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Post by omega on Aug 7, 2018 9:45:41 GMT
DOCTOR WHO - MAIN RANGE » 164. GODS AND MONSTERS Released September 2012TrailerSynopsisThe TARDIS travellers arrive in a bizarre landscape seemingly immune to the physical laws governing the rest of the universe. Ace, Hex, Sally and Lysandra battle to rescue the Doctor from the trap he's walked into… soon realising that the odds are stacked against them. Because the Doctor is playing an old adversary again: Fenric, shatterer of worlds. But the gods and monsters who inhabit this strange realm loaded the dice against them long ago, in the dim and distant past – and defeat's their only option. Written By: Mike Maddox and Alan Barnes Directed By: Ken Bentley CASTSylvester McCoy (The Doctor), Sophie Aldred (Ace), Philip Olivier (Hex), Maggie O'Neill (Captain Lysandra Aristedes), Amy Pemberton (Private Sally Morgan), John Standing (Fenric), Blake Ritson (Hurmzid), Gus Brown (Weyland), Tim Treloar (The Ancient One)
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 7, 2018 9:52:48 GMT
This was a great story and IMHO should have been the end of the Hex arc. How do BF top something this epic? The answer is they don't and shouldn't have tried, but they went on to do Afterlife plus the 2014 Hector trilogy. These 4 stories were not bad stories in and of themselves, but they felt just a teeny bit lacklustre and anti-climactic after Gods & Monsters.
Mike Maddox is another one to add to the "Writers BF should get back" list
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Post by omega on Aug 7, 2018 9:58:41 GMT
Week 9 of the Hex listen through. Find out what happens next in Afterlife. notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/4463/oh-god-hex-listenIt's a story that's trying to be many things, and not entirely coming off as the sum of its parts. One on hand it's trying to be an epic finale, the final round of a game of the gods with a prize Fenric is keen to get his hands on. A very alien world with shifting geography. The writers have the inenviable task of tying together years worth of stories to retroactively build up to this final game, even if some of the threads are a bit of a reach (the chessboard in The Magic Mousetrap, the death of Sally's parents). What doesn't work as well is Hex and his beef with the Doctor about the Doctor's manipulative ways. It's very been there, done that and doesn't cover new ground. There's a scene between them that's missing, which would have been perfect for Hex to chew out the Doctor. |
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Post by mark687 on Aug 7, 2018 10:58:50 GMT
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Oh Dear this is Alan Barnes saying "I can improve on Fenric and everyone will love it."
So we completely side-line the Doctor, introduce this smug know it all Wayland who still almost underestimate Frenic, even though Fenric's approach is obvious.
Then we have Sally and Hex a situation solely designed to keep the emotion going without involving Ace because proper companions couldn't fall in love then?
Lysandra just seems to be there for level-headed support for Ace.
The ending is fairly well done and a novel set-up for Afterlife.
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Post by omega on Aug 7, 2018 11:02:42 GMT
Spoiler Heavey Post Warning Oh Dear this is Alan Barnes saying "I can improve on Fenric and everyone will love it." So we completely side-line the Doctor, introduce this smug know it all Wayland who still almost underestimate Frenic, even though Fenric's approach is obvious. Then we have Sally and Hex a situation solely designed to keep the emotion going without involving Ace because proper companions couldn't fall in love then? Lysandra just seems to be there for level-headed support for Ace. The ending is fairly well done and a novel set-up for Afterlife. Regards mark687 The thread title does say spoilers, so anyone surprised to see spoilers needs a dictionary. That leads into an interesting point on how long big plot twist spoilers can be classed as spoilers for, especially when later releases make it easier to spot or straight up treat it as though it's not a twist anymore. In a podcast competition in July or August 2013 the question was about the Master in UNIT Dominion, and Nick wondered if it was still a spoiler. The marketing for Afterlife makes no secret of Hex's death, and the synopsis starts with "Hex is dead. And a distraught Ace holds the Doctor responsible." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 7:35:23 GMT
I totally enjoyed this story and thought it was well dramatised and a satisfactory conclusion to a long arc.The music score was also beautiful.I did not mind the return of Fenric and i thought for Hex if you are going to bow out bow out in style....or don’t as the case may be.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 11, 2018 7:53:48 GMT
I enjoyed this one, intriguing mind games going on, The Doctor at his manipulative best, Hex's death & then that post credit teaser "deal me in"....4/5.
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Post by elkawho on Aug 11, 2018 13:29:15 GMT
This is a story that I enjoyed more on second listen than on the first. It took that second time for me to get a better understanding of the games that they were all playing. And poor Hex as the pawn in those games.
