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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 5:57:24 GMT
I have had five listens now to each story.
Am not great worrier about how everything fits together in Doctor Who continuity or on the time lines of various characters.This is again though one of those sets where i have started the first episode and continued straight on to the last...as long as i enjoy the drama and the story being spun i can let little things slide. I realise Liv and Helen aren’t everyone’s cup of tea but i enjoy their two natures and haven't had a problem telling them apart vocally but thats something they can correct in future sets to help other listeners.I am glad they get to continue their journey together on hopefully more episodic stand alone adventures.
The Ravenous Sets-i did find the first set a bit of a slow burner but on relistening they have become entertaining,too high an expectation of the Ravenous hyped in me.From 2nd onwards i was totally hooked and geared up and have a real love of each of the stories from Kaldor onwards(and from that was sold on the idea of what Liv did next),So looking forward to the Robot series (although would have preferred 3 box sets of four stories not the planned 4 box sets of 3-is it a cheaper better deal?)
Did the sets satisfy most certainly right through to the finale,it was horrific fun,adventurous,dramatic and even a laugh( Thanks to Michelle Gomez delivering Mr Dorneys lines so well). They told the tale they delivered a great ending they tied up little questions i had over super powerful Wish Lords and gave a great origin for the Ravenous.They delivered some gruesome and wonderful Mind Visualisation scenes especially Seizure/Deeptime/Master/Krampus/whisper stories.And like the Classic Doc adventures of the past say a title and a terrific scene comes to mind..oh thats the one with/where etc.Thats good scripting in my opinion and something John and Matt do very very well.
Do the sets have a fault?Yes one in my opinion and i do not know what Mr Fitton and Mr Dorney think-But i would have given a taster of the Ravenous from episode one just a little tease.Hindsights a great thing and it would be nice to know if the writers producers looking back at the four sets would have done anything slightly differently.
Anyways said enough-summing up-I Bloody Loved the Ride 🤪😎👍💛💛💛💛💛
Ps- cannot wait till the Discs arrive.I mean the Collectors Edition
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 6:39:44 GMT
I have had five listens now to each story. Am not great worrier about how everything fits together in Doctor Who continuity or on the time lines of various characters.This is again though one of those sets where i have started the first episode and continued straight on to the last...as long as i enjoy the drama and the story being spun i can let little things slide. I realise Liv and Helen aren’t everyone’s cup of tea but i enjoy their two natures and haven't had a problem telling them apart vocally but thats something they can correct in future sets to help other listeners.I am glad they get to continue their journey together on hopefully more episodic stand alone adventures. The Ravenous Sets-i did find the first set a bit of a slow burner but on relistening they have become entertaining,too high an expectation of the Ravenous hyped in me.From 2nd onwards i was totally hooked and geared up and have a real love of each of the stories from Kaldor onwards(and from that was sold on the idea of what Liv did next),So looking forward to the Robot series (although would have preferred 3 box sets of four stories not the planned 4 box sets of 3-is it a cheaper better deal?) Did the sets satisfy most certainly right through to the finale,it was horrific fun,adventurous,dramatic and even a laugh( Thanks to Michelle Gomez delivering Mr Dorneys lines so well). They told the tale they delivered a great ending they tied up little questions i had over super powerful Wish Lords and gave a great origin for the Ravenous.They delivered some gruesome and wonderful Mind Visualisation scenes especially Seizure/Deeptime/Master/Krampus/whisper stories.And like the Classic Doc adventures of the past say a title and a terrific scene comes to mind..oh thats the one with/where etc.Thats good scripting in my opinion and something John and Matt do very very well. Do the sets have a fault?Yes one in my opinion and i do not know what Mr Fitton and Mr Dorney think-But i would have given a taster of the Ravenous from episode one just a little tease.Hindsights a great thing and it would be nice to know if the writers producers looking back at the four sets would have done anything slightly differently. Anyways said enough-summing up-I Bloody Loved the Ride 🤪😎👍💛💛💛💛💛 Ps- cannot wait till the Discs arrive.I mean the Collectors Edition Collectors Edition! What collectors edition?? It's just the standard box set isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 7:08:19 GMT
