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Post by bobod on Aug 6, 2018 1:52:16 GMT
If you're trying to fit the book into the TV continuity. No, I meant I've lost track of what you were saying. Where does this Chris thing happen?
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Post by omega on Aug 6, 2018 9:23:35 GMT
If you're trying to fit the book into the TV continuity. No, I meant I've lost track of what you were saying. Where does this Chris thing happen? The book takes place shortly after Vicki returns from 1795, which is the mid-400's. Chris is introduced in the early/mid 500's from memory, about the time Amy shows up. Due to his lycanthropy Chris tries to stay away from populated areas and is around because he's the only family Amy has left and is trying to do right by her. At the time Vicki time travels back Tom would be looking after Amy. Trying to fit a novel's worth of events with the whole cast into a gap where none of them ever mention them again is daunting and I can see where something like this can fall through. The references do come, like Roger looking at a Tate painting or a restaurant called the Pennock Supper Club.
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Post by bobod on Aug 6, 2018 9:57:16 GMT
This is Dreams of the Dark, yeah? I've lost the thread.
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Post by omega on Aug 6, 2018 10:04:13 GMT
This is Dreams of the Dark, yeah? I've lost the thread. That’s right.
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Post by Trace on Aug 7, 2018 2:05:23 GMT
For what it’s worth, I’ve never felt ANY of the novels could or should be reconciled with the original series timeline. They just don’t work all that well with it, and I don’t believe they were ever really meant to. Big Finish did a fantastic job of adapting the parts of Angelique’s Descent that DO work, and released that abridged version as part of the TV and audio continuity, and it works. The rest of the book, not so much. Lara Parker’s novels follow their own continuity, as do S. Mark Rainey’s, so they work well as parallel timelines. Lara has said she felt free to go in her own direction, and did a wonderful, fanciful job of that. Then there’s Hawkes Harbor, which is “bizarro alternate reality”. I love all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 20:43:29 GMT
when I was listening to Ghost Watcher I heard a reference to Alec Newman slaying vampires ....will relisten tonight to see if it was pre Angelique curse 😝
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Post by silverednickle on Aug 7, 2018 20:48:17 GMT
Technically, Barnabas could be the first vampire, but like it has been said before, we only have a few snippets pre 1795 (in our timeband and parallel time). While I like the storytelling aspect of it, I feel it's like saying the first ghost we see in the oldest timeband COULD be the first ever in the Dark Shadows universe. Plenty of characters seem to understand both when they first see them (even if the word vampire is used sparingly initially to get around the afternoon regulations at the time). If a talented writer wants to explore that idea, I'm game, but in the meantime, I'm assuming there were others.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:09:43 GMT
Technically, Barnabas could be the first vampire, but like it has been said before, we only have a few snippets pre 1795 (in our timeband and parallel time). While I like the storytelling aspect of it, I feel it's like saying the first ghost we see in the oldest timeband COULD be the first ever in the Dark Shadows universe. Plenty of characters seem to understand both when they first see them (even if the word vampire is used sparingly initially to get around the afternoon regulations at the time). If a talented writer wants to explore that idea, I'm game, but in the meantime, I'm assuming there were others. Lol am assuming there aren’t
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:10:56 GMT
Technically, Barnabas could be the first vampire, but like it has been said before, we only have a few snippets pre 1795 (in our timeband and parallel time). While I like the storytelling aspect of it, I feel it's like saying the first ghost we see in the oldest timeband COULD be the first ever in the Dark Shadows universe. Plenty of characters seem to understand both when they first see them (even if the word vampire is used sparingly initially to get around the afternoon regulations at the time). If a talented writer wants to explore that idea, I'm game, but in the meantime, I'm assuming there were others. It is kind of interesting to play about with things in your imagination
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Post by barnabaslives on Aug 8, 2018 0:13:03 GMT
I can't quite seem to remember if Julia researched any priors on Barnabas' condition by consulting old books as I think happened in the case of Chris? I also can't quite seem to remember the exact details of Angelique being in possession of the curse (of all things to forget!) - if she'd gotten it out of a dusty old spellbook then I'd certainly be tempted to think there might have been others before Barnabas?
