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Post by sherlock on Dec 29, 2023 15:50:54 GMT
Someone could always make a discord, wouldn’t be quite the same as here but it’s probably where most of the doctor who “forums” (minus Gallifrey base) happen these days. Evidently nobody and no situation is going to change the opinion of Ella et , and why should it - JHD is their friend. But i don’t think a back and forth for more years to come than has already been the case is really productive for anyone. Things are what they are. Plus, a new space might mean users like Wolfie, if anyone is still in touch with them, might come back. Just my thoughts on it all. I have had contact with Wolfie, as I pitched in for Divergent Wordsmiths’ anniversary saga this year ( A Sparkle of Doctors - a three volume epic!). I don’t feel informed enough on recent developments here to really make a judgement. But I would miss this community. |
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Post by timleschild on Dec 29, 2023 15:51:32 GMT
It is NOT. Public accusations that have no evidence & result in a pile on of a forum user is being treated in the way it should. I understood a group of usernames had been collectively referred to in a way you feel is unfair, and yet you say ' a forum user' as if only one user was affected. Well I am being named & singled out as the progenitor of multiple accounts. What these other people want to do or think about it? That's their concern. Apparently any new user is me? & I create threads just to annoy people? This naming has resulted in a public pile on. |
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Post by mark687 on Dec 29, 2023 15:52:52 GMT
It is NOT. Public accusations that have no evidence & result in a pile on of a forum user is being treated in the way it should. IMHO it is... the posts that were deleted from this very thread were not against the forum's rules and should have been 'within the lines' (so to speak)... bearing in mind how flexible those lines are these days. Deleting posts is heavy handed, as are immediate bans without a warning given first.
There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion and nobody has thrown any insults at you, or the other you. The main issue that upset me - and others - this morning is Davy's ban. I see it as an injustice and - again IMHO - I think the mods were wrong and I have said so. I am insulting nobody, it's just my point of view. Just as you have a point of view when you say something is rubbish. Davy shouldn't have been banned for what he would consider as standing up for the forum. So I see nothing wrong in standing up for him.
I like this place, if you do too, respect it.
Audios Thread has been Deleted so clearly we'er Wrong (again though respectfully Mods I Ask Why? and my issue is not with the alleged Multiple accounts factor ) Regards mark687 |
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Post by coffeeaddict on Dec 29, 2023 15:59:14 GMT
We understand that not everyone will agree with the decisions we Moderators have taken, however the way many are going about expressing their dissatisfaction is violating the rules and to be blunt is bullying in the extreme. Again, all suspicions that members are operating more than one account or that they are a banned member returned under a new name have been investigated and no evidence to substantiate them has been found. As such, there was no justification for any disciplinary action.
Once again, we remind all members that complaints of any sort are to be brought to the Moderator team privately either through the reported post function, or via a private message.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 16:05:08 GMT
The other me? Here we go again. Things which should be raised privately are being made public with snide comments. Quit while you are ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 16:05:14 GMT
We understand that not everyone will agree with the decisions we Moderators have taken, however the way many are going about expressing their dissatisfaction is violating the rules and to be blunt is bullying in the extreme. Again, all suspicions that members are operating more than one account or that they are a banned member returned under a new name have been investigated and no evidence to substantiate them has been found. As such, there was no justification for any disciplinary action. Once again, we remind all members that complaints of any sort are to be brought to the Moderator team privately either through the reported post function, or via a private message. What's the point?
I'll go further. You've already stated once again that concerns about a particularly, shall we say, abrupt poster having multiple accounts in which his, shall we say, distinctive tone is a giveaway as to his identity, are 'nonsense', and that no evidence has been found to support this. Why would posters of a long time's commitment to this forum make up these claims? Why would the only disagreements on this forum all stem from something this poster has said? People report this, and nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. People discuss this openly on the forum and their posts are removed, as I'm sure this one will be. On occasions, bizarrely, accounts are suspended, as mine may be. I don't really care about that, which is why I'm continuing to make this point. Freedom of speech doesn't exist here, and those who call on the individual at the centre of it all -as he has been for years and knows full well what he's doing - are disciplined, talked down to or removed.
So again, what's the point?
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 29, 2023 16:17:06 GMT
I honestly have no idea what is going on (and also do not really care).
But i really have to speak up in favour of timleschild.
Again, without me knowing or even having witnessed any of the full story.
I personally thought timleschild has been very proactive and great to discuss with recently.
I was very happy when he did the new "December Anticipation Thread".
I chide myself for being surprised him doing that (my apologies!), because in the past he had all these negative single word comments, but recently, the few discussions I took part in were very enjoyable.
