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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 17:40:32 GMT
Like every other minister or adviser in this government who transgresses in any way, the Prime Minister will consider the matter closed Well lets face it, he treats Parliament and his own back-benchers with contempt, so he sets the standard for his ministers. The speaker has repeatedly laid into him for releasing things to the press before the House has an opportunity to read or discuss matters. He arrives to the chamber only when he is due to speak and leaves when he is finished, yet is still unprepared and often without notes. A couple of weeks back, he walked out when he was finished speaking in a debate, even though his predecessor Teresa May, was actually stood up and in the process of addressing him on a point. Just this week, in debating the Tiers, he was seen raising his eyes heavenwards and shaking his head disdainfully at one of his own MP's, for making a point he did not like to hear. I am afraid I no longer listen to anything he has to say, as it lacks substance and is, as even some of his backbenchers have noted, all to frequently with recourse 'sub-Churchillian guff, or rhetoric'. No matter how important the issue, he still resorts to winging it with 'fight them on the beaches' flannel. A big let down. A pampered child with no moral compass. Who needs opposition when you have him 'onside?'
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Post by number13 on Dec 4, 2020 9:55:18 GMT
What an absolute Top Hat. It would be nice to think he will be reprimanded in some way for these comments, but I doubt he will be. Like every other minister or adviser in this government who transgresses in any way, the Prime Minister will consider the matter closed Being a total embarrassment on numerous occasions isn't actually against the Ministerial Code...
But if the rumours of a post-Deal/No Deal reshuffle are true, one or two Ministers might possibly want to think about clearing their desks at the Christmas recess? And to remember to take home any tarantulas they might still have in their offices, for one random example...
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Post by number13 on Dec 4, 2020 10:15:13 GMT
Like every other minister or adviser in this government who transgresses in any way, the Prime Minister will consider the matter closed Well lets face it, he treats Parliament and his own back-benchers with contempt, so he sets the standard for his ministers. The speaker has repeatedly laid into him for releasing things to the press before the House has an opportunity to read or discuss matters. He arrives to the chamber only when he is due to speak and leaves when he is finished, yet is still unprepared and often without notes. A couple of weeks back, he walked out when he was finished speaking in a debate, even though his predecessor Teresa May, was actually stood up and in the process of addressing him on a point. Just this week, in debating the Tiers, he was seen raising his eyes heavenwards and shaking his head disdainfully at one of his own MP's, for making a point he did not like to hear. I am afraid I no longer listen to anything he has to say, as it lacks substance and is, as even some of his backbenchers have noted, all to frequently with recourse 'sub-Churchillian guff, or rhetoric'. No matter how important the issue, he still resorts to winging it with 'fight them on the beaches' flannel. A big let down. I think we can pass on the issue of pre-announcements outside Parliament. Although it understandably upsets the House, that standard died two decades ago when the previously sacrosanct Budget started to be pre-leaked all over the newspapers - and that wasn't a Conservative invention!
I can't agree he is a let down, because I never expected any better. I always thought he was a skilled campaigner, not an administrator and never expected him to be a good PM. Who knows what might have been without the COVID crisis, but there's a post of mine on here somewhere from around the time of the leadership election saying I never wanted to have to vote for him. (As I recall it was in agreement with a critique of him from someone who knew him well.)
But I did vote 'for him' last December and without regret. The 2019 election (and the Brexit referendum) were his moments. I may not have voted for Brexit, but last year his campaigning helped destroy the Corbyn Project and for that I remain very very grateful. For everyone who did vote for Brexit, I don't think a "meaningful" Brexit (debate endlessly at one's leisure what that means ) would have happened without him.
But now (or at least once Brexit is "complete" one way or the other) it would be much better to move on and let someone else tackle the business of actually governing.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 4, 2020 10:25:52 GMT
Like every other minister or adviser in this government who transgresses in any way, the Prime Minister will consider the matter closed Being a total embarrassment on numerous occasions isn't actually against the Ministerial Code...
But if the rumours of a post-Deal/No Deal reshuffle are true, one or two Ministers might possibly want to think about clearing their desks at the Christmas recess? And to remember to take home any tarantulas they might still have in their offices, for one random example...
Alas Cronus the spider wasn’t allowed to accompany his slave when he became a Minister. Apparently a civil servant in the Department of Defence was afraid of spiders. I assume the spider hasn’t crept back into the Department of Education. Side note Boris may want to take this bit of polling into account when he comes to reviewing his Cabinet. Apparently many of them are far more popular than he is with the party at the moment...
