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Post by thegreatone on Nov 16, 2018 16:10:11 GMT
Thank you that’s very helpful I have just finished the first one and agree they have equal story time on that one.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 18, 2018 15:54:04 GMT
The Jabari Countdown is brilliant. The best of the set so far, and I think it’s one of the best stories Big Finish have put out this year. Great atmosphere, soundtrack, storytelling, characters and world building. By the end of it, I was gobsmacked that they crammed everything into an hour and it doesn’t feel like anything suffers because of it.
It’s a fantastic story for Chris in particular, his character is perfectly written in this.
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 19, 2018 5:50:04 GMT
A great set of stories, this one. Would gladly purchase a Volume 2 Have to say though, even though it was nice to get a bit of a shake-up to the Interviews/Behind the Scenes stuff, this has to probably be the most boring disc I've ever listened to. Was it just me? They just didn't seem to be talking about anything interesting at all. And the "What do you think happens next for your character?" question should have earned some interesting responses, yet I was just as disinterested in that discussion as the rest of what was going on. (Am I rambling about unimportant nonsense? I'm probably rambling about unimportant nonsense )
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 19, 2018 16:00:29 GMT
The Dread of Night is another brilliant story. A creepy and gripping gothic house story, with a couple of moments that made me jump! Sylvester McCoy is at his best as the Doctor here; mysterious and working things out in the background.
Overall, a terrific set. One of the highlights to come from Big Finish so far this year, I’d say. The Trial of a Time Machine and The Jabari Countdown being my favourites.
I do hope more sets are forthcoming. I’d experiment with the format a bit more, two and three part stories. Even a four part epic if there’s the story for it. I think this set has shown that complex and layered NA inspired stories can be told in an hour format, but I’d love to see them extended too.
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 19, 2018 17:36:52 GMT
I'm enjoying this set so far, though I'm only midway through episode 2 at the moment.
What's interesting to me is how I prefer the pacing - I was a bit wary of this set because I didn't enjoy the novel-adaptations very much, finding their narratives to wind and wander a bit, and to have crammed too much material and too many characters into too small a space. So I was hopeful but wary about Roz and Cwej's second BF outing.
But I find I'm instantly drawn into these stories just from how they're paced, as they fit their plots into the hour-long format of story-telling. As a North American millennial it's how i'm used to absorbing media. And of course I started Doctor Who with David Tennant, and started Big Finish with the Eighth Doctor's adventures with Lucie Miller and River Song's first series. So instinctively I guess i'm most comfortable with the hour-long format used in this set.
It helps me understand a bit better how and why Classic Who fans sometimes just don't warm to NuWho; the format is simply not what they're inclined to find normal on a fundamental level. It would be interesting to see if the NuWho TV show did at least one series as half-hour serialized stories, how would the general audience respond?
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 19, 2018 18:40:58 GMT
Doctor Who has done plenty of stories that fit the old four part format since it returned in 2005. Except they’re 2x45 minutes opposed to 4x25.
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 19, 2018 18:41:34 GMT
It helps me understand a bit better how and why Classic Who fans sometimes just don't warm to NuWho; the format is simply not what they're inclined to find normal on a fundamental level. Interesting idea, but possibly it’s more down to individual attitudes. The viewers of Doctor Who from olden days may also have watched Blake’s 7, Star Trek The Next Generation, Quantum Leap, etc which are comparable to the ‘modern’ format. As the format evolved, so may the viewers expectations too. Conversely, what would be considered a relatable show format for those NuWho viewers brave enough to dabble in the old Doctor Who seasons? For sure - I should have clarified that the differences in format and pacing would only be one factor among many, and then only for some people and not for others For me, as a NuWho fan who has been working my way through Classic Who, I can definitely say I find the change in format a factor in my enjoyment. Not too much that it ruins anything for me, but I enjoy one style more than the other, definitely. I sometimes find the same for Big Finish main-range releases, though not always as the writing is usually tighter and of course unaffected by special-effects budgets and has less padding.
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 19, 2018 18:45:09 GMT
Doctor Who has done plenty of stories that fit the old four part format since it returned in 2005. Except they’re 2x45 minutes opposed to 4x25. No, I don't think it's the same - the pacing, the balance, the "beats" of a 25 minute story are very much different than a 45 minute story, even if the total run-time becomes equal. The climax comes at different points, the cliffhangers are built up differently, the pace of exposition, there are many differences A two-hour movie is plotted much differently than two 50-minute episodes, and also four 25-minute episodes; they're very different animals
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 19, 2018 19:13:34 GMT
Doctor Who has done plenty of stories that fit the old four part format since it returned in 2005. Except they’re 2x45 minutes opposed to 4x25. No, I don't think it's the same - the pacing, the balance, the "beats" of a 25 minute story are very much different than a 45 minute story, even if the total run-time becomes equal. The climax comes at different points, the cliffhangers are built up differently, the pace of exposition, there are many differences A two-hour movie is plotted much differently than two 50-minute episodes, and also four 25-minute episodes; they're very different animals Of course - I was just taking it at face value with regards to running time. It’s certainly interesting, but I don’t think it’s quite a case of them being different beasts. There’s classic stories that are faster paced than what would be ordinary for the show at the time. Equally, there’s newer stories that are slower paced than what is ordinary for the revived show as a whole. But it’s subjective for each individual story, and what pacing is appropriate for it, I think.
