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Post by stcoop on Oct 21, 2018 0:43:26 GMT
Looking at some other Forums it's shockingly unshocking the correlation between people who hate a female Doctor and who are treating this episode as an assault on the poor, oppressed white man.
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Post by melkur on Oct 21, 2018 17:58:29 GMT
For the first time this series, I'm not watching tonight's episode live [my father's decided he's watching the Grand Prix], soooo enjoy everyone!
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Post by mark687 on Oct 21, 2018 18:46:12 GMT
It will be a much discussed and remembered EP I feel
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Oct 21, 2018 18:47:14 GMT
What’s that Probably the best historical we’ve had for a good while and nearly made me cry .. Yep
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 18:51:18 GMT
It will be a much discussed and remembered EP I feel Regards mark687 Indeed. I enjoyed it. The performances, the 'look' of it, the music (Segun Akinola is excellent - consistently some of the best music Doctor Who's had, I think) were all exceptional. Was it uncomfortable? Yes. Was it a little heavy-handed? Difficult for me to say, but it was deliberately issues-led. And why did Ryan say "Don't do that," when Graham said 'boom' and held out his fist for a connection? I was sure what that moment was meant to signify given the tone of events. I felt that the excellent bad guy was too easily dispatched, but perhaps it was felt that he didn't deserve any spectacular, glamorous death scene? And yet as I say, I enjoyed it. I'll be interested to see the reaction of others.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Oct 21, 2018 18:51:40 GMT
Very good episode.
A little needlessly complicated in setting the premise, but it does well to capture the oppressive nature of the situation, especially in relation to how Yaz and Ryan have to deal with things.
I really liked the scenes with the Doctor and the Criminal standing off.
And it's nice to see a "we need to keep history on track" episode. Feels like it's been a while since we've had one of those.
I wasn't big on the choice of song for the ending. And I'm surprised the Doctor didn't have a bigger reaction to sending that guy back in time, but I guess that's to be dealt with another time.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 21, 2018 19:03:22 GMT
That was excellent. Definitely one of the strongest historicals the series has done.
I thought the pop song worked for the actual scene, but playing it over the titles and next time clips seemed a bit much.
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Post by pegasusoftraken on Oct 21, 2018 19:16:01 GMT
Brilliant! That's the episode I've enjoyed most for quite a while, and think only the third story to make me cry. I'm a big fan of historicals anyway, and was kind of hoping for a pure historical. But think they used the criminal well, and whilst necessary for driving the plot was kept in the background so that the issues of 1950s America and the reactions of the characters was at the fore. There's not a lot I'd change about that episode.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 21, 2018 19:16:55 GMT
Rather well done, overall, (and Bradley Walsh continues to be the best thing in the show) but a shame they presented the protest as though it was a spontaneous decision, whereas I'd been given to understand it was carefully planned by committee.
(Yaz being mistake for Mexican also reminded me of the... inconsistent manner in which Titan's artists colour Gabby Gonzalez)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 19:22:44 GMT
7/10, better than last week’s, worse than the first. Quite clunky and heavy-handed in my eyes as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 19:23:13 GMT
I love the way this series is giving another new 'style' to our 55 year-old show. This story might just have fitted into RTD's era but would have been a little out-of-place, and would not at all have fitted into Steven Moffat's style. The old thing never stops evolving. I love it.
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Post by pegasusoftraken on Oct 21, 2018 19:24:40 GMT
Indeed. I enjoyed it. The performances, the 'look' of it, the music (Segun Akinola is excellent - consistently some of the best music Doctor Who's had, I think) were all exceptional. Was it uncomfortable? Yes. Was it a little heavy-handed? Difficult for me to say, but it was deliberately issues-led. And why did Ryan say "Don't do that," when Graham said 'boom' and held out his fist for a connection? I was sure what that moment was meant to signify given the tone of events. I felt that the excellent bad guy was too easily dispatched, but perhaps it was felt that he didn't deserve any spectacular, glamorous death scene? And yet as I say, I enjoyed it. I'll be interested to see the reaction of others. My assumption was that this was just a continuation of the Graham-Ryan dynamic of Ryan not completely accepting him as a step-grandfather (and maybe Graham being a reminder of losing his nan). In the context of this episode, it draws attention to Graham's complete acceptance of Ryan in contrast to the racism of the era, which is a nice touch I think. Not that the audience needs telling that Graham and the rest of the TARDIS gang abhor the racism, as that's crystal clear going in.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 21, 2018 19:28:36 GMT
Dose not shying away from offensive language count as heavy handed or added truthfulness though?