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Post by number13 on Dec 4, 2020 10:34:00 GMT
Being a total embarrassment on numerous occasions isn't actually against the Ministerial Code...
But if the rumours of a post-Deal/No Deal reshuffle are true, one or two Ministers might possibly want to think about clearing their desks at the Christmas recess? And to remember to take home any tarantulas they might still have in their offices, for one random example...
Alas Cronus the spider wasn’t allowed to accompany his slave when he became a Minister. Apparently a civil servant in the Department of Defence was afraid of spiders. I assume the spider hasn’t crept back into the Department of Education. Side note Boris may want to take this bit of polling into account when he comes to reviewing his Cabinet. Apparently many of them are far more popular than he is with the party at the moment... I totally agree with the wisdom of the Civil Service on that issue! And the polling doesn't surprise me at all - see my next post. I imagine polling of members of the public might also find Cabinet members who are more popular than the PM. (It would if they polled me. )
(I believe the correct modern way to sign off this post would be something like: #Rishi4PM )
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 4, 2020 11:27:57 GMT
Well lets face it, he treats Parliament and his own back-benchers with contempt, so he sets the standard for his ministers. The speaker has repeatedly laid into him for releasing things to the press before the House has an opportunity to read or discuss matters. He arrives to the chamber only when he is due to speak and leaves when he is finished, yet is still unprepared and often without notes. A couple of weeks back, he walked out when he was finished speaking in a debate, even though his predecessor Teresa May, was actually stood up and in the process of addressing him on a point. Just this week, in debating the Tiers, he was seen raising his eyes heavenwards and shaking his head disdainfully at one of his own MP's, for making a point he did not like to hear. I am afraid I no longer listen to anything he has to say, as it lacks substance and is, as even some of his backbenchers have noted, all to frequently with recourse 'sub-Churchillian guff, or rhetoric'. No matter how important the issue, he still resorts to winging it with 'fight them on the beaches' flannel. A big let down. A pampered child with no moral compass. Who needs opposition when you have him 'onside?' Pretty much sums him up
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 5, 2020 19:55:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 20:16:23 GMT
So what are the facts about this? Lots of hashtags of #ToryScum from people retweeting this, but no link to any actual source or story. Sounds like a case of 'Business' or the dirty word 'Capitalism'. We know that India is the source of some great industrialists. Look at Tata Steel and their resurrection/salvation of Jaguar Land Rover. I doubt that Rishi Sunak’s in-laws business arrangements are so closely connected or reliant on his own role as an MP. He married into a successful family. Is that an offence, or proof of corruption? Prove me wrong.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 5, 2020 20:39:02 GMT
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Post by number13 on Dec 6, 2020 11:12:49 GMT
So what are the facts about this? Lots of hashtags of #ToryScum from people retweeting this, but no link to any actual source or story. Sounds like a case of 'Business' or the dirty word 'Capitalism'. We know that India is the source of some great industrialists. Look at Tata Steel and their resurrection/salvation of Jaguar Land Rover. I doubt that Rishi Sunak’s in-laws business arrangements are so closely connected or reliant on his own role as an MP. He married into a successful family. Is that an offence, or proof of corruption? Prove me wrong. Isn't it shocking that some people are successful in business and no doubt create jobs for lots of other people? Much of the British Left seems to have reverted to the politics of envy, anti-globalisation and division; a new sort of "class war" and even uglier in some ways than the old one.
New Labour seems a very long time ago.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 17, 2020 12:56:13 GMT
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Post by grinch on Dec 19, 2020 16:59:19 GMT
And there we have it. Christmas is off. Stay safe everyone. 👍
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 19, 2020 17:21:28 GMT
That's it. The legacy of this abysmal PM. The Prime Minister who cancelled Christmas, that will be his undoing (although it's only the latest in a catalogue of disasters & incompetence from this horrible man).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 18:20:04 GMT
That's it. The legacy of this abysmal PM. The Prime Minister who cancelled Christmas, that will be his undoing (although it's only the latest in a catalogue of disasters & incompetence from this horrible man). Wut? If he had not enforced tighter restrictions right now he would face more protests that he was putting peoples lives at risk. I feel the planned relaxation of rules were as much an amnesty to ease the pressure on the Police from having to enforce an impossible scenario of rule breakers. On every street. Looks like they will have that now, with Pubs & Restaurants closed and a nation of idiots going ahead selfishly. It is right to enforce this, but there is a great risk of significant civil disobedience. He is responding to a changing situation and the increased pressure on Hospitals, Emergency Services and the Police. Blame Boris if he does something. Blame Boris if he does not.
