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Post by kinghumble on Sept 24, 2018 6:53:03 GMT
Forgive me if this is an unoriginal theory, if someone else already dreamt this up, but I'm rewatching the 50th anniversary special tonight and the idea popped into my head - could the First Doctor have created the Moment?
We know he ran away from Gallifrey, but we don't know why. I'd think that being the creator a weapon of cosmic destruction might be a motive to escape Time Lord justice!
I don't know why he'd have done so, though. Did he somehow, some time get word that the Time War would eventually happen, or that the Time Lords would one day need to be destroyed? And that he'd need to be the one to do it?
I think that this idea gives thematic resonance to the friendship struck up between the War Doctor and the Moment, and fits how they seem to share the same morality. But that's about as far as I've thought this theory through.
Anyone know of any factoid from other parts of Doctor Who that I'm overlooking that discredits this theory? Genuinely interested in how well this idea holds up!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 7:33:09 GMT
Forgive me if this is an unoriginal theory, if someone else already dreamt this up, but I'm rewatching the 50th anniversary special tonight and the idea popped into my head - could the First Doctor have created the Moment? We know he ran away from Gallifrey, but we don't know why. I'd think that being the creator a weapon of cosmic destruction might be a motive to escape Time Lord justice!
I don't know why he'd have done so, though. Did he somehow, some time get word that the Time War would eventually happen, or that the Time Lords would one day need to be destroyed? And that he'd need to be the one to do it? I think that this idea gives thematic resonance to the friendship struck up between the War Doctor and the Moment, and fits how they seem to share the same morality. But that's about as far as I've thought this theory through. Anyone know of any factoid from other parts of Doctor Who that I'm overlooking that discredits this theory? Genuinely interested in how well this idea holds up!
It's an interesting theory. Lungbarrow gives what is probably the most comprehensive account of his departure from Gallifrey, detailing how he acquired the Hand of Omega for it to be dropped off in 1963 in the first place. Like the Luggage in Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the artefact escaped imprisonment by Rassilon and found the First Doctor as he fled, thinking that he was one of its creators. I'm not going to plumb that particular rabbit hole too deeply, but suffice to say, the Doctor in his early days did have access to what basically amounts to a Gallifreyan superweapon. After their initial jaunt, the Doctor and Susan are theorised to have stayed on modern Gallifrey for a time. Various explanations for their second and permanent departure range from a general disgust with Time Lord society to an attempted coup against the High Council. Now... Let's say, that during their time on Gallifrey that the Hand of Omega decides to wander off to do its own thing. Maybe to try and find out where its other counterpart has got to. Maybe it ends up finding the artefact that will become the Moment and inject a little of the Doctor's personality through a "discussion"? The ancient furnace that built the Time Lords' seat of power plays a critical role in their eventual destruction. It all comes full circle. What d'you think? Reckon it has legs as a theory?  |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 24, 2018 12:08:00 GMT
Its an intriguing Theory to be sure.
But like with The Hand of Omega, i think it could link back to The Other.
Especially if we go with the Whiskey-Wolfe Theory to expand upon things
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:47:33 GMT
Its an intriguing Theory to be sure. But like with The Hand of Omega, i think it could link back to The Other. Especially if we go with the Whiskey-Wolfe Theory to expand upon things *leans into post* What is the Whiskey-Wolfe Theory, I hear you ask? Well, dear reader, it goes something like this...  Was the Doctor born or was he loomed? We think it's both. He was indeed loomed in the House of Lungbarrow just like his other cousins, but with one critical difference -- a unique heritage. In addition to the Other's biodata, the breeding engine in question was also used by the great pioneers Ulysses and Penelope to conceive an illegitimate child -- half-Gallifreyan and half-human -- giving him the home and security that they themselves could never consistently provide. They stayed with him for as long as they could during his early childhood before they were forced to cede him to his family on Gallifrey. Like most children, the early memories faded and he was left with his life on his father's homeworld in the House, supposedly in perpetuity. (We should write up a page for Wordsmiths on it when we get the time.  ) |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 24, 2018 12:57:46 GMT
Its an intriguing Theory to be sure. But like with The Hand of Omega, i think it could link back to The Other. Especially if we go with the Whiskey-Wolfe Theory to expand upon things *leans into post* What is the Whiskey-Wolfe Theory, I hear you ask? Well, dear reader, it goes something like this... Was the Doctor born or was he loomed? We think it's both. He was indeed loomed in the House of Lungbarrow just like his other cousins, but with one critical difference -- a unique heritage. In addition to the Other's biodata, the breeding engine in question was also used by the great pioneers Ulysses and Penelope to conceive an illegitimate child -- half-Gallifreyan and half-human -- giving him the home and security that they themselves could never consistently provide. They stayed with him for as long as they could during his early childhood before they were forced to cede him to his family on Gallifrey. Like most children, the early memories faded and he was left with his life on his father's homeworld in the House, supposedly in perpetuity. (We should write up a page for Wordsmiths on it when we get the time. ) We Really should to be honest |
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 24, 2018 23:36:10 GMT
The Other creating the Moment is one of those theories that just fits perfectly.
And I'd love to read a whole page of the Whiskey-Wolfe Theory. The "two departures from Gallifrey" idea is a great continuity patch.
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