I have had five listens now to each story. Am not great worrier about how everything fits together in Doctor Who continuity or on the time lines of various characters.This is again though one of those sets where i have started the first episode and continued straight on to the last...as long as i enjoy the drama and the story being spun i can let little things slide. I realise Liv and Helen aren’t everyone’s cup of tea but i enjoy their two natures and haven't had a problem telling them apart vocally but thats something they can correct in future sets to help other listeners.I am glad they get to continue their journey together on hopefully more episodic stand alone adventures. The Ravenous Sets-i did find the first set a bit of a slow burner but on relistening they have become entertaining,too high an expectation of the Ravenous hyped in me.From 2nd onwards i was totally hooked and geared up and have a real love of each of the stories from Kaldor onwards(and from that was sold on the idea of what Liv did next),So looking forward to the Robot series (although would have preferred 3 box sets of four stories not the planned 4 box sets of 3-is it a cheaper better deal?) Did the sets satisfy most certainly right through to the finale,it was horrific fun,adventurous,dramatic and even a laugh( Thanks to Michelle Gomez delivering Mr Dorneys lines so well). They told the tale they delivered a great ending they tied up little questions i had over super powerful Wish Lords and gave a great origin for the Ravenous.They delivered some gruesome and wonderful Mind Visualisation scenes especially Seizure/Deeptime/Master/Krampus/whisper stories.And like the Classic Doc adventures of the past say a title and a terrific scene comes to mind..oh thats the one with/where etc.Thats good scripting in my opinion and something John and Matt do very very well. Do the sets have a fault?Yes one in my opinion and i do not know what Mr Fitton and Mr Dorney think-But i would have given a taster of the Ravenous from episode one just a little tease.Hindsights a great thing and it would be nice to know if the writers producers looking back at the four sets would have done anything slightly differently. Anyways said enough-summing up-I Bloody Loved the Ride 🤪😎👍💛💛💛💛💛 Ps- cannot wait till the Discs arrive.I mean the Collectors Edition Collectors Edition! What collectors edition?? It's just the standard box set isn't it? Nope all Cds are Collectors editions 🤪 see and read lol www.bigfinish.com/news/v/four-incarnations-of-the-master-unite-to-face-the-ravenous
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 9:55:47 GMT
I read that, Stanley ! Why's it classed as a collectors edition, that somehow indicates that there is a standard edition
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 10:00:05 GMT
I read that, Stanley ! Why's it classed as a collectors edition, that somehow indicates that there is a standard edition Yes..the download 😉
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Post by randomcomments on Oct 12, 2019 12:03:09 GMT
I read that, Stanley ! Why's it classed as a collectors edition, that somehow indicates that there is a standard edition They've started a new thing where they're calling every CD release a Collector's Edition (not to be confused with the Limited vs. Standard distinction). It seems numb to me, too, but I'm not a marketing specialist; maybe it's working for them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 12:09:33 GMT
I read that, Stanley ! Why's it classed as a collectors edition, that somehow indicates that there is a standard edition They've started a new thing where they're calling every CD release a Collector's Edition (not to be confused with the Limited vs. Standard distinction). It seems numb to me, too, but I'm not a marketing specialist; maybe it's working for them. Ah, I see Thanks. Might be working for them, but its a bit baffling and misleading to me after all these years. It's just yer standard boxed audio set as far as I'm concerned. 'Collectors Edition' to me, insinuates it's something special, which as far as I can see, isn't the case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 12:28:49 GMT
I read that, Stanley ! Why's it classed as a collectors edition, that somehow indicates that there is a standard edition They've started a new thing where they're calling every CD release a Collector's Edition (not to be confused with the Limited vs. Standard distinction). It seems numb to me, too, but I'm not a marketing specialist; maybe it's working for them. Or the greedy materialistic not very green persons edition 😂
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Post by antartiks on Oct 12, 2019 18:30:04 GMT
So, I binged the whole box set on wednesday as I had planned. Since you've said a lot of things already I won't post a long message but I thought this was the best conclusion of the McGann "box set" era, so I'm including Dark Eyes and Doom Coalition in this. I thought Fitton delivered his best scripts in years (since Dark Eyes 3 probably) and I loved how Dorney's finale retrospectively made his Ravenous 2 two-parter even better. The element he adds into the Doctor Who lore as a whole is excellent and I loved how the end of episode 3 reminded me for obvious reasons of a RTD script, but done right this time. Now to delve into spoilers territory, {Spoiler} Mark Bonnar's last scene was really brilliantly played. I know some people hated the Eleven because he was maybe too cartoony at times but I though he just nailed his regeneration scene. We now know why Eight is instantly afraid when he meets The Twelve years later. I hope we will get more of Bonnar's Eleven sporadically, like with The Nine who pops up in a few episodes outside this range.