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 21, 2018 0:02:43 GMT
Finished today - I liked the set, didn't love it. I'll probably pass on a sequel... though I've said that before and then caved. Damn you BF!
The only story I really found inventive was the first one. I enjoyed the next 2 conceptually, but mostly found them passable... and by the fourth I was zoning out a lot.
Though I'll admit, with all the great sales BF have had of late, it may be a case of radio-fatigue on my part! Been listening to a minimum of one hour a day for the last three weeks! Maybe if I take a break and came back, I'll find this set more enjoyable...?
...But BF have many more sales to come...
Damn you BF!
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 21, 2018 5:31:11 GMT
Wow. I really loved this set, especially The Jabari Countdown. A wonderful set of stories. I'll take ten more when you're ready, Big Finish.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 21, 2018 5:32:21 GMT
But just imagine the awesomeness of Peter Grant in audio format. I wonder who they could use as his actor... same for Nightingale... hmm... In my head, they're Alfie Enoch and Miles Richardson. (This is the Rivers of London thread, right? Not a spoiler thread for a boxset I haven't listened to yet??) ... That's perfect casting. Big Finish, get on this now.
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 21, 2018 9:29:58 GMT
The Dread of Night is another brilliant story. A creepy and gripping gothic house story, with a couple of moments that made me jump! Sylvester McCoy is at his best as the Doctor here; mysterious and working things out in the background. Overall, a terrific set. One of the highlights to come from Big Finish so far this year, I’d say. The Trial of a Time Machine and The Jabari Countdown being my favourites. I do hope more sets are forthcoming. I’d experiment with the format a bit more, two and three part stories. Even a four part epic if there’s the story for it. I think this set has shown that complex and layered NA inspired stories can be told in an hour format, but I’d love to see them extended too. Loving your mini summaries of these stories, you can take over my reviews anytime you like my friend
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 21, 2018 9:58:42 GMT
The Dread of Night is another brilliant story. A creepy and gripping gothic house story, with a couple of moments that made me jump! Sylvester McCoy is at his best as the Doctor here; mysterious and working things out in the background. Overall, a terrific set. One of the highlights to come from Big Finish so far this year, I’d say. The Trial of a Time Machine and The Jabari Countdown being my favourites. I do hope more sets are forthcoming. I’d experiment with the format a bit more, two and three part stories. Even a four part epic if there’s the story for it. I think this set has shown that complex and layered NA inspired stories can be told in an hour format, but I’d love to see them extended too. Loving your mini summaries of these stories, you can take over my reviews anytime you like my friend Thanks for the kind words. I enjoy writing them up, whether they’re positive (which they mostly are!) or negative. I find having a think about the release whilst posting my thoughts really cements my opinion of the story. I think it’s eapecially important with something like audio, where there’s nothing visual to attach your attention to, so you perhaps have to try harder to recall the intricacies of an audio story. And you never know, it might help somebody with a purchase!
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 21, 2018 16:24:49 GMT
Oh yeah! The theme tune! No one's really discussed that yet, have they? Am I right that it was sort-of the War Doctor's theme, but reworked to be a bit spring-y-er?
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 21, 2018 17:47:59 GMT
Oh yeah! The theme tune! No one's really discussed that yet, have they? Am I right that it was sort-of the War Doctor's theme, but reworked to be a bit spring-y-er? Sort of This theme was actually written first for use in the Damaged Goods adaptation (where it plays in full during every use, like at the end of The Dread of Night, which is why the shortened version heard at the start of every episode in this set sounds slightly cut/jumpy in certain places, as this theme was never designed to be used in this manner). I assumed it was used for one or two of the other Novel Adaptations, but I'm yet to get up to those ( Original Sin probably has it though). Howard Carter recently described (on the podcast) creating the War Doctor version as making this version sound more "military", adding the extra drums, etc. to give it more of an "oomph", as it were I reckon the reason why people haven't discussed it much here is because they probably a made a big deal about it at the time Damaged Goods came out. You're right though, this theme is absolutely phenomenal. I believe Howard described his inspiration for it as "Danny Elfman does Doctor Who". It's probably my favourite version of the theme tune ever
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 18:33:02 GMT
Those were the most interesting behind the scenes bits I have heard great stuff
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 25, 2018 4:07:10 GMT
I finished up Vanguard this evening. While it didn't reinvent the wheel I thought it was a good story really well told. One of the best sign for me is when I get caught up with the dilemma the cast finds themselves in. Even though I know 7 and his companions make it though this in one piece, I worried about the fate of all three of them. That is good storytelling. And I agree with what was written above, the one hour format works for this.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 25, 2018 14:38:57 GMT
The Jabari Countdown. That was outstanding! More Who stories from Alan Flanagan please. Three stories in and this is easily one of the strongest Big Finish releases of the year.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 25, 2018 19:03:49 GMT
Dread of Night is a great ending for the box set. Almost like Doctor Who meets Dark Shadows. Top notch audio horror/science fiction.
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