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Post by omega on Aug 8, 2018 0:34:21 GMT
I can't quite seem to remember if Julia researched any priors on Barnabas' condition by consulting old books as I think happened in the case of Chris? I also can't quite seem to remember the exact details of Angelique being in possession of the curse (of all things to forget!) - if she'd gotten it out of a dusty old spellbook then I'd certainly be tempted to think there might have been others before Barnabas? The audio reading of Angelique's Descent retains her studying magic in Haiti. It's possible she read about the curse there and remembered it, not thinking clearly when casting it or not understanding the consequences until after it was cast (like Harry Potter with sectumsempra). She remembers various spells with precise ingredients without consulting a grimoire (one spell requires an unbroken cobweb), so a good memory isn't out of the question. The audio reading shows Angelique being a better student than Josette, if only because she applied herself more than Josette did. Haiti has strong links to zombies, or zombi, so magic concerning the undead is something Angelique could have encountered in Port au Prince. In the show she dabbles with necromancy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 5:46:25 GMT
I can't quite seem to remember if Julia researched any priors on Barnabas' condition by consulting old books as I think happened in the case of Chris? I also can't quite seem to remember the exact details of Angelique being in possession of the curse (of all things to forget!) - if she'd gotten it out of a dusty old spellbook then I'd certainly be tempted to think there might have been others before Barnabas? The audio reading of Angelique's Descent retains her studying magic in Haiti. It's possible she read about the curse there and remembered it, not thinking clearly when casting it or not understanding the consequences until after it was cast (like Harry Potter with sectumsempra). She remembers various spells with precise ingredients without consulting a grimoire (one spell requires an unbroken cobweb), so a good memory isn't out of the question. The audio reading shows Angelique being a better student than Josette, if only because she applied herself more than Josette did. Haiti has strong links to zombies, or zombi, so magic concerning the undead is something Angelique could have encountered in Port au Prince. In the show she dabbles with necromancy. Well its a definite lesson in reading the small print before casting curses.will people never learn lol😏
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Post by omega on Aug 8, 2018 5:57:18 GMT
The audio reading of Angelique's Descent retains her studying magic in Haiti. It's possible she read about the curse there and remembered it, not thinking clearly when casting it or not understanding the consequences until after it was cast (like Harry Potter with sectumsempra). She remembers various spells with precise ingredients without consulting a grimoire (one spell requires an unbroken cobweb), so a good memory isn't out of the question. The audio reading shows Angelique being a better student than Josette, if only because she applied herself more than Josette did. Haiti has strong links to zombies, or zombi, so magic concerning the undead is something Angelique could have encountered in Port au Prince. In the show she dabbles with necromancy. Well its a definite lesson in reading the small print before casting curses.will people never learn lol😏 Lots of her spells tend to be context specific incantations that have potential for misinterpretation rather than pre-existing incantations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 6:11:37 GMT
Well its a definite lesson in reading the small print before casting curses.will people never learn lol😏 Lots of her spells tend to be context specific incantations that have potential for misinterpretation rather than pre-existing incantations. Ghost Watcher am listening out for the piece of dialogue i had heard that said he had been fighting evil for 100 years,Ghost watcher is set in 1972 which means 1872 which could still mean Barnabas was the first vampire. he says. I have seen oh so many things i have conquered ghosts demons vampires.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 6:29:16 GMT
And am not looking for a vampire society lol in Dark Shadows, as a genre they kind of have been done to death(IMO)...
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Post by omega on Aug 8, 2018 8:53:54 GMT
Lots of her spells tend to be context specific incantations that have potential for misinterpretation rather than pre-existing incantations. Ghost Watcher am listening out for the piece of dialogue i had heard that said he had been fighting evil for 100 years,Ghost watcher is set in 1972 which means 1872 which could still mean Barnabas was the first vampire. he says. I have seen oh so many things i have conquered ghosts demons vampires. There's no solid evidence either way because of both the time period thing and because 99.9% of Dark Shadows material focuses on Collinsport and Barnabas. That's one of the appeals of the Quentin stories beyond David Selby's voice, seeing the supernatural community beyond Collinsport. The Tony and Cassandra stories explore this too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 8:58:00 GMT
Ghost Watcher am listening out for the piece of dialogue i had heard that said he had been fighting evil for 100 years,Ghost watcher is set in 1972 which means 1872 which could still mean Barnabas was the first vampire. he says. I have seen oh so many things i have conquered ghosts demons vampires. There's no solid evidence either way because of both the time period thing and because 99.9% of Dark Shadows material focuses on Collinsport and Barnabas. That's one of the appeals of the Quentin stories beyond David Selby's voice, seeing the supernatural community beyond Collinsport. The Tony and Cassandra stories explore this too. Yes it is a very open world as now I Have Amanda Harris/Olivia Corey added to the growing list I have also enjoyed the anthology’s stories i have heard the trips in Paris etc. I do have one slightly minor gripe(Dorian) yes he fits into the world of DS but am not a real fan of crossovers.Dorian worked well in its self contained world.When DORIAN appeared it broke the DS spell for a moment.By the way I Loved the Dorian series,so its nothing against the character. Its like when i read fandom and they talk about “oh I couldn’t identify with the character as there were no (slot here whatever)”I do not need to identify with a character i just want to get absorbed in the story being told.somethings get inserted into stories that would have been better left out.
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Post by omega on Aug 8, 2018 9:05:01 GMT
There's no solid evidence either way because of both the time period thing and because 99.9% of Dark Shadows material focuses on Collinsport and Barnabas. That's one of the appeals of the Quentin stories beyond David Selby's voice, seeing the supernatural community beyond Collinsport. The Tony and Cassandra stories explore this too. Yes it is a very open world as now I Have Amanda Harris/Olivia Corey added to the growing list I have also enjoyed the anthology’s stories i have heard the trips in Paris etc. I do have one slightly minor gripe(Dorian) yes he fits into the world of DS but am not a real fan of crossovers.Dorian worked well in its self contained world.When DORIAN appeared it broke the DS spell for a moment.By the way I Loved the Dorian series,so its nothing against the character. I see that as a different Dorian than the Dorian from Confessions. Given that Quentin's character draws a lot from The Picture of Dorian Gray, it's kinda meta.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 9:06:59 GMT
Yes it is a very open world as now I Have Amanda Harris/Olivia Corey added to the growing list I have also enjoyed the anthology’s stories i have heard the trips in Paris etc. I do have one slightly minor gripe(Dorian) yes he fits into the world of DS but am not a real fan of crossovers.Dorian worked well in its self contained world.When DORIAN appeared it broke the DS spell for a moment.By the way I Loved the Dorian series,so its nothing against the character. I see that as a different Dorian than the Dorian from Confessions. Given that Quentin's character draws a lot from The Picture of Dorian Gray, it's kinda meta. Just spoils it slightly for me but i can live with it...if they had cast a different actor then i would have been more accommodating to its inclusion
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Post by omega on Aug 8, 2018 9:08:58 GMT
I see that as a different Dorian than the Dorian from Confessions. Given that Quentin's character draws a lot from The Picture of Dorian Gray, it's kinda meta. Just spoils it slightly for me but i can live with it...if they had cast a different actor then i would have been more accommodating to its inclusion I guess the producers figured it'd be a good marketing hook for fans of the Confessions range.
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