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Post by constonks on Nov 23, 2019 21:18:27 GMT
Racnos and Judoon. I guess we know which showrunner Chibnall's a bigger fan of. I mean what Moffat-era monsters would you bring back? Even Big Finish stuck to RTD's era in the CDNM boxsets. In fact I think the Silence might be the only 2010+ Monster to arrive on audio IIRC??
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Post by ollychops on Nov 23, 2019 21:48:36 GMT
I know people seem to be getting hyped for the Racnoss but are we sure it’s definitely the Racnoss and not them just reusing costume as a new alien? Also, the fact we’re getting two parters this series worries me because the majority of the episodes in S11 felt long enough as they were so I can only imagine how much a two parter is going to drag along if it’s the same quality as S11... For what its worth, I thought that the use of the two part story structure in series 9 & 10 was a big improvement in allowing story writers scope to have it both ways. Plenty of action, but also space to build a setting and characters with some greater depth and time for audience suspense and build up. So many single episode stories of new who are like the old two part stories (Awakening, Black Orchid, The Rescue, Sontaran Experiment, etc), as things have to be kept lean, otherwise its a runaround with lots of plot exposition. To my mind at least, it was the six part plus stories of old that suffered from padding to make use of budgets, whereas most four part stories, equivalent to two new series episodes, were just about right. Its precisely why I prefer the BF main range as opposed to their Fourth Doctor adventures. It also allows the production crew to spend more on one story, which is good provided the scripts are robust enough. Just one view though, so I appreciate if you prefer single episode trips, as do many viewers - Russell T Davies also, argued that modern audiences want to see things wrapped up on the night without having to await seven days to find out what happened next. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy two (or three!) parters, but for the majority of episodes during Series 11, I found myself looking at the clock wondering how long we had left, which I think is to do with the quality/pacing of the S11 episodes, so if that carries over to S12... I can see that the multi-part episodes are going to feel dragged out and may not be as strong as multi-part episodes in previous series. Of course, I could be worrying over nothing and we'll (hopefully) see more of a return to form with the quality/pacing in S12.
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Post by number13 on Nov 23, 2019 22:11:04 GMT
That looks fun! Monsters, explosions, Cybermen, action and more action! I like the thought-provoking stories too but hey I started out with the Pertwee Doctor and one way or another I do like some havoc in my Who
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Post by project37 on Nov 24, 2019 0:12:56 GMT
Wow! That looks fun and confident and exciting - can't wait!
Also, Jodie Whittaker in a tuxedo...I might actually be swooning.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 24, 2019 0:31:11 GMT
I just hope this new series is less bland than the previous series was.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 5:56:09 GMT
I don’t know about you guys but Series 12 looks badass!😃 Well beggar me am No Fan as you all know of the gender swap thingy but This actually may entice me to watch 😉
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 8:59:58 GMT
Season 11 was great & this looks like a continuation of that. I think there might be a plan Chibbers is working to, a refresh last season with no old monsters no arc no 2 parters & this season 2 parters & old monsters. Maybe the heavy arc will be saved for season 13.
Oh & it may be the delay in transmission but I am so looking forward to seeing this Tardis Team in action again.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 24, 2019 9:58:19 GMT
Season 11 was great & this looks like a continuation of that. I think there might be a plan Chibbers is working to, a refresh last season with no old monsters no arc no 2 parters & this season 2 parters & old monsters. Maybe the heavy arc will be saved for season 13. Oh & it may be the delay in transmission but I am so looking forward to seeing this Tardis Team in action again. RTD did a similar thing in Season 1 to keep new fans engaged and not feel like there was heaps of catching up to do. While I’ve been saying for a while that Season 11 reminded me a lot of Season 2 (lots of sonic use, the Doctor babbling on and gurning, lots of stuff about weapons being useless) I think that this season could go full RTD (sometimes it’s good to go full RTD (sorrynotsorry)) and really unleash the history of the show. And if Resolution was anything to go by, I am looking forward to it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 10:41:38 GMT
Season 11 was great & this looks like a continuation of that. I think there might be a plan Chibbers is working to, a refresh last season with no old monsters no arc no 2 parters & this season 2 parters & old monsters. Maybe the heavy arc will be saved for season 13. Oh & it may be the delay in transmission but I am so looking forward to seeing this Tardis Team in action again. RTD did a similar thing in Season 1 to keep new fans engaged and not feel like there was heaps of catching up to do. While I’ve been saying for a while that Season 11 reminded me a lot of Season 2 (lots of sonic use, the Doctor babbling on and gurning, lots of stuff about weapons being useless) I think that this season could go full RTD (sometimes it’s good to go full RTD (sorrynotsorry)) and really unleash the history of the show. And if Resolution was anything to go by, I am looking forward to it. I hope Chibbers uses 'classic' elements sparingly in this upcoming season. My big criticism of 21st century Who is an overreliance on the shows history, a bit too self referential at times.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 24, 2019 12:03:04 GMT
Oh, right. Forgot to do a full thoughts. Yeha, it looks cool. Big emphasis on speed and energy here - the pacing, the amount of chase and running sequences, the stunt work. Chris is definitely selling a very rollercoaster, manic series, with possibly the biggest production values to date in this franchise. The spy story will definitely play into Chibbs' strengths as a thriller writer. Got Tesla, got Hitchcock, got Lenny Henry with a gun.
