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Post by masterdoctor on Feb 3, 2019 23:27:34 GMT
I can't agree with the second half of your first paragraph. One, I still can't understand why Cyber-Brig was and is a problem. It was a loving tribute to both the character and Nick Courtney, and every dead person is being upgraded, yet The Brig is the one who is able to fight against the "programming" and save both his daughter and The Doctor one last time. And Moffat should have no obligation to stay true to what amounts to a fringe license that isn't actually Doctor Who itself. They are the main show and some niche book series should have no pull on them. Your last statement is true from the small amount of what I've read from the books, and seeing that they have announced a tie-in/sequel to Downtime only goes too further that statement. When using a liscenced character, surely it might be wise to check that the liscence holder hasn’t expanded the character’s history in any way? I guess, but they aren't a licensed Doctor Who product and The Brig wasn't actually in Twice Upon A Time, so I still have a hard time seeing your side in this case. But as a general rule of them, I do agree with you on that. If Candy Jar was doing this in a capacity with the BBC involved, then I would give it more weight if that makes sense. Also, it has been a while since I watched them, but aren't Colonel L.S' stories actually very light with his involvement, as in Web of Fear and Abominable Snowman. If so, it has to make you laugh that they want to say that the character of The Brig is truly theirs.
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Post by pillicock on Feb 4, 2019 0:09:55 GMT
I think a problem for me is that Haisman/Lincoln may have created Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart the Brig that everyone loves was more the organic product of Nick Courtney, Derrek Sherwin, Terrence Dicks and Barry Letts. The fact that Haisman's niece and a hanger-on are trying to call the shots, especially when the Candy Jar Books wouldn't sell a single copy if they weren't a tacit BBC rip-off, leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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Post by Max Kashevsky on Feb 4, 2019 15:19:49 GMT
I can't agree with the second half of your first paragraph. One, I still can't understand why Cyber-Brig was and is a problem. It was a loving tribute to both the character and Nick Courtney, and every dead person is being upgraded, yet The Brig is the one who is able to fight against the "programming" and save both his daughter and The Doctor one last time. And Moffat should have no obligation to stay true to what amounts to a fringe license that isn't actually Doctor Who itself. They are the main show and some niche book series should have no pull on them. Your last statement is true from the small amount of what I've read from the books, and seeing that they have announced a tie-in/sequel to Downtime only goes too further that statement. When using a liscenced character, surely it might be wise to check that the liscence holder hasn’t expanded the character’s history in any way? The issue feels a little more complicated with Doctor Who, where multiple spin-offs, book licensees, audio dramas, let alone the TV series itself, all give conflicted accounts of many characters' backstories. Maybe we've come to expect a little more coherence to the Brig since Chibnall coincidentally picked the name "Kate" for his daughter.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 4, 2019 16:13:05 GMT
As far as the story itself goes... I liked it. Nice little character piece
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 18, 2019 19:51:47 GMT
A little too self-indulgent for me; it amounts to nothing. I thought it was ironic that the Brigadier didn’t really feel like the Brigadier - despite throwing continuity references left, right and centre - even though it was written by the trustee of the Haisman & Lincoln estate!
I didn’t really understand the purpose of the aliens. They appear in the last 10 minutes or so and the Doctor appeared, rattled on a bit and everything is resolved. It’s all very unnecessary.
I do get fatigued by Leela on occasion, but Louise Jameson is always great and her reading here is lovely, even if I wasn’t keen on the story itself.
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Post by Ela on May 5, 2021 18:00:02 GMT
Well, I see this thread has been overtaken by disputes about the ownership of the character of the Brigadier and the Candy Jar books. People seem to be writing off this story as no good because of that. That's a shame. I'm going to just comment on the story without getting into a discussion of the pros and cons of who owns the Brig's character and the consequences of that.
I thought it was an interesting little encounter between Leela and the Brigadier. Nothing more nothing less. I quite enjoyed this little short story.
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