If they were going to keep Hex's story going I wish they had taken on from that teaser at the end rather than what they ended up doing. I hated the way they brought him back, after the way he sacrificed himself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 13:34:30 GMT
This is a story that I enjoyed more on second listen than on the first. It took that second time for me to get a better understanding of the games that they were all playing. And poor Hex as the pawn in those games. If they were going to keep Hex's story going I wish they had taken on from that teaser at the end rather than what they ended up doing. I hated the way they brought him back, after the way he sacrificed himself. Yes got to agree it wasn’t well thought out. I get tired of characters dying and then being brought back because they are popular. they could have just done more adventures pre Gods with Hex and left his heroic finale intact |
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Post by Tim Bradley on Aug 15, 2018 6:49:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 16:43:46 GMT
I still love this and did love the original Fenric story on television all those many many years ago 😂
It was a brave attempt at a sequel and I do enjoy it but they missed an opportunity by not Calling it Gods and Scousers.
I wonder what the powers that be at big finish think now of the resurrection of our favourite nurse because I thought he had a damn fine finale in epic style...I think it must be really hard when you have worked with an actor and actress to let go but sometimes you have to end the character when required.It is done now but I prefer the fact that even if a character does die there isn’t a reason to not bring back in stand alone adventures set during their reign without altering their arc.Clara for instance should have just died and been allowed to (IMO)...I mean I had to get used to the whole of Blake’s crew getting slaughtered-you get over it 😂
well not bringing Lucie back was perhaps lesson learned.
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 3, 2021 21:59:21 GMT
Yeah, it's gotta be hard. Like with Bliss, I've been pretty outspoken w/ my opinion that the character ought to die, or end poorly, but at the same time I think Rakhee Thrakar delivers very strong performances and I'd hate to lose her as a "regular."
But at the same time, you know, those "new companion introduction" stories are typically really good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 17:01:28 GMT
Yeah, it's gotta be hard. Like with Bliss, I've been pretty outspoken w/ my opinion that the character ought to die, or end poorly, but at the same time I think Rakhee Thrakar delivers very strong performances and I'd hate to lose her as a "regular." But at the same time, you know, those "new companion introduction" stories are typically really good. If you are involved in something like the Time War I would just ask the Doctor to take me some planet centuries before and let me live out my life peacefully 😂 |
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Post by grinch on Jan 4, 2021 17:04:10 GMT
Yeah, it's gotta be hard. Like with Bliss, I've been pretty outspoken w/ my opinion that the character ought to die, or end poorly, but at the same time I think Rakhee Thrakar delivers very strong performances and I'd hate to lose her as a "regular." But at the same time, you know, those "new companion introduction" stories are typically really good. If you are involved in something like the Time War I would just ask the Doctor to take me some planet centuries before and let me live out my life peacefully 😂 Yeah, that’s one thing I’ve never understood with the Eighth Doctor Time War series. Why he would even involve (although I’ll grant you not by choice) a companion in the Time War let alone a human one. Personally, if I were him, I’d have dropped them off at home toot suite! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 17:53:08 GMT
If you are involved in something like the Time War I would just ask the Doctor to take me some planet centuries before and let me live out my life peacefully 😂 Yeah, that’s one thing I’ve never understood with the Eighth Doctor Time War series. Why he would even involve (although I’ll grant you not by choice) a companion in the Time War let alone a human one. Personally, if I were him, I’d have dropped them off at home toot suite! Well presumably No where In His mind was safe lol and he was probably right 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 17:55:32 GMT
I remember the advertisements for this with the Haemavores replaced by a giant satellite dish to try to disguise Fenrics return
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 7, 2021 5:57:21 GMT
If you are involved in something like the Time War I would just ask the Doctor to take me some planet centuries before and let me live out my life peacefully 😂 Yeah, that’s one thing I’ve never understood with the Eighth Doctor Time War series. Why he would even involve (although I’ll grant you not by choice) a companion in the Time War let alone a human one. Personally, if I were him, I’d have dropped them off at home toot suite! I mean, that's exactly what the Doctor does, or tries to. I won't post spoilers here, but she's an "orphan of the time war" in the sense that she doesn't have a home to get back to, and is staying with the Doctor in the hopes that this will eventually cease to be the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 7:45:27 GMT
Yeah, that’s one thing I’ve never understood with the Eighth Doctor Time War series. Why he would even involve (although I’ll grant you not by choice) a companion in the Time War let alone a human one. Personally, if I were him, I’d have dropped them off at home toot suite! I mean, that's exactly what the Doctor does, or tries to. I won't post spoilers here, but she's an "orphan of the time war" in the sense that she doesn't have a home to get back to, and is staying with the Doctor in the hopes that this will eventually cease to be the case. Safe with the Doctor??😂😉 |
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 10, 2021 6:29:05 GMT
Well, that's the Time War for ya': the safest place is the heart of the storm.
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