 1990s until the mid-2010s. Everything from The Daleks' Master Plan (glorious) to The Crusade to The Wheel in Space were recreated through telesnaps, remade model sets, CGI sequences, even reshot footage a la Day of the Daleks: Special Edition. Amazing work. In addition to that, they also did featurettes interviewing actors and even tried their hand at stuff like the Dalek spin-off pilot. Marco Polo's even got Mark Eden as an older version of Polo in Venice bookending the episodes. It's marvellous. A list of all the stories they covered can be found here on the TARDIS wikia.
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Post by eric009 on Jul 20, 2018 18:11:28 GMT
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Post by mrperson on Jul 20, 2018 18:25:59 GMT
I have yet to complete the Power of the Daleks DVD (got through 4 episodes). I felt the animation lacked atmosphere or character, as good as the story is.
If you've seen the surviving stills, they worked closely from those. And I was tickled during the theatre release to see little details the animators captured to match the sets and props, including door movement and Dalek casing defects. If this story is found, I suspect that the sets and props will look and move much like they did in the animation. It's difficult to animate an actor's performance when only stills survive, and even having the sound can leave a great deal of the performance out.
Recall how surprisingly effective Stephanie Bidmead was as Maaga in "Galaxy Four". We'd had the sound for the story, but the recovered footage demonstrated a much stronger performance than had been suspected from the sound alone.
Didn't they even include a screen-jarring effect to mimic an instance where a dalek (or person) bumped into one of the cameras during filming? Or maybe I'm making that up.
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