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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 28, 2020 13:40:21 GMT
Well that’s one line of government defence gone. Not up to interpretation if he broke the rules now. Yep. But nothing will happen sadly. We know that for undisclosed reasons our PM is protecting Cummings. What we do know is that Cummings did break the lockdown rules & his wife is being investigated in respect of her misleading article in The Spectator.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 28, 2020 15:25:07 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 28, 2020 17:02:09 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 28, 2020 17:44:15 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 28, 2020 18:17:08 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 28, 2020 20:21:02 GMT
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Post by ollychops on May 28, 2020 20:53:51 GMT
Haven't commented on here yet, but I'm so tired of officials thinking that the rules (and in this case, the rules that he helped create himself!) don't apply to them, that they only apply to the little people, and expect to get away with it without any consequences as per usual. And the fact that they're trying to throw anything out there to try and distract the public from the Cummings row - the Track and Trace app suddenly launching (and obviously as today has proven, it wasn't ready to be launched), pubs reopening soon, allowing six people to meet up from Monday, etc etc...
It's amazing what hoops they'll jump through to try and protect one unelected aide.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 29, 2020 7:54:15 GMT
It just gets worse. Cummings didn't go to his parents' house, it was his second home. Another breach of lockdown rules.
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Post by lidar2 on May 29, 2020 8:27:46 GMT
I posted with a cynical and flippant tone yesterday but I don't underestimate the degree to which life has changed for all of us because of the virus. In my case this has meant an even sharper focus on what really matters in life and a tendency to dismiss everything else as unimportant, the latest political scandals included.
For some people, the changes to life caused by the virus did not begin with the lockdown and won't end with it, until a vaccine is found (if ever). I'm not complaining about this (what would be the point?), just stating it. But my efforts to do what really matters during this crisis are in no way diminished for me by anyone else doing the wrong things, regardless of who or how supposedly 'important' they are.
I'm sorry if I seemed to lack empathy and I know I was cynical; where politics and the media are concerned I usually am. On which note, since I don't feel I can contribute as I used to, I will be taking a break for a while. Keep well everyone.
Sorry to read that, do come back soon
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 8:55:26 GMT
It just gets worse. Cummings didn't go to his parents' house, it was his second home. Another breach of lockdown rules. I read somewhere last weekend that he shares the deeds to the Farm with his father, plus about the £270k EU farming subsidy they received, despite Dom being opposed to the scheme. The grant amount was more than what his Father paid for the Farm originally. The ownership issue is, I suspect, a case of avoiding future death duties (inheritance tax) on the property. But look at the good news. We are ending lockdown! Barbeques! Leisure shopping! Back to work! The R rate is down to, erm, 0.9 or something, we are just 'starting' to roll out track and trace which other countries did two and a half months ago and 'only' 377 people died yesterday, so its time to move on and get back to normal everybody. Job Done. Well done everybody, etc. We may still have no idea how many people have been infected and who has gained immunity, but we've achieved bugger all in the 10 weeks in which we have knackered the economy, so priorities, yes?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 9:06:28 GMT
Very good article - I read it last night and was tempted to post it too. Written by the Scotland Editor of the Spectator too. As someone who voted for and supported Boris, months of nagging doubts have crystallised to the point where suddenly it seems one cannot defend the indefensible and his weaknesses seem transparent. The article sums all this up articulately. Edit: Put simply - he is out of his depth.For months now, the Editorial has served to both make excuses for Boris and make recommendations as to what they feel he should be doing, as if they are hoping he is reading his former Magazine. Current Editor trying desperately to get through to his predecessor. They have gone from praising him highly with great expectations of how he will be brilliant in the Job he has craved all his life, to disappointment and growing concern as each week has panned out.
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Post by lidar2 on May 29, 2020 9:43:59 GMT
Very good article - I read it last night and was tempted to post it too. Written by the Scotland Editor of the Spectator too. As someone who voted for and supported Boris, months of nagging doubts have crystallised to the point where suddenly it seems one cannot defend the indefensible and his weaknesses seem transparent. The article sums all this up articulately. Edit: Put simply - he is out of his depth.For months now, the Editorial has served to both make excuses for Boris and make recommendations as to what they feel he should be doing, as if they are hoping he is reading his former Magazine. Current Editor trying desperately to get through to his predecessor. They have gone from praising him highly with great expectations of how he will be brilliant in the Job he has craved all his life, to disappointment and growing concern as each week has panned out. Pre-Boris I would have been a very strong Conservative supporter, but I find him an utterly loathsome as a politician - a man with no moral compass and no integrity whatsoever, motivated solely by his own egotism. Now that he has achieved power and position he has no idea what to do with it, which is why he needs Cummings so badly.
As for brexit, remember how he wrote 2 articles before the referendum campaign started - one for Remain and one for Leave. I honestly don't think he even truly believes in brexit, he only picked the side that he thought would further his own ambition (to be fair, he got that much right).
And anyone who won't even say publicly how many children he has? Well, there is something seriously wrong there. I don't hold with the fashionable view that politicians are entitled to a private life - if a man's wife can't trust him, why should the voters? Integrity is something fundamental in your character that you either have or you don't. And it runs through every aspect of your life - it is not divisible and cannot be compartmentalised. Boris quite simply does not have it and is very much the British Trump.
