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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 30, 2019 20:44:46 GMT
Lela appears to be in 1795 or 1796....right around the time of Vicki's trial. It almost appears that Lela's next! This must be a terribly ignorant question, but does that make the person persecuting Lela the same person who persecuted Vicky, and Bloodline has simply given him a name? I don't know why I was thinking otherwise. Where Willie has gone is a mystery thus far. Would be so great if he found himself in a primeval world with three moons, a lot of dinosaurs, and some very intelligent lizard people. LOL! I used to like that show enough that this still sounds like a good idea no matter how unlikely it may be
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Post by bobod on Apr 30, 2019 21:11:30 GMT
Mr B Lives, you may wish to listen to Trask the Exorcist...
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Post by Trace on Apr 30, 2019 23:31:49 GMT
I forgot to mention our story's main hero! Mr. David Collins! He's somewhere with an "Anna" Collins...who someone mentioned could possibly be Quentin's (and thus Edward's, Judith's and Carl's) mother. I forget where that may have been referenced but I suppose it's a possibility. These Collinses are an incestuous bunch! And have you noticed that all their acquaintances also look like Collinses? You know, the gene pool in present day Collinsport isn't very deep. Actually, Maine is a lot like that in general. You have to be careful--and I don't recommend ANYONE ever do a genealogy. I did one of those DNA tests....scary results.
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Post by joehart1962 on May 1, 2019 4:38:21 GMT
OK. We know the Dark Lord sent Angelique into the past in Blood and Fire. Now the Son of the Dark Lord is chained up in Collinwood's basement and people are vanishing into the past. Could he be responsible for all this mayhem? Or is Dad acting up to avenge his son's imprisonment? Maybe Dad thinks one of these people will do something in the past that will prevent the Collins family from continuing, as was his original plot in B&F. Or maybe not. Is it Thursday yet?
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Post by Joseph Lidster on May 2, 2019 10:15:47 GMT
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Post by lurkerintheshadows on May 2, 2019 11:19:14 GMT
Wow! This series just gets cleverer and cleverer. I've long-since stopped trying to predict where it's heading and I'm just thoroughly enjoying the journey. Loved the casting of both a descendant and an ancestor here, and the way elements of the plot are beginning to tie together while more and more intriguing possibilities are thrown into the mix. The team are really taking full advantage of the wonderfully adventurous and bizarre nature of 'Dark Shadows' in this series. Marvellous!
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Post by Digi on May 2, 2019 11:43:07 GMT
This is...a crazy amount to try to digest, at least for me who has only just started watching the TV series. I feel like I'm just hanging on by the tips of my fingers. Okay so if I've got my timeframes right, we're dealing with: 1767 - Tom 1797 - Lela 1820 - Jackie 1870 (approx.) - David 1925 - Vivian 1984 - present timeframe
David is with Quentin's parents, if I understood right - Jeffrey (who appears not to exist on the DS Wiki but whose brother Caleb has an article), his wife Anna, their son Carl (who has apparently appeared on the show as his article has a photo).
Other stuff: - Mystery girl finally has a surname: Bonnie Sands. If this is a reference to something, it was totally lost on me. - Nice of them to reference Kate Ripperton. I miss her. - Another woman trying to kiss David. Good lord, that boy is catnip for the ladies! - It is confusing as hell for someone 'off the street' that Anna talks about a Quentin....who is not the same Quentin that appears the rest of the time - Marina turning up at Jackie's cell was a bit of a surprise, wasn't it?! - someone cast a spell on Tom's tape recorder? Interesting....is Tom going to cross paths with "Cassandra Peterson" again?
Questions: - How did we land on the assumption that the 'ghost' saying "Marina Lane" actually is Marina Lane, and that they're not two separate people? About 2/3 of the way through the episode the ghostly voice starts saying so ("so long ago"), but everybody had been assuming so prior to that.
- So who is Marina Lane? Is she also temporally displaced, like everybody else, only she's moved forward?