Missy particularly annoyed me here. I never understood how anybody could like her, to me she's the most cringy incarnation of the Master. Her interactions with Roberts were hilarious though and I always knew the War Master would be annoyed by her attitude.
Now I REALLY hope Liv and Helen will leave sooner rather than later. This team is my favorite TARDIS team along with Two, Jamie and Zoe and Three and Jo but I don't want Liv to become increasingly boring as she's my favorite BF companion with Evelyn. I would have been absolutely okay with her dying in the final episode so I hope Dorney and Fitton know what they are doing, I don't want her to become like Charley who stayed too long with Eight for me even though I love her too. To conclude, I think Ravenous as a whole was quite refreshing and I liked how some episodes were purely standalone. I think I loved this saga as much as Doom Coalition and I really enjoyed how it tied up some loose ends that had been hanging for years. Hope we won't have to wait for a year for Stranded now, in the meantime I cannot wait to hear Robots to know what Liv was up to before she came back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 18:46:01 GMT
Planet Of Dust and Day Of The Master Part One done now. Wow. I'm not really sure where the "filler" talk comes from. I can see that for other boxes in this series but not here. This is all very strong stuff to my mind and very much the most cohesive narrative since Dark Eyes. The first ep, Whisper, is a character piece to re--introduce the status quo and put all the chess pieces on the board for the set. Then Planet Of Dust is really the start of the epic finale. It's the Turn Left or Utopia of the set, surely? A lead in to the final epic story in which gradual reveals and twists take us to the beginning of the end. At first I worried it'd be just another planet-adventure but with the slow-burn ontroduction of The Master and The Eleven revealing his plans gradually it was a truly enjoyable ride. Loved the fake out of River being the one with a Vortex Manipulator. Yeah...sorry Helen. Someone else has one too.. Day Of The Master Part 1....yeah. I know people are going mad for the cliffhanger - and rightly so, it's a really strong one - but I wouldn't let that overshadow the rest of the ep which I thought was wonderful. I love that not only do all the protagonists, Masters/Missy and Artron have unique and different adventures going on all over the place but that they're all working to different goals yet all with agency. No-one here is treading water and just there as I would argue some characters have been for BF in recent times (Hi Bliss!). I think special mention must be given here to Derek Jacobi who pitches his performance so arch but so in tune with the spirit of the peace that I'm just glad we have him at BF. When he gives us that almost fourth wall breaking "I AM NOT A NUMBER...I AM...", I burst out laughing. Did Nick Briggs take over for a scene? Then we get a lovely OTT "drums" bit of score, tying into this incarnation. How lovely for any fans of Last Tango In Halifax to have Jacobi and Nicola Walker together for so long but in such a different way to the TV versions we see of them. I think Nicola works so much better with a more OTT performer opposite her. She gets to play up the dry sarcasm more. IF - and I'm bloody hopeful now - the last ep is as good as the first part then along with 2 good, solid openers then I don't think I'd be hyperbolic in saying this would be my favourite 8th Doctor boxset since the first Dark Eyes. It FEELS like a culmination, an event. Not in a forced way like some of BF's boxes have...this feels like a story written for the characters and not the characters decided on before a story was dreamt up. It's organic in a way some other sets are artificial, if that makes sense. I'm having a great time with my commutes this week! I'll be sad to see it over...but it will give me time to catch up on THE BACKLOG which is currently the size of a small country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 18:49:10 GMT
Also...does anyone think this poll has two of the lowest scores because people thought "hungry for more" means they'd like more rather than they didn't like it?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 12, 2019 21:41:47 GMT