I console myself with the thought that his support at the last election, whilst undoubtedly very wide, is also very shallow and is unlikely to last.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 10:02:05 GMT
I posted with a cynical and flippant tone yesterday but I don't underestimate the degree to which life has changed for all of us because of the virus. In my case this has meant an even sharper focus on what really matters in life and a tendency to dismiss everything else as unimportant, the latest political scandals included.
For some people, the changes to life caused by the virus did not begin with the lockdown and won't end with it, until a vaccine is found (if ever). I'm not complaining about this (what would be the point?), just stating it. But my efforts to do what really matters during this crisis are in no way diminished for me by anyone else doing the wrong things, regardless of who or how supposedly 'important' they are.
I'm sorry if I seemed to lack empathy and I know I was cynical; where politics and the media are concerned I usually am. On which note, since I don't feel I can contribute as I used to, I will be taking a break for a while. Keep well everyone.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But equally everyone is entitled to agree or disagree with that opinion. Personal choice is a price we pay for living in a free society. That said, clearly the pandemic, the lockdown and everything inbetween is something that moves way beyond mere agreements and disagreements and hits right at the core of our emotions.. Look, I cannot stop you from taking a break if you really feel that you need to, but I can urge you not to consider making it a long or even a permanent one. You have as much right to post here as the rest of us, so make it brief and come back when you're ready. Ultimately it's your personal choice.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 10:37:12 GMT
I had a rule that meant I wasn't going to post on this thread, but having watched a bit of the empty furore of the last few days (only a bit, the weather has been too good, the garden needs work and life is too short!) I think we now have proof that lockdown has driven the country collectively barmy and vindictive and our glorious media are the ones most affected. We really do need a bit of perspective sometimes.
Was he wrong? Obviously. Should he have resigned? Obviously.
(I make no moral judgements, why should I, this is all about politics, not morals and politically speaking of course he was wrong and should have resigned. Or even better, been promptly sacked - there would have been votes in it. Cynical? Never! )
Would he be getting the same treatment if he held the same post and had done the same journey and had previously led the Remain campaign instead...? Oh yes of course, none of this is personal... Yeh right! (And I say that as a Remain voter who still deeply regrets the loss of the best PM of this century so far, as a result of that referendum.)
Now, having broken my own rule, I will instantly ban myself before the howling mob turns on me. It's clearly what people expect.
Don't knock yourself for taking a view just as the rest of us are doing, number13. You basically agreed with people but asked for some perspective as to its place in the scheme of things. It is symptomatic of things wrong at the top, but is of transient context to most and a parochial preoccupation to overseas observers. When people are worked up about something, it can sound like they are turning on each other. If this was half a dozen guys discussing the same words in a Bar, it would just look like an animated discussion amongst friends to any observer. Look forward to seeing some more posts from you on the apolitical threads!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 15:26:35 GMT
Very good article - I read it last night and was tempted to post it too. Written by the Scotland Editor of the Spectator too. As someone who voted for and supported Boris, months of nagging doubts have crystallised to the point where suddenly it seems one cannot defend the indefensible and his weaknesses seem transparent. The article sums all this up articulately. Edit: Put simply - he is out of his depth.For months now, the Editorial has served to both make excuses for Boris and make recommendations as to what they feel he should be doing, as if they are hoping he is reading his former Magazine. Current Editor trying desperately to get through to his predecessor. They have gone from praising him highly with great expectations of how he will be brilliant in the Job he has craved all his life, to disappointment and growing concern as each week has panned out. Pre-Boris I would have been a very strong Conservative supporter, but I find him an utterly loathsome as a politician - a man with no moral compass and no integrity whatsoever, motivated solely by his own egotism. Now that he has achieved power and position he has no idea what to do with it, which is why he needs Cummings so badly.
As for brexit, remember how he wrote 2 articles before the referendum campaign started - one for Remain and one for Leave. I honestly don't think he even truly believes in brexit, he only picked the side that he thought would further his own ambition (to be fair, he got that much right).
And anyone who won't even say publicly how many children he has? Well, there is something seriously wrong there. I don't hold with the fashionable view that politicians are entitled to a private life - if a man's wife can't trust him, why should the voters? Integrity is something fundamental in your character that you either have or you don't. And it runs through every aspect of your life - it is not divisible and cannot be compartmentalised. Boris quite simply does not have it and is very much the British Trump.
I console myself with the thought that his support at the last election, whilst undoubtedly very wide, is also very shallow and is unlikely to last.
It's getting to be like the Monty Python 'What have the Romans done for us?' sketch in reverse, when defending him. So I won't. I once read an amusing anecdote about his first wedding, to a Girl who was described as the best looking young woman in his year and social crowd at Oxford. He failed to get properly suited & booted for the wedding and had to borrow a decent pair of trousers from a mate. He lost the wedding ring on the morning of the big day. He had not prepared his speech and ad-libbing (as usual), managed to offend a number or well connected socialite guests of the Bride's family, with a few inappropriate jokes directed at them, resulting in him actually getting heckled by the invited audience (remember he was the Groom, not Best Man, here). Afterwards at the reception, his new Father in law came up to him and informed him that he was a disgrace. The marriage was short lived....
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 30, 2020 9:05:36 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 30, 2020 13:04:57 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 30, 2020 17:51:35 GMT
Boom! Van-Tam is the man!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 31, 2020 7:03:49 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 31, 2020 12:07:34 GMT
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