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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 28, 2019 17:46:30 GMT
Don't think I have any issues with this being "gimmicky", or redundant relative to the River range. As always, it may be expeditious to record more than one thing with an actor while you're getting them into the studio, and I'm really rather excited that they're all making appearances in Ravenous. Looking forward to this! No-one has said the creatives aren't taking it seriously, and I think you equating any objections as people calling it akin to drunk fanjodrell is the most flippant thing we've seen on the thread, far more so than anyone actually commenting on the story in the first place. To be fair, I think perhaps Digi opening that remark with "It's not as though..." would actually be dis-equating people's objections with the sentiment of inebriated fanfic? |
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Post by drj on Mar 28, 2019 18:38:16 GMT
Basically, I’m very excited about this one. Pre-purchase approaching!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 21:05:19 GMT
I guess with the likes of Jacobi, Roberts and Gomez, it is a case of making the most of their availability in attending a booked recording session. Perhaps their total dialogue for one story may be in the can in an hour or so without 'phoning it in'? I get the feeling that by getting them to do their bit for a greater number of scripts means they can be included quite prominently, hence it appears to be a bit like a run of Marvel/DC superhero crossovers, where they all take turns guesting in each others films/comics.
No doubt it will feel like overkill if you follow all these ranges (War Master, Missy, River Song, Ravenous) and are up to date with your listening. As johnhurtdoctor posted on this thread though, too much continuity or returning characters can be off-putting if you prefer to dip into releases. But then, these are designed as distinct from the Main range and are perhaps aimed at those who want a strong running story arc, as is the fashion these days for cult TV. Stuff like this is one of their selling points, I suspect.
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 28, 2019 21:07:15 GMT
I will be very frank-
when I saw these news today, my very first thought was:
"Well, no wonder they need to hitch up the prices when they are doing these expensive star-line-ups all year."
It is a bit sad that this was my first though when hearing these news (considering recent PR disasters...).
Because- these are actually excellent news.
Sounds great.
I also do not really agree about the gimmick/ fanjodrell argument... because, let's face it, quite a lot of BF is blatant fanjodrell and this is WHY I love it.
I am sure Dorney and Co. have written some great stories and it certainly will beat the growling and howling Ravenous creature we heard so far (and which did not impress me at all).
So yeah, I am glad I have pre-ordered this months ago.
Am I mollified now after the PR- disaster in the past week?
A little bit.
I just hope BF do not overstretch their limits- all these massive event releases with lots of stars in it...
of course that is not cheap.
And at the same time alienating overseas customers with some less than optimal communication skills...
Could have been handled a teeny-tiny bit better IMHO.
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 28, 2019 22:05:05 GMT
Well I confess I didn’t see all this coming and before the third set is even out!
I am imagining The Day of the Master having a similar set up to The Day of the Doctor with the “current” Jacobi Master meeting up with his past and future selves to fight the Ravenous and that pesky interfering annoyance known as the Doctor getting in the way. Perhaps even an alliance against a greater evil.
And speaking of evil I am looking forward to The Eleven meeting the Master. He could certainly learn something from the Roberts Master...at least he always dressed for the occasion!
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Post by vivdunstan on Mar 28, 2019 22:30:29 GMT
Ok I'm tempted by this, though I agree with some others that it seems a bit too similar to the River/Masters box. But I haven't heard any Ravenous before. I'm not sure I'll get to it before this comes out, but would I have any hope of following this as it is? I know that's maybe a difficult question for customers who haven't heard it to answer  But it's certainly not going to make me hoover up Ravenous 1-3 in advance. Even though I'm currently part way through Doom Coalition, and liking that. |
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Post by Digi on Mar 28, 2019 23:38:01 GMT
Ok I'm tempted by this, though I agree with some others that it seems a bit too similar to the River/Masters box. But I haven't heard any Ravenous before. I'm not sure I'll get to it before this comes out, but would I have any hope of following this as it is? I know that's maybe a difficult question for customers who haven't heard it to answer But it's certainly not going to make me hoover up Ravenous 1-3 in advance. Even though I'm currently part way through Doom Coalition, and liking that. Cavan Scott asked John Dorney this very question earlier today: Hope that helps! |
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Post by vivdunstan on Mar 29, 2019 0:33:13 GMT
Ok I'm tempted by this, though I agree with some others that it seems a bit too similar to the River/Masters box. But I haven't heard any Ravenous before. I'm not sure I'll get to it before this comes out, but would I have any hope of following this as it is? I know that's maybe a difficult question for customers who haven't heard it to answer But it's certainly not going to make me hoover up Ravenous 1-3 in advance. Even though I'm currently part way through Doom Coalition, and liking that. Cavan Scott asked John Dorney this very question earlier today: Hope that helps!