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Post by channing on Oct 21, 2018 19:32:02 GMT
Another good episode. Very emotional, but it was always going to be. Agree with others, the enemy was dispatched very easily and we didn't really get a reason as to why he was doing it in the first place other than just being hateful (unless I missed it)
One thing I noticed was how shoddy the TARDIS exterior looks, particularly just below the door. Was the prop put together in a rush!
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Post by ollychops on Oct 21, 2018 19:32:13 GMT
Wow.
I really loved that episode. I was initially worried going into it that it wouldn't be handled well, but I couldn't be more wrong. I appreciated that the sci-fi side of things was kept to a minimum, and focused more on Rosa herself, and it also allowed for some decent material for all of the regulars too - even Yaz got a little more than just Generic Companion things, everyone got some good character moments.
The main thing I was concerned about was that they were going to take Rosa's agency away, that they'd have someone else inspire her to take a stand, but I'm glad that they didn't take that route (in fact, the Doctor made a point of not helping her). Something else that I appreciated: they didn't hold back on the racism. Of course there were worse things said in that era, but I did wonder how they'd handle it on a family show, but they didn't pull any punches with the racism.
Again, the music, the cinematography and location work were all excellent, just like last week. I still think the dialogue is missing a bit of spark, but it was leaps and bounds better than last week's.
Overall, it might be one of my favourite episodes from New Who. It's set the bar for this series - it's gone from "well, that was alright" to "that was excellent!". Hopefully the rest of the series stays at this quality.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 21, 2018 19:32:18 GMT
I love the way this series is giving another new 'style' to our 55 year-old show. This story might just have fitted into RTD's era but would have been a little out-of-place, and would not at all have fitted into Steven Moffat's style. The old thing never stops evolving. I love it. That's what finding this series so far as well its general tone could fit at any time prior to Moffatt .
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 21, 2018 19:35:45 GMT
Wow oh wow oh wow.
Intense, uncomfortable and direct. Language not toned down at all, and yet, it's not remotely cartoonish about the citizens of Alabama. They have bad views, but they're still normal people with lives, not just monsters.
And they said Chris would make everything safe and kid-friendly.
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Post by doctorkernow on Oct 21, 2018 19:36:14 GMT
Hello again.
I enjoyed this. The 1955 setting was beautifully realised. As a viewer it made me feel, quite rightly, very uncomfortable. Graham's face as he realised he was going to have to witness this ugly historical event said more than a thousand words.
Ryan and Yaz handled the prejudice they experienced well. They also acknowledged things were better in their modern day lives but work still needed to be done.
Vinette Robinson who played Rosa with quiet dignity and humour was outstanding. Not so convinced by our time-travelling felon. A bit wooden perhaps? It jarred with the otherwise excellent guest cast.
I found the sci-fi element less successful but the way the Doctor marshalled her troops to keep history on track was thrilling. Her determination and steel were more evident this week. Still too much sonic.
Must say I really like the look of this series and the incidental music really enhances the action.
The uncomprising way the racism was portrayed was brave for teatime viewing but absolutely necessary. History is uncomfortable as The Aztecs showed fifty odd years ago.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 21, 2018 19:36:48 GMT
Also, Robinson's performance as Rosa: excellent and the accent held well. She's also not playing up the myth in any way: she's pragmatic, has a temper, makes mistakes and, though she believes in great ideas, has no messiah complex about her.
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 21, 2018 19:38:02 GMT
Poll added
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