- Who was the male voice that yelled "get out!" that nobody heard? (And then later on was moaning "Marina Lane")
- What happened to Willie? Was he also zapped off through time, or has he just been largely absent for Bloodline?
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Post by argdov on May 2, 2019 14:48:42 GMT
So...believe it or not there are two Quentin Collins’. One from 1897, another from 1840. Ones the ancestor to the other. The 1840 Quentin is the one who built the Stairway to Time. My thoughts now: -I loved Leilas little instructions on the tape recorder. Guess we were right about everyone recording on the tape recorder.
-David pretending to be a distant cousin is amusingly similar to when Barnabas shows up
-Vivian Belle is uh....something. I don't know wether her relaxed approach to all this time travel is obnoxious or kind of fun...a bit of both I guess? Granted she ended up in the 1920s...which is a lot easier than any of the other time periods.
-Is Carl being played by David Selby doing a kiddy voice? Im not sure.
-Again, Im loving everyone working together to figure this out. Sabrina making that list of names was super smart.
-Carolyn slapping Cody/Rosier was really funny. Im loving this fierce Carolyn.
-You know I wonder how much people know about the “shady” (read: completely illegal and morally reprehensible) stuff Julias done. She mentioned trying to hypnotize Maggie before...does everyone know that she did that to cover up for Barnabas?? I would not want to be involved with her if I did. Im assuming they only know a selective part of things.
-And....Sabrinas gone. And now we know everyone can disappear WHILE others are in the room..and when did Carolyn decide to let Cody out?
-Filling in the blanks of Collins history is really nice. Ive always kinda wondered about the gap between the 1840 Collins and the ones in 1897.
-Im assuming Angelique is the one who cast the spell on the tape recorder. Im glad they covered up how on earth a tape recorder could last that long.
-this is probably pointing out the obvious but Marina Lane is for sure the person whos going to get murdered..
-I find it interesting all the time displaced people seem to land in the cave under Widows hill...i need to wonder if thats a clue.
Over all a slow episode but its certainly moving the story along! EDIT: i kind of missed this when I was first writing this so wanted to bring it up here- im also wondering about thag mysterious male vpixe. Spooky!
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Post by newt5996 on May 2, 2019 15:32:38 GMT
Okay I don't want to sound like this was a bad episode, because it wasn't, but it does feel like a weaker episode. I think this is because we're in the middle stretch of exposition and there's a definite feeling of we're getting ready to go places, but we haven't gotten there yet. As always a couple theories so: {Spoiler} -Now that Sabrina's disappeared what exactly is going to happen to Cyrus and the fact that a certain someone's locked up in the basement? Yes although nobody remembers the disappeared, their actions still have consequences so I wonder if it's going to retcon so everyone just happens to know Cyrus? Then why doesn't Amy know the name Longworth-Jennings? Did Cyrus disappear at the same time/shortly after Sabrina?
-It seems that Lela's excursion into the past is concurrent with the 1795 storyline as Trask mentions Abigail Collins summoning him for a witch, which I assume is Vicki
-The ending with Marina Lane is interesting: yes the idea is that she is going to be murdered. I also don't think Cody will be sent into the past, yes there was that scene at the beginning of Episode 2 but if I'm remembering the script correctly, nobody actually called the character Cody. It could be someone Jackie meets in the past, possibly an ancestor of Cody
-Carl Collins, odd that it doesn't sound like it's John Karlen reprising his role unless I just didn't recognize him.