Planet Of Dust and Day Of The Master Part One done now. Wow. I'm not really sure where the "filler" talk comes from. I can see that for other boxes in this series but not here. This is all very strong stuff to my mind and very much the most cohesive narrative since Dark Eyes. The first ep, Whisper, is a character piece to re--introduce the status quo and put all the chess pieces on the board for the set. Then Planet Of Dust is really the start of the epic finale. It's the Turn Left or Utopia of the set, surely? A lead in to the final epic story in which gradual reveals and twists take us to the beginning of the end. At first I worried it'd be just another planet-adventure but with the slow-burn ontroduction of The Master and The Eleven revealing his plans gradually it was a truly enjoyable ride. Loved the fake out of River being the one with a Vortex Manipulator. Yeah...sorry Helen. Someone else has one too.. Day Of The Master Part 1....yeah. I know people are going mad for the cliffhanger - and rightly so, it's a really strong one - but I wouldn't let that overshadow the rest of the ep which I thought was wonderful. I love that not only do all the protagonists, Masters/Missy and Artron have unique and different adventures going on all over the place but that they're all working to different goals yet all with agency. No-one here is treading water and just there as I would argue some characters have been for BF in recent times (Hi Bliss!). I think special mention must be given here to Derek Jacobi who pitches his performance so arch but so in tune with the spirit of the peace that I'm just glad we have him at BF. When he gives us that almost fourth wall breaking "I AM NOT A NUMBER...I AM...", I burst out laughing. Did Nick Briggs take over for a scene? Then we get a lovely OTT "drums" bit of score, tying into this incarnation. How lovely for any fans of Last Tango In Halifax to have Jacobi and Nicola Walker together for so long but in such a different way to the TV versions we see of them. I think Nicola works so much better with a more OTT performer opposite her. She gets to play up the dry sarcasm more. IF - and I'm bloody hopeful now - the last ep is as good as the first part then along with 2 good, solid openers then I don't think I'd be hyperbolic in saying this would be my favourite 8th Doctor boxset since the first Dark Eyes. It FEELS like a culmination, an event. Not in a forced way like some of BF's boxes have...this feels like a story written for the characters and not the characters decided on before a story was dreamt up. It's organic in a way some other sets are artificial, if that makes sense. I'm having a great time with my commutes this week! I'll be sad to see it over...but it will give me time to catch up on THE BACKLOG which is currently the size of a small country. I did a re-listen of volume 4 and I've come around to your way of thinking. I think taken together volumes 3 & 4 are both really strong and the series ends on a very high note.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 12, 2019 23:07:15 GMT
Also...does anyone think this poll has two of the lowest scores because people thought "hungry for more" means they'd like more rather than they didn't like it? NO its fine as it is
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 8:51:05 GMT
Now that I've finished the set and read back through comments...I really don't hear what others do when they say Roberts is better here than he was last time. That's a bit like a punch to the face being better than a kick to the groin as he was shocking here, I thought. The scene near the end when The Masters gang up on The Eleven has him give some of the worst, flattest line deliveries since Cotton in The Mutants. The man is an Oscar nominee....where did his talent go? He was wonderful in Runaway Train and Pope Of Greenwich Village. Is it laziness? Just that he's bad on audio? Or does being in the same scene as Mark Bonnar, Michaelle Gomez and Derek Jacobi just show his more...ummm....restrained style to be quite out of place?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 9:01:22 GMT
I have to say I'm surprised that we didn't see one or both companions leave. Liv getting her own series I thought was a clue for that on top of the fact they've now been about on board The Tardis for a long time now. I still think if the next series is another 4 set arc then they would perhaps be candidates to leave somewhat early in that saga. There is only so much without a shakeup that the ongoing adventures can take, I think.
I was reminded of Day Of The Doctors half-regen from Hurt to Eccleston where we got Bonnar-McKenzie and Beevers-McQueen's regens without cameos from the incoming incarnations. Would have been nice but, well, we can't have it all.
Looking back over the series I think more than Doom Coalition or Dark Eyes it seems Ravenous was almost designed as one long season a la Torchwood. It would explain what some regard as filler - it was essentially the mid-season eps. While we got a 3-part finale straight out of the RTD era. It retrospectively gives the Ravenous stories more shape and structure. It explains why the title monsters showed up so late...because in a 16 ep series they would do. Little bit of a Toclofane thing going on there with them being turned from innocents to killers.
