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Post by eric009 on Oct 10, 2018 11:58:54 GMT
THE BAD
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Post by mark687 on Oct 10, 2018 12:13:47 GMT
With Passion
I cannot stand Adult Amy Pond
Matt and Young cousin are charming but the take on Adult Amy is just weird they can't decide whether she's still got that childlike wonder or know it all self-importance and the way she treats Rory,,,,
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 10, 2018 13:45:22 GMT
As much as I adore Colin Baker... but the award might have to go to the Twin Dilemma for me...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 14:11:06 GMT
Easily Time And The Rani. No-one comes out looking good.
I'm sorry for all involved because Andrew Cartmel's hands were tied. If he had a bit longer we would have gotten something better. As it is bad pratfalls, awful Pip n Jane dialogue and a nonsense plot. This was, as the DVD calls it, Last Chance Saloon for Doctor Who after the hiatus and ratings slump and sadly for a lot of people they took a look and didn't stay for more.
As for stories I'm not fond of....Christmas Invasion. Tennant being off-screen so long could, yes, be said to make it more exciting when he does appear but for me The Eleventh Hour approach is much more the way to do it. Set the stall out right off. When Tennant appeared I just found him rather smug, sadly.
I posted in the other thread but while Twin is not a great ep...it does introduce Colin's "onion" that was to be gradually peeled. If you follow Six's arc then you really need to see him like this to appreciate where he ends up. I don't think it's as bad an ep as people say anyway. Yes, Mestor's eyes are silly and the twins cannae act for toffee but I like a lot of the rest of it.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 10, 2018 15:24:31 GMT
I'll say this for "The Twin Dilemma" - there were some worthwhile ideas in there, somewhere, beneath all the dross. And "Time and the Rani" might not have been worth doing, but the execution of the poor ideas wasn't actually all that bad. But "Deep Breath"... ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 16:45:11 GMT
Sorry Sixie and Seven, your first TV stories are definitely BAD!
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Post by Hieronymus on Oct 10, 2018 23:12:57 GMT
The Twin Dilemma is BAD, even though it has a lot of good things going for it. Topping the list pf good things are the character of Azmael and the design for the Jacondans.
But there are also many problems. The giant slug costumes are a fail, as is the villain's motivation.
The season that gave us the Myrka also gave us the giant slugs. The Tractor costumes had similar problems, but at least had some, well. . . design. The slug costumes were little more than a rubber tube with a mask. The final confrontation in which Mestor impotently waves his arms and shouts comes off as underwhelming.
And Mestor's plan, which is supposed to be based in science, is utter garbage. First, because you can't move a planet with pure mathematics; it requires inertial changes with colossal energy requirements. And the idea of using a stellar explosion to scatter eggs fails to consider that (a) space is big. Really BIG. (b) the chances of even one egg reaching a habitable world using a scattering effect is nonsense, even if (c) the eggs had any hope of surviving the stellar explosion, and (d) dropping a planet into a star will NOT make it explode.
And even the "flaw" spied in the plan during the episode is bad science, in that the "flaw" ought to be a problem with the science, but isn't. If you're going to make some scientific point the focus of the plot in a science fiction program, you need to get the science right.
I could go on, but other people will doubtlessly hit some other problematic points for this story.
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Post by relativetime on Oct 11, 2018 0:12:53 GMT
When it comes to the new series, I just don't really care for The Christmas Invasion. Too much of Series 2 Rose and too little of the Doctor. I haven't watched the episode in quite some time, so it might just be down to my tastes. It does have its redeeming elements - Harriet Jones and Jackie Tyler being two of them - but overall I don't think it compares to the other modern "new Doctor" stories.
From the classic series... Time and the Rani, probably. It's not anger-inducing bad or anything, but there's certainly a noticeable absence of good. I hear The Twin Dilemma might be worse, but I actually haven't watched it in full yet - rather than watch much of Collin's era, I opted to move right into the audio stories with Evelyn so I could give him a fair shot compared to the other Doctors and I'm glad I did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 5:23:01 GMT
The Twin Dilemma is BAD, even though it has a lot of good things going for it. Topping the list pf good things are the character of Azmael and the design for the Jacondans.