-Okay can someone let Tom become a werewolf and go on a rampage please. They've been building it up for a while so I expect it will happen very soon -It's a nice touch that Quentin never has really let go of Jenny
-Julia is not the one who set the fire simply because it wouldn't make sense, she'd be more likely to continue stealing blood from the hospital and the fire is obviously a ploy so Barnabas has a freak out
-Harry is probably still alive, even if he's been fed on by Barnabas, think Maggie's state around episode 230ish -I wonder if the mysterious couple are the villains of the piece, Bonnie seems to be slowly integrating her importance with other characters, especially with Ed Griffin and I don't think this is going to be a simple red herring of hapless victims. Isn't there a character in the 1840 arc called Malachi Sands or something? (I'm only in the middle of 1970 Parallel Time)
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Post by barnabaslives on May 2, 2019 19:38:18 GMT
The episodes are still going up a mere half hour after I've gone to sleep... Arrrghhhh... :-( Oh well, I'm still the first (and only) kid on my block to hear them. :-) I think that tried to seem a bit uneventful in places although it really wasn't. The time travel thing or people disappearing certainly aren't getting old, but nothing that new seemed to happen here with either except what really stands out as exceptional. I think I like what the story's done with contrast that way. (As far as dynamics go, my recollections of Bloodlust are very similar, there's enough going on that even late in the story sometimes it seems like we're still just getting started and sort of an ongoing sense of the calm before the storm). It all makes for an excellent backdrop for what I think is most exciting about the story, the biggest item being the absolutely priceless additions to the Collins family genealogy. Long have we wondered who (werewolf) Quentin's parents are and now not only do we know their names, we're getting to meet them - such important and sensitive additions to the Collins Canon that they put Rob Morris in charge of it, according to the credits. Great fun! Big thanks to everyone involved! {Spoiler}
-We get a last name for one of our curious recurring extras and her mother who works at the hospital. There's of course a Malachi Sands in Blood & Fire. Perhaps the hope of meeting Laura in Bloodline isn't entirely extinguished? I can understand if it isn't practical for her to appear, but she is integral enough to the Collins Bloodline that I can't help but keep hoping.
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Post by silverednickle on May 2, 2019 20:47:38 GMT
Another lovely audio and certainly seems to be building up the tension and potential for some more amazing episodes.
-Who remembers when we had an episode intro with Stephanie Ellyne telling David she could feel the baby kick? We all assumed that meant that Amy and David have already conceived a child before the wedding, but maybe that was actually a flashback/flashforward to 1870ish when Ellyne as Anna Collins is pregnant with baby Quentin Collins (our werewolf gone Dorian Gray Quentin Collins)? Either way, it's an important scene.
-So happy they teased about Quentin's family and then David is getting such a snapshot of them. Was that Michael Shon as Carl or just me? Certainly would be nice having the same actors play their ancestors, not that I haven't enjoyed when Dark Shadows brought in some other amazing actors for family members.
-Vivian Bell seems fully in her element in the 1920s. Hopefully they get her out of there before 1929. It's sort of fun hearing her how throw caution to wind and having such bravado recording in front of all those gents, but she seemingly is able to keep men in the palm of her hand. I'm still holding onto a sliver of hopeful theorizing that she's some sort of supernatural being.
-Lelia Quick Collins has to be before the end of 1795 storyline because Abigail is done with summoning the Reverend Orville Viloris Trask by the end of that plotline. Happy they're giving Jerry Lacy some more screen time.
-If Sabrina and Cyrus are both sent back in time (he had that odd scene where he was running from something and been MIA and unmentioned since then). Then I wonder how this alters things with John. It seems that things stay as where they were when the person disappeared minus the person, but then things quickly change to fill in the gap.
-We had Rosier's exposition to explain the never-ending tape recorder. He conveniently found it back in the cave. Odd he didn't mention he used to live here when he was part of Hallie Stokes...
-I'm loving reading all of your comments and speculations. I figured I needed to pin down the timebands everyone is in, and it's good to see fans have already figured it all out. I'm all out of speculations and hope some ideas will be relevant, but also happy to hear another few twists from Big Finish.
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Post by pawntake on May 2, 2019 21:29:38 GMT
All i can say is,
Bonnie and Jaime are pretty looking people!!
But! I can tell you people,they are the Devils Children!!!
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Post by Trace on May 3, 2019 3:04:15 GMT
Such a great episode!...