I'm looking forward to December and seeing what comes next. I don't think any would have guessed we have the same crew, and a similiar ending to Time War 3 oddly, but I would love a bit of a shakeup - format, characters, characterisation of existing characters, just something to give the 8DAs (as I still think of this ongoing series) a bit of a refresh.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 13, 2019 9:33:39 GMT
Now that I've finished the set and read back through comments...I really don't hear what others do when they say Roberts is better here than he was last time. That's a bit like a punch to the face being better than a kick to the groin as he was shocking here, I thought. The scene near the end when The Masters gang up on The Eleven has him give some of the worst, flattest line deliveries since Cotton in The Mutants. The man is an Oscar nominee....where did his talent go? He was wonderful in Runaway Train and Pope Of Greenwich Village. Is it laziness? Just that he's bad on audio? Or does being in the same scene as Mark Bonnar, Michaelle Gomez and Derek Jacobi just show his more...ummm....restrained style to be quite out of place? Given the man’s talent, work ethic, and the difficulty around organising a recording with him, his performance has to be intentional and scripted.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 10:32:40 GMT
Now that I've finished the set and read back through comments...I really don't hear what others do when they say Roberts is better here than he was last time. That's a bit like a punch to the face being better than a kick to the groin as he was shocking here, I thought. The scene near the end when The Masters gang up on The Eleven has him give some of the worst, flattest line deliveries since Cotton in The Mutants. The man is an Oscar nominee....where did his talent go? He was wonderful in Runaway Train and Pope Of Greenwich Village. Is it laziness? Just that he's bad on audio? Or does being in the same scene as Mark Bonnar, Michaelle Gomez and Derek Jacobi just show his more...ummm....restrained style to be quite out of place? Given the man’s talent, work ethic, and the difficulty around organising a recording with him, his performance has to be intentional and scripted. It's obviously scripted, sure but while the performance may be intentional that doesn't have any bearing on it's quality. To me he stood out like a sore thumb. And I say that as someone who liked his OTT performance in the TV Movie and as I said in my post has loved some of his work in the past. It just doesn't sound like he's in tune with the material, has any idea what's going on and doesn't modulate his tone at all. Very much sounded like someone reading the script for the first time.
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 13, 2019 10:49:07 GMT
Now that I've finished the set and read back through comments...I really don't hear what others do when they say Roberts is better here than he was last time. That's a bit like a punch to the face being better than a kick to the groin as he was shocking here, I thought. The scene near the end when The Masters gang up on The Eleven has him give some of the worst, flattest line deliveries since Cotton in The Mutants. The man is an Oscar nominee....where did his talent go? He was wonderful in Runaway Train and Pope Of Greenwich Village. Is it laziness? Just that he's bad on audio? Or does being in the same scene as Mark Bonnar, Michaelle Gomez and Derek Jacobi just show his more...ummm....restrained style to be quite out of place? I said he was much better in Ravenous than River Song and I still completely agree with you. Being better doesn’t mean he’s putting in a good performance! He’s just so lifeless. The material he’s given can’t help as he isn’t given an awful lot; shares a scene with McGann and spouts some continuity related exposition. As I said in my initial post, I’m in no rush to hear more from him.
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Post by antartiks on Oct 13, 2019 11:46:09 GMT
Briggs has just confirmed on Twitter that MacQueen would be back someday, squee. We haven't heard the last from him.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 13, 2019 13:41:05 GMT
An excellent ending. It really does feel like the end of an era for the Eighth Doctor.
Surprisingly some elements are remaining the same, but with so much resolution; with characters reaching satisfying conclusions, this box set felt like a fitting finale not just to Ravenous, but to so much that has gone before.
Now just a few things I feel I have to mention....
That Dorney cliffhanger was as good as hoped. And I did give it five hours before I listened to the final episode to give my mind the time it need.
Jacobi brings a whole new level of evil to the Master. I felt physically ill listening to him tell Liv what her eternal fate would be. I shouted out in relief when the Doctor turned up!
I hope we get to hear more from the Wish Lord. If Jago & Litefoot was still going I would suggest that he should be part of a future set for them. Perhaps he would work well in a Paternoster special?
This was all so entertaining...we are so lucky to have Big Finish and all the talented individuals that work for them.
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