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Post by Digi on Aug 17, 2018 23:52:25 GMT
What with the Spies and Thrillers sale on this weekend, I've decided to give this run a go...only to see that the Big Finish episodes are not in the same order as the TV episodes that they're recreating? And sometimes even within a single set, the stories are not in the same order that the TV series ran. Why is that?
I've never actually seen the TV series (just the awful, awful Uma Thurman/Sean Connery movie). Is the order thing just that each episode standalone, so it doesn't matter?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 0:07:10 GMT
I think they've been packaged together in the production rather than broadcast order. Hot Snow is the pilot and Brought to Book could be considered Part 2 or later a sequel, but everything after that is a standalone release. The television series is a lot like Doctor Who in a way. At the end of each era, it reinvents itself and carries on a new tone with a new co-star. So if you want variety, the Steed and Keel releases are great dramatic thrillers and the Steed and Peel releases are great spy fantasies.
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Post by dorney on Aug 18, 2018 8:43:30 GMT
Well, it varies. Firstly, we did the existing scripts first. Then in a few cases tweaked the order to give the boxset a better feel or shape (a good example is the final set - the final missing story is Dragonsfield, but it would have been a pity to finish on a story that only featured Steed so we put Deadly Air last instead as it had the whole team).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 11:56:39 GMT
Well, it varies. Firstly, we did the existing scripts first. Then in a few cases tweaked the order to give the boxset a better feel or shape (a good example is the final set - the final missing story is Dragonsfield, but it would have been a pity to finish on a story that only featured Steed so we put Deadly Air last instead as it had the whole team). Neat! I'm very curious about the episodes that lacked the full scripts. It's a bit of a strange question, but what was the process -- writing-wise, I mean -- in pulling those missing stories together? Were there synopses, partial copies or did you guys have to work on some episodes with just a tagline?
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Post by dorney on Aug 18, 2018 21:16:58 GMT
Well, it varies. Firstly, we did the existing scripts first. Then in a few cases tweaked the order to give the boxset a better feel or shape (a good example is the final set - the final missing story is Dragonsfield, but it would have been a pity to finish on a story that only featured Steed so we put Deadly Air last instead as it had the whole team). Neat! I'm very curious about the episodes that lacked the full scripts. It's a bit of a strange question, but what was the process -- writing-wise, I mean -- in pulling those missing stories together? Were there synopses, partial copies or did you guys have to work on some episodes with just a tagline? Can’t think of any partial copies. They were either there or they weren’t. And it was variable. Clues pulled together from all over the place. Practically nothing for box five - really short synopses and cast lists, all incomplete. Six and seven had slightly more detailed synopses and telesnaps, but there was still a lot of guesswork and extrapolation (listen to Tunnel and compare with the found version to see how different it can be).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 23:06:08 GMT
Neat! I'm very curious about the episodes that lacked the full scripts. It's a bit of a strange question, but what was the process -- writing-wise, I mean -- in pulling those missing stories together? Were there synopses, partial copies or did you guys have to work on some episodes with just a tagline? Can’t think of any partial copies. They were either there or they weren’t. And it was variable. Clues pulled together from all over the place. Practically nothing for box five - really short synopses and cast lists, all incomplete. Six and seven had slightly more detailed synopses and telesnaps, but there was still a lot of guesswork and extrapolation (listen to Tunnel and compare with the found version to see how different it can be). Yeah, I've been meaning to get the DVD release of Tunnel for a couple months now, but unfortunately, it's just beyond my pay grade at the moment (imagine over £10 on shipping before tax). Given what the show would later transform into down the line, it's got to be an interesting era to have written about. From the word go, Dr Keel struck me as much more the Hitchcockian innocent, a Roger Thornhill from North by Northwest or Alicia Huberman from Notorious. What do you think he initially brought to the table that his later successors didn't?
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Post by Digi on Aug 18, 2018 23:22:34 GMT
It’s baffling to me that there weren’t copies of scripts held somewhere, at least for legal reasons - money changed hands, party A paid party B for item X.
Regardless, thanks for the insight, John!
I really liked the first two episodes, so I decided what the heck and ordered the rest of the sets. It’d be daft of me to waste a sale this good.
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Post by Digi on Aug 21, 2018 2:01:06 GMT
I’ve listened to six of these now...took my brain a little while to get into the rhythm of them, but now that I’m there - I am really enjoying these! ‘Audio in black and white’ indeed, they capture the feel so nicely.
Earlier today I did Crescent Moon and just loved it. Tonight I watched the TV version of Girl on the Trapeze, and then did the audio right after and I was floored at how accurate a recreation it was.
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Post by kennysmith on Apr 10, 2020 0:07:46 GMT
I’ve listened to six of these now...took my brain a little while to get into the rhythm of them, but now that I’m there - I am really enjoying these! ‘Audio in black and white’ indeed, they capture the feel so nicely. Earlier today I did Crescent Moon and just loved it. Tonight I watched the TV version of Girl on the Trapeze, and then did the audio right after and I was floored at how accurate a recreation it was. If you look back at Vortex, the process of creating the stories from virtual scratch is explained. Hope that helps.
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