But then again, I have not been on very frequently and I also stayed away from all the Who TV discussions since I do not have Disney+ and I do not want Disney+ so had no chance yet to watch any new Who.
Otherwise, all this petty discussion in this thread (completely off topic by the way) just feels, to infrequent people like me, like the squabbling of some tiresome toddlers. I find it hard to wade through it to be honest.
So, as I am not "in the know" take my words with a grain of salt.
But these would be my 2 cents to this tiresome discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 16:18:08 GMT
We understand that not everyone will agree with the decisions we Moderators have taken, however the way many are going about expressing their dissatisfaction is violating the rules and to be blunt is bullying in the extreme. Again, all suspicions that members are operating more than one account or that they are a banned member returned under a new name have been investigated and no evidence to substantiate them has been found. As such, there was no justification for any disciplinary action. The decision was harsh and wrong.
Look deeper and you will find the evidence, Mr Multiple Accounts is not as clever as he thinks he is! We all know what he's been doing. Keep watching him and he'll slip up...
Once again, we remind all members that complaints of any sort are to be brought to the Moderator team privately either through the reported post function, or via a private message. I'm sorry, but it has been pointed out to the mods, and the people pointing it out have been banned!
Unjustly banned I might add.
Threads locked and/or deleted, posts deleted, bans, threats of disciplinary action...this place isn't the nice friendly place it used to be I'm afraid. Maybe it's time to look elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 16:39:10 GMT
IMHO it is... the posts that were deleted from this very thread were not against the forum's rules and should have been 'within the lines' (so to speak)... bearing in mind how flexible those lines are these days. Deleting posts is heavy handed, as are immediate bans without a warning given first.
There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion and nobody has thrown any insults at you, or the other you. The main issue that upset me - and others - this morning is Davy's ban. I see it as an injustice and - again IMHO - I think the mods were wrong and I have said so. I am insulting nobody, it's just my point of view. Just as you have a point of view when you say something is rubbish. Davy shouldn't have been banned for what he would consider as standing up for the forum. So I see nothing wrong in standing up for him.
I like this place, if you do too, respect it.
Audios Thread has been Deleted so clearly we'er Wrong (again though respectfully Mods I Ask Why? and my issue is not with the alleged Multiple accounts factor ) Regards mark687 Mark, your January anticipation thread was presumably locked because it was a duplicate, not because anyone was right or wrong. I understand you won't have been aware of that if you couldn't see the other one, and you've been very polite and respectful of the forum throughout. Unfortunately Davy got angry on your behalf and I think he'd probably admit that he lets things provoke him(in fact I know he would as we've previously discussed it by PM). I really wish everyone else could be as calm and rational about their responses to this situation as you are being. |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 29, 2023 16:53:46 GMT
We understand that not everyone will agree with the decisions we Moderators have taken, however the way many are going about expressing their dissatisfaction is violating the rules and to be blunt is bullying in the extreme. Again, all suspicions that members are operating more than one account or that they are a banned member returned under a new name have been investigated and no evidence to substantiate them has been found. As such, there was no justification for any disciplinary action. Once again, we remind all members that complaints of any sort are to be brought to the Moderator team privately either through the reported post function, or via a private message.Oh so now we are bullying you and the mods as well. Ha. To quote you, nonsense. No thank you. I’ll keep this out in the open so it is transparent. That you all want to keep this away from everyone speaks volumes about the ground you stand on. I’ve received pms this morning from several longtime posters all saying the same basic thing. The mod team is getting played by one bad actor. My message remains the same. You all are hiding behind rules and not looking at or dealing with the real problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 16:56:21 GMT
It is NOT. Public accusations that have no evidence & result in a pile on of a forum user is being treated in the way it should. IMHO it is... the posts that were deleted from this very thread were not against the forum's rules and should have been 'within the lines' (so to speak)... bearing in mind how flexible those lines are these days. Deleting posts is heavy handed, as are immediate bans without a warning given first.
There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion and nobody has thrown any insults at you, or the other you. The main issue that upset me - and others - this morning is Davy's ban. I see it as an injustice and - again IMHO - I think the mods were wrong and I have said so. I am insulting nobody, it's just my point of view. Just as you have a point of view when you say something is rubbish. Davy shouldn't have been banned for what he would consider as standing up for the forum. So I see nothing wrong in standing up for him.
I like this place, if you do too, respect it.
Deleted our comments disgraceful behaviour. We said nothing of harrasement or hate just defending a mate. Well if that how the forum treats respected nembers im done. |
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 29, 2023 16:58:03 GMT
Still, I have no idea what "the real problem" is.