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Post by muckypup on Dec 19, 2020 18:37:33 GMT
That's it. The legacy of this abysmal PM. The Prime Minister who cancelled Christmas, that will be his undoing (although it's only the latest in a catalogue of disasters & incompetence from this horrible man). he is pretty useless & granted they have made some very stupid mistakes but not his time not really his fault....... people not following rules.........complacency is the killer....... the number of people who don't wear masks, mix with people, hold party's.....its astounding........ just last week in my area had a student party of 70 in a flat, a party of 40 in a house, i know someone who had 6 households over to their house 24 people.......and a covid police woman punched for asking someone to wear a mask..... the number of morons who don't know or cannot be bothered to wear face coverings properly is probably 40% of everyone i see...... and dont get me started on self isolating........ we should lock down movement too, and put the army out to enforce it........ national lock-down 3 looks all but certain for new year......... i am sick of people saying its my right to do as i want we won the war for liberty......... for once we dont need christmas, just be thankful for all we have and not all we want
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 18:51:25 GMT
That's it. The legacy of this abysmal PM. The Prime Minister who cancelled Christmas, that will be his undoing (although it's only the latest in a catalogue of disasters & incompetence from this horrible man). Oh give it a rest. What possible choice did he have? Do you want to blame him for other parts of the world going into lockdown? The enemy here is the virus, not any government. To try and score political points on a Doctor Who forum over something that is infecting thousands of people every day is bad form.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 19, 2020 18:56:38 GMT
That's it. The legacy of this abysmal PM. The Prime Minister who cancelled Christmas, that will be his undoing (although it's only the latest in a catalogue of disasters & incompetence from this horrible man). he is pretty useless & granted they have made some very stupid mistakes but not his time not really his fault....... people not following rules.........complacency is the killer....... the number of people who don't wear masks, mix with people, hold party's.....its astounding........ just last week in my area had a student party of 70 in a flat, a party of 40 in a house, i know someone who had 6 households over to their house 24 people.......and a covid police woman punched for asking someone to wear a mask..... the number of morons who don't know or cannot be bothered to wear face coverings properly is probably 40% of everyone i see...... and dont get me started on self isolating........ we should lock down movement too, and put the army out to enforce it........ national lock-down 3 looks all but certain for new year......... i am sick of people saying its my right to do as i want we won the war for liberty......... for once we dont need christmas, just be thankful for all we have and not all we want People have only started acting like this in the last couple days? A harsher lockdown for xmas earlier would have been easier for us to come to terms with than making one set of guidance then changing it later. He didn't want to be seen as the PM that cancelled christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 18:56:52 GMT
Oh give it a rest. What possible choice did he have? No I will NOT "give it a rest". I will say how I feel here on this thread. Please feel free to use the ignore function if it bothers you. What would YOU have done, If you were in his position and with in receipt of the same information and advice?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 19, 2020 18:58:09 GMT
That's it. The legacy of this abysmal PM. The Prime Minister who cancelled Christmas, that will be his undoing (although it's only the latest in a catalogue of disasters & incompetence from this horrible man). Oh give it a rest. What possible choice did he have? Do you want to blame him for other parts of the world going into lockdown? The enemy here is the virus, not any government. To try and score political points on a Doctor Who forum over something that is infecting thousands of people every day is bad form. No I will NOT "give it a rest". I will say how I feel here on this thread. I am not trying to "score political points" here I am expressing my thoughts on how this is being handled. Please feel free to use the ignore function if it bothers you though x
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 19, 2020 18:59:19 GMT
That's it. The legacy of this abysmal PM. The Prime Minister who cancelled Christmas, that will be his undoing (although it's only the latest in a catalogue of disasters & incompetence from this horrible man). Wut? If he had not enforced tighter restrictions right now he would face more protests that he was putting peoples lives at risk. I feel the planned relaxation of rules were as much an amnesty to ease the pressure on the Police from having to enforce an impossible scenario of rule breakers. On every street. Looks like they will have that now, with Pubs & Restaurants closed and a nation of idiots going ahead selfishly. It is right to enforce this, but there is a great risk of significant civil disobedience. He is responding to a changing situation and the increased pressure on Hospitals, Emergency Services and the Police. Blame Boris if he does something. Blame Boris if he does not. He should have implemented tighter restrictions earlier not give people some hope then snatch it away at the last minute.
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