Yes, that's really helpful. Many thanks!
Does probably mean I won't get round to buying this or listening for ages though, probably some long in the future sale!
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Post by axelotl38 on Mar 29, 2019 3:28:54 GMT
I mean I agree it's a gimmick, and I think saying it isn't is totally ignoring what's clearly there. But....gimmicks are what Big Finish do a lot. I mean even the concept of Big Finish is a gimmick: Telling new stories of that old show you like. But a gimmick isn't automatically bad. The Diary of River Song meeting all the previous classics (though I'm still waiting for Bradley, Hines and Treloar, BF writers take notes!) is a gimmick, but they're also brilliant stories. Doing a boxset reuniting Seven with the companions from the New Adventures is a gimmick, bringing in Six and Constance with Flip is a gimmick, doing a series set after the Time War Master who only had 5 minutes screentime is a gimmick. So much of Big Finish is gimmicky, but we enjoy it, and take it for granted anyway. I mean this year alone we have the Brig/Liz returning, a multi-Doctor story with Katarina and having the Master meet Two (even if it is Dreyfus), Four has a new companion, Fifth has Kamelion reunited etc. (There's something to be said about being self-indulgent in the 20th anniversary year to be fair, but still). I've said before how I always feel like the 8th Doctor stuff is almost like comic books. Consistent writers covering his whole journey, with many crossovers with other ranges and such. It's not new, and as much as you'd say Eight with River Song in DC is a gimmick, it's also brilliant. Let's have the Twelve and Ogrons together in a set? Sure, why not! And stuff it, let's bring back that old villain from 8's first story? Excellent! Yes it's absolutely gimmicky, and to say this is self-indulgent is an understatement. But....if the story is enjoyable, it's good. So like.....who cares!  |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 29, 2019 5:18:12 GMT
OHH THANKS BIG FINISH.... just help yourself to even more of my money. I was happy to skip Ravenous, but now I HAVE to buy the lot in order to get the full story when the Masters turn up.
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Post by davygallagher on Mar 29, 2019 6:19:32 GMT
I mean I agree it's a gimmick, and I think saying it isn't is totally ignoring what's clearly there. But....gimmicks are what Big Finish do a lot. I mean even the concept of Big Finish is a gimmick: Telling new stories of that old show you like. But a gimmick isn't automatically bad. The Diary of River Song meeting all the previous classics (though I'm still waiting for Bradley, Hines and Treloar, BF writers take notes!) is a gimmick, but they're also brilliant stories. Doing a boxset reuniting Seven with the companions from the New Adventures is a gimmick, bringing in Six and Constance with Flip is a gimmick, doing a series set after the Time War Master who only had 5 minutes screentime is a gimmick. So much of Big Finish is gimmicky, but we enjoy it, and take it for granted anyway. I mean this year alone we have the Brig/Liz returning, a multi-Doctor story with Katarina and having the Master meet Two (even if it is Dreyfus), Four has a new companion, Fifth has Kamelion reunited etc. (There's something to be said about being self-indulgent in the 20th anniversary year to be fair, but still). I've said before how I always feel like the 8th Doctor stuff is almost like comic books. Consistent writers covering his whole journey, with many crossovers with other ranges and such. It's not new, and as much as you'd say Eight with River Song in DC is a gimmick, it's also brilliant. Let's have the Twelve and Ogrons together in a set? Sure, why not! And stuff it, let's bring back that old villain from 8's first story? Excellent! Yes it's absolutely gimmicky, and to say this is self-indulgent is an understatement. But....if the story is enjoyable, it's good. So like.....who cares! This is where there seems to be a certain amount of confusion for some reason - no-one as far as I can see has said that being a gimmick does make a story automatically bad, or even slightly lesser than a story that is, for lack of a better