I think I will stay away from here until things have cooled down.
I do not need this kind of BS and negativity in my life which is, frankly, already crap and negative enough.
If I want to see and take part in championship b*tchfights, I go to work.
Thank you.
For everyone else-
ALL THE BEST AND A HAPPY NEW YEARS!!!!!!!!
See you later some time.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 29, 2023 16:59:25 GMT
Audios Thread has been Deleted so clearly we'er Wrong (again though respectfully Mods I Ask Why? and my issue is not with the alleged Multiple accounts factor ) Regards mark687 Mark, your January anticipation thread was presumably locked because it was a duplicate, not because anyone was right or wrong. I understand you won't have been aware of that if you couldn't see the other one, and you've been very polite and respectful of the forum throughout. Unfortunately Davy got angry on your behalf and I think he'd probably admit that he lets things provoke him(in fact I know he would as we've previously discussed it by PM). I really wish everyone else could be as calm and rational about their responses to this situation as you are being. In the the duplicate Thread incident I may've been Wrong (grateful for everyone's Support) I don't think they should banned of Posts Censored of it though. My main corcean though is 1 posters general tone I think they clearly break the Rules and are disprupting this Forum I continue to await a clear explanation as to why they don't. Regards mark687 |
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Post by Ela on Dec 29, 2023 18:17:13 GMT
Mark: We can't actually police "tone". It's more disruptive to the forum when people constantly questions someone's motivation for posting in the persistent way that has been done in this forum in recent weeks. And I suspect some of the "tone" you see is a result of that questioning.
Overall, most people are reasonable and are posting comments and observations about the topic at hand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 18:36:47 GMT
Mark: We can't actually police "tone". It's more disruptive to the forum when people constantly questions someone's motivation for posting in the persistent way that has been done in this forum in recent weeks. And I suspect some of the "tone" you see is a result of that questioning. Overall, most people are reasonable and are posting comments and observations about the topic at hand. Just so I understand this train of thought - it's the fault of poster questioning another's tone, that is responsible for that person's tone? Do I have that right? |
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Post by elkawho on Dec 29, 2023 18:42:45 GMT
I honestly have no idea what is going on (and also do not really care). But i really have to speak up in favour of timleschild. Again, without me knowing or even having witnessed any of the full story. I personally thought timleschild has been very proactive and great to discuss with recently.
I was very happy when he did the new "December Anticipation Thread".
I chide myself for being surprised him doing that (my apologies!), because in the past he had all these negative single word comments, but recently, the few discussions I took part in were very enjoyable.But then again, I have not been on very frequently and I also stayed away from all the Who TV discussions since I do not have Disney+ and I do not want Disney+ so had no chance yet to watch any new Who. Otherwise, all this petty discussion in this thread (completely off topic by the way) just feels, to infrequent people like me, like the squabbling of some tiresome toddlers. I find it hard to wade through it to be honest. So, as I am not "in the know" take my words with a grain of salt. But these would be my 2 cents to this tiresome discussion. Thank you tuigirl. I have noticed this as well. |
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Post by Ela on Dec 29, 2023 18:42:48 GMT
Mark: We can't actually police "tone". It's more disruptive to the forum when people constantly questions someone's motivation for posting in the persistent way that has been done in this forum in recent weeks. And I suspect some of the "tone" you see is a result of that questioning. Overall, most people are reasonable and are posting comments and observations about the topic at hand. Just so I understand this train of thought - it's the fault of poster questioning another's tone, that is responsible for that person's tone? Do I have that right? No, you do not have that right. What I said is that we don't police tone. There is no tone in written communication except for that which is inferred by the reader. And not everyone reads it the same or correctly. That's all it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 19:02:38 GMT
Just so I understand this train of thought - it's the fault of poster questioning another's tone, that is responsible for that person's tone? Do I have that right? No, you do not have that right. What I said is that we don't police tone. There is no tone in written communication except for that which is inferred by the reader. And not everyone reads it the same or correctly. That's all it is. You said 'I suspect some of the "tone" you see is a result of that questioning.' So if it's a result of that questioning, then your saying it's the responsibility/fault of the questioner. |
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Post by Ela on Dec 29, 2023 19:04:04 GMT
Please stop trying to twist what I said.
I'd like to respectfully request that we move on to the actual topic of this thread.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 19:07:10 GMT
Please stop trying to twist what I said. I'd like to respectfully request that we move on to the actual topic of this thread. Thanks. My last word then - I am not trying to twist anything you've said, just trying to understand it it because you seem to contradict yourself. Just like I'm trying to understand a lot of what has gone on here today.
Perhaps you're misreading my tone.
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