But there are also many problems. The giant slug costumes are a fail, as is the villain's motivation.
The season that gave us the Myrka also gave us the giant slugs. The Tractor costumes had similar problems, but at least had some, well. . . design. The slug costumes were little more than a rubber tube with a mask. The final confrontation in which Mestor impotently waves his arms and shouts comes off as underwhelming.
And Mestor's plan, which is supposed to be based in science, is utter garbage. First, because you can't move a planet with pure mathematics; it requires inertial changes with colossal energy requirements. And the idea of using a stellar explosion to scatter eggs fails to consider that (a) space is big. Really BIG. (b) the chances of even one egg reaching a habitable world using a scattering effect is nonsense, even if (c) the eggs had any hope of surviving the stellar explosion, and (d) dropping a planet into a star will NOT make it explode.
And even the "flaw" spied in the plan during the episode is bad science, in that the "flaw" ought to be a problem with the science, but isn't. If you're going to make some scientific point the focus of the plot in a science fiction program, you need to get the science right.
I could go on, but other people will doubtlessly hit some other problematic points for this story.
The more I look at the Gastropods, the more I wonder why they didn't use the Tractators... All they'd have to do is say that this particular subspecies has developed mental powers due to something on Jaconda. The Twin Dilemma's pretty frustrating. There are a lot of really nice storytelling seeds like the Doctor's instability, his friendship with Azmael, the Jacondan mythology and their interpersonal politicking ( something happened between Azmael, the Chamberlain and Noma, but we never find out). The problem is that only one of them really pays off. If the rest of the story had been like that final episode, I reckon it could've kept its head above water after Androzani. But for me... I have to say Time and the Rani. The Doctor feels a bit too easily duped and I'd have thought the Rani would have come up with something much more effective than dressing up as Mel. It's a shame really because the scheme itself -- harnessing a collection of geniuses to solve an unsolvable problem -- is a rather good one. I'd have liked to meet some of the figures she kidnapped more formally, it would've been cool to have Mel build up a cadre of resistance fighters from the intellectual giants of space and time.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 11, 2018 12:36:25 GMT
The Twin Dilemma.
Saw it on the twitch marathon, don't plan to see it again. The only strength of the story is Colin Baker who is working desperately hard to sell the dire material.
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Post by Ela on Oct 11, 2018 15:30:05 GMT
None of the above. Some are better than others, but I even enjoyed The Twin Dilemma, though I know many hated it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 18:28:21 GMT
With Passion I cannot stand Adult Amy Pond Matt and Young cousin are charming but the take on Adult Amy is just weird they can't decide whether she's still got that childlike wonder or know it all self-importance and the way she treats Rory,,,, Regards mark687 Ahhhhh Amy ahhhh Clara ....Leela,Sarah Jane,Romanas i loved them all......
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Post by mark687 on Oct 12, 2018 18:34:01 GMT
With Passion I cannot stand Adult Amy Pond Matt and Young cousin are charming but the take on Adult Amy is just weird they can't decide whether she's still got that childlike wonder or know it all self-importance and the way she treats Rory,,,, Regards mark687 Ahhhhh Amy ahhhh Clara ....Leela,Sarah Jane,Romanas i loved them all...... Romana 1 yes Not Romana 2 but even she's preferable to Ms Pond.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 18:36:34 GMT
Ahhhhh Amy ahhhh Clara ....Leela,Sarah Jane,Romanas i loved them all...... Romana 1 yes Not Romana 2 but even she's preferable to Ms Pound.
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My goodness NOT 2 ?It was my age.🤪 She could have had her own series really i would have watched i might have jumped ship
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 18:42:24 GMT
Romana 1 yes Not Romana 2 but even she's preferable to Ms Pound.
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My goodness NOT 2 ?It was my age.🤪 She could have had her own series really i would have watched i might have jumped ship Ahhhhh Amy that’ll be a Scottish pound then
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