term, straight. It also doesn't make a release automatically good of course. I don't doubt it makes it more marketable to get cross-sales from other ranges and popular character and that this approach is more epic in scope which helps sell a boxset. It's perhaps just a symptom of the box set era. With more frequent, lower cost releases like the 8DAs, or MR, you can tell a lower key story without having a "gimmick" but with releases which people pay more for and wait longer for I think there's a tendency to use this kitchen sink approach of making every story epic and akin to a season finale. It's as though "just" telling four adventures with Doctor and companion isn't enough and there needs to be a hook to seal the deal/gild the lily (delete as appropriate!). NONE of which means the story is automatically bad, or that it's lazy, or unexciting to have crossovers etc. Yet as someone else said on the forum about a similar trend in comic books, if everything is a major event then nothing truly is. |
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 29, 2019 8:28:11 GMT
One thing is certain, if you like The Master, then the past three years at Big Finish have been very special indeed.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 29, 2019 11:11:13 GMT
Dorney & Fitton writing multiple Master's story for Eighth Doctor....here have some more of my crisp Lizzie Windsors.
Is the final story a two hour adventure as there's only 3 stories not four in this release?
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 29, 2019 11:17:48 GMT
Dorney & Fitton writing multiple Master's story for Eighth Doctor....here have some more of my crisp Lizzie Windsors. Is the final story a two hour adventure as there's only 3 stories not four in this release? Yeah, 4.3&4.4 form a two part finale called The Day of the Master. |
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Post by mark687 on Mar 29, 2019 11:21:12 GMT
Dorney & Fitton writing multiple Master's story for Eighth Doctor....here have some more of my crisp Lizzie Windsors. Is the final story a two hour adventure as there's only 3 stories not four in this release? Yes its scrunched together in the News piece but its 3 stories with one a 2 parter. so 4.3 and 4.4 are Day of the Master Parts 1 and 2.
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Post by dannybl on Mar 29, 2019 12:14:36 GMT
It looks like Beevers is just in Planet of Dust while the other three are in Day of the Master?
Although what the Master does in 4.2 could set the scene for his future incarnations
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 29, 2019 12:34:08 GMT
Dorney & Fitton writing multiple Master's story for Eighth Doctor....here have some more of my crisp Lizzie Windsors. Is the final story a two hour adventure as there's only 3 stories not four in this release? Dont mention crisp round the Master. I dont think he'll like it |
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Post by CookieMaster on Mar 29, 2019 21:30:42 GMT
Dorney & Fitton writing multiple Master's story for Eighth Doctor....here have some more of my crisp Lizzie Windsors. Is the final story a two hour adventure as there's only 3 stories not four in this release? Yeah, 4.3&4.4 form a two part finale called The Day of the Master. It only just occured to me, but could that possibly mean.. "No Sir, all Umpteen!"  |
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Post by Whovitt on Jun 18, 2019 10:05:14 GMT
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 18, 2019 17:21:49 GMT
Volume 3 was already amazing. But they might be able to top that....
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No-one has said the creatives aren't taking it seriously, and I think you equating any objections as people calling it akin to drunk fanjodrell is the most flippant thing we've seen on the thread, far more so than anyone actually commenting on the story in the first place.To be fair, I think perhaps Digi opening that remark with "It's not as though..." would actually be dis-equating people's objections with the sentiment of inebriated fanfic?
But it's certainly not going to make me hoover up Ravenous 1-3 in advance. Even though I'm currently part way through Doom Coalition, and liking that.