{Spoiler} the backstory in the various time periods is fascinating to me, and brilliantly juxtaposed with present day scenes and other past times...love it. Good catch about "pregnant Amy"! I'm now thinking you're right--and it was actually "pregnant Anna".
I'm putting present day at 1985, rather than 1984....I think the events of Tainted Love took a whole year after Bloodlust finished....is that right, Rob? You would know the actual timing for Bloodline's present day.
The ghost's voice....I think it was always Marina. Just enhanced for spooky effect, making it sound like it could be a male voice at times.
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Post by Trace on May 3, 2019 3:05:58 GMT
All i can say is, Bonnie and Jaime are pretty looking people!! But! I can tell you people,they are the Devils Children!!! I'm sure they are pretty....it's a soap opera. Everyone's pretty!
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Post by mark687 on May 3, 2019 10:13:38 GMT
Update on CD Shipping via BF Newsfeed
The full box sets of the series will both be shipping out to listeners once the series has wrapped in the third week of May.
Regards
mark687
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Post by Digi on May 3, 2019 23:07:55 GMT
Oh hey, here's something: we learned a little ways into this episode, from a conversation between her and Ed, that female mystery teen is Bonnie Sands, right? Well, right near the beginning of Episode 8, Deputy Brian mentions that a Bridget Sands is the hospital administrator. That can't be a coincidence!
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Post by Trace on May 4, 2019 0:59:09 GMT
Yes Bridget is her mother, or that’s what I inferred from my listen. I loved this episode...so very intricate! The detail is impeccable. The spreadsheets paid off, Rob.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 4:46:57 GMT
This is...a crazy amount to try to digest, at least for me who has only just started watching the TV series. I feel like I'm just hanging on by the tips of my fingers. Okay so if I've got my timeframes right, we're dealing with: 1767 - Tom 1797 - Lela 1820 - Jackie 1870 (approx.) - David 1925 - Vivian 1984 - present timeframe
David is with Quentin's parents, if I understood right - Jeffrey (who appears not to exist on the DS Wiki but whose brother Caleb has an article), his wife Anna, their son Carl (who has apparently appeared on the show as his article has a photo).
Other stuff: - Mystery girl finally has a surname: Bonnie Sands. If this is a reference to something, it was totally lost on me. - Nice of them to reference Kate Ripperton. I miss her. - Another woman trying to kiss David. Good lord, that boy is catnip for the ladies! - It is confusing as hell for someone 'off the street' that Anna talks about a Quentin....who is not the same Quentin that appears the rest of the time - Marina turning up at Jackie's cell was a bit of a surprise, wasn't it?! - someone cast a spell on Tom's tape recorder? Interesting....is Tom going to cross paths with "Cassandra Peterson" again?
Questions: - How did we land on the assumption that the 'ghost' saying "Marina Lane" actually is Marina Lane, and that they're not two separate people? About 2/3 of the way through the episode the ghostly voice starts saying so ("so long ago"), but everybody had been assuming so prior to that.
- So who is Marina Lane? Is she also temporally displaced, like everybody else, only she's moved forward?
- Who was the male voice that yelled "get out!" that nobody heard? (And then later on was moaning "Marina Lane")
- What happened to Willie? Was he also zapped off through time, or has he just been largely absent for Bloodline?
Love your musings Totally enjoying this series so different from Bloodlust in almost every way and a new episode on Monday and a bank Holiday Monday at that 🤪
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Post by Joseph Lidster on May 6, 2019 9:30:29 GMT
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Post by lurkerintheshadows on May 6, 2019 10:33:01 GMT
My name is the Lurker in the Shadows... if you find this message you will know that I've somehow ended up in the year 2019... I don't yet know what leads me here, but there are voices, some new, some familiar, all of them welcome visitors, that twice a week break through from somewhere else and guide me through this strange and frightening world. There are forces at work here... clever, fiendishly clever forces, that have spun some sort of magical spell that has caught me in its web. Beyond that, I cannot say, for some part of this strange magic renders me incapable of saying anything beyond, 'Wow!'
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