Also, the rusted Cyberman look great. Even the slightly distended jaw on the helmet is kinda creepy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 12:20:25 GMT
Racnos and Judoon. I guess we know which showrunner Chibnall's a bigger fan of. Do we? Seems like a bit of conjecture there from you to be honest.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 24, 2019 12:25:52 GMT
Racnos and Judoon. I guess we know which showrunner Chibnall's a bigger fan of. Do we? Seems like a bit of conjecture there from you to be honest. I’m getting bored of the constant RTD vs Moffat with people trying to make out like Moffat is some sort of stain on Doctor Who that the bbc is trying to do away with. That’s coming from someone who doesn’t like Moffat as a showrunner.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 24, 2019 12:41:59 GMT
Racnos and Judoon. I guess we know which showrunner Chibnall's a bigger fan of. Do we? Seems like a bit of conjecture there from you to be honest. Well its safer to think The Racnos and Judoon are more memorable than most of Moffatt's Era stuff (irony one of the 2 memorable Monsters of his Era is one your not meant to remember!)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 14:50:22 GMT
Do we? Seems like a bit of conjecture there from you to be honest. I’m getting bored of the constant RTD vs Moffat with people trying to make out like Moffat is some sort of stain on Doctor Who that the bbc is trying to do away with. That’s coming from someone who doesn’t like Moffat as a showrunner. So true.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 14:51:13 GMT
Do we? Seems like a bit of conjecture there from you to be honest. Well its safer to think The Racnos and Judoon are more memorable than most of Moffatt's Era stuff (irony one of the 2 memorable Monsters of his Era is one your not meant to remember!)
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Or that Chibbers has just found some good uses for these preexisting monsters.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 24, 2019 14:57:38 GMT
Well its safer to think The Racnos and Judoon are more memorable than most of Moffatt's Era stuff (irony one of the 2 memorable Monsters of his Era is one your not meant to remember!)
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Or that Chibbers has just found some good uses for these preexisting monsters. Both are good relatable concepts anyway "Space Police that look like Rhinos and Giant Spider/Scorpions from the Dawn of Time"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 22:50:39 GMT
Do we? Seems like a bit of conjecture there from you to be honest. I’m getting bored of the constant RTD vs Moffat with people trying to make out like Moffat is some sort of stain on Doctor Who that the bbc is trying to do away with. That’s coming from someone who doesn’t like Moffat as a showrunner. Is that the latest school of thought? I only frequent this forum nowadays, and its a pleasure not to read such cobblers from, I presume, Those Who Hate Everything.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 24, 2019 23:59:44 GMT
I’m getting bored of the constant RTD vs Moffat with people trying to make out like Moffat is some sort of stain on Doctor Who that the bbc is trying to do away with. That’s coming from someone who doesn’t like Moffat as a showrunner. Is that the latest school of thought? I only frequent this forum nowadays, and its a pleasure not to read such cobblers from, I presume, Those Who Hate Everything. Well it tends to be either: “The Moffat era was a failure and the BBC and Chibnall are course-correcting by following the example of the RTD era” or “Series 11 proves that we didn’t realise how good we had it with Moffat who in hindsight was great whereas Chibnall has killed Doctor Who” I honestly don’t know why it’s always turned into a competition between eras and conspiracies that people are being ousted by the BBC because they make the show rubbish. It’s all a load of horse manure.
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Post by constonks on Nov 25, 2019 3:59:16 GMT
Is that the latest school of thought? I only frequent this forum nowadays, and its a pleasure not to read such cobblers from, I presume, Those Who Hate Everything. Well it tends to be either: “The Moffat era was a failure and the BBC and Chibnall are course-correcting by following the example of the RTD era” or “Series 11 proves that we didn’t realise how good we had it with Moffat who in hindsight was great whereas Chibnall has killed Doctor Who” I honestly don’t know why it’s always turned into a competition between eras and conspiracies that people are being ousted by the BBC because they make the show rubbish. It’s all a load of horse manure. The same arguments since Series 5, reheated and repackaged. Same black and white "I'm right you're wrong" garbage. All-or-nothing criticism like that just makes me tune out when I read it...
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 25, 2019 7:25:41 GMT
Racnos and Judoon. I guess we know which showrunner Chibnall's a bigger fan of. I mean what Moffat-era monsters would you bring back? Even Big Finish stuck to RTD's era in the CDNM boxsets. In fact I think the Silence might be the only 2010+ Monster to arrive on audio IIRC?? I don’t remember the Silence on audio ....
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