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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 16:28:31 GMT
Why strand them in London I’ve a few wee nice places they can rent up here in Scotland 😉 Or Wales. Cardiff seems pretty underused in the Whoniverse. Seriously though, one day they may make use of Edinburgh as in The Omega Factor for some Gothic Horror outside of mummerset. Stirling I love too great wee town atmospheric castle and buildings and of course rain always adds atmosphere 😂😂
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Post by pawntake on Feb 15, 2020 17:27:54 GMT
Link was posted on page 6.
i guess i missed that, i stand corrected mr moderator sir
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 18:22:50 GMT
The Curator being in here is the first time I've actively been worried by an announcement of a character return. Ever. I loved the magic of the moment in the cinema seeing Tom appear as "The Once And Future (?) Doctor/Curator" - it was a lovely moment of time that I really don't think needs any expansion, elaboration, explanation or extension. Like a shooting star or a snowflake melting away part of the reason I loved it was the beauty of the brevity. If that makes me a "moaner" then so be it. I've ordered it anyway and I have confidence it'll be good drama anyway...I just have reservations about the whys and wherefores. I'm confident those involved won't do anything to detract from the mystique of The Curator but..well. I'm two decades in and thousands of releases deep so I think the least BF deserve is an open mind. Since they have the money for it already!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 19:15:53 GMT
The Curator being in here is the first time I've actively been worried by an announcement of a character return. Ever. I loved the magic of the moment in the cinema seeing Tom appear as "The Once And Future (?) Doctor/Curator" - it was a lovely moment of time that I really don't think needs any expansion, elaboration, explanation or extension. Like a shooting star or a snowflake melting away part of the reason I loved it was the beauty of the brevity. If that makes me a "moaner" then so be it. I've ordered it anyway and I have confidence it'll be good drama anyway...I just have reservations about the whys and wherefores. I'm confident those involved won't do anything to detract from the mystique of The Curator but..well. I'm two decades in and thousands of releases deep so I think the least BF deserve is an open mind. Since they have the money for it already! I may be wrong, but i think they may have to maintain the core enigma of the character, neither confirming nor denying his identity, as you say yourself. To go into too much exposition would, to me, go against Steven Moffat's trust in the viewers ability to make their own minds up. To myself, he was at the time indeed interpreted as an incarnation of the Doctor, as 10 was speculating such a retirement option when he appeared right in tune with his train of thought. But was that too coincidental? Was he real, and not some physical manifestation of the Doctors consciousness, like the Watcher, The Valeyard or The Dream Lord, but a Benign one? It's all in the hands of the BF folks though and I hope that if they do provide some development, that it is of such that most welcome it as 'canon' because it 'fits the bill'. They have got Old Tom on-board though, so it must be a pretty good story pitch. Consider me open minded, as I trust BF to do things right and not mess up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 20:52:40 GMT
Exactly. The Curator felt like a special treat in the 50th. To quote Dr Ian. Malcolm, BF are "so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.” To be fair, and while I like a 'Jurassic Park' quote, I don't think the Curator is likely to go on the rampage through London and devour the population. Not very likely anyway...
I really don't get all the angst about this; what's the worst that can happen by including him? To misquote Dr. Ian Malcolm, 'If a BF storyline breaks down, the characters don't eat the listeners.' The worst that can happen? Making a one-off magical moment seem less important by losing it's uniqueness. Sometimes lightning in a bottle is something to just be treasured, not replicated. The uniqueness is part of the appeal. As I said above, I'm 20 years in so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt but I think people have put their thoughts eloquently and politely. Dismissing it as "all the angst" doesn't do anyone credit. There hasn't been much dummy spitting that I've seen. And - hey - if we're on it.. Jurassic Park's three characters lost a lot of their impact by coming back for massively inferior sequels that were atrocious. Ian Malcolm was totally out of character in The Lost World and Alan Grant was a waste in Jurassic Park III. Maybe that's as much a lesson as out of context quotes. And wasn't Jurassic Park all about the present being remarkable enough without needing to bring back things that have had their day, as remarkable as they were first time round? Seems like someone could make a lazy parallel here... Now Stranded I'm sure will be excellent in it's own different ways to what's come before and maybe the use of the Curator will indeed be wonderful. In fact, there's every chance it will be. Yet by making the unique Curator into a repeated character it does take the luster off, I think even if the story is strong. You just can't ever, remotely, get the impact we had of that communal cinematic experience with audiences all over the world seeing Tom's beautiful return. I mean, BF know that, of course, but hey, if it sells more for them - job done. And Paul and Tom do have great chemistry. As I say this is an odd one for me as usually, and people will know from my years on this and the old forum over a decade, I'm a believer that the "gimmick" is irrelevant and only the story matters. I'm always the "let's hear it first..." kinda guy and I never pre-judge. I don't moan when River pops up somewhere else, or something repeats from another range. I still give the story the chance to win me over. Yet this really is the first time in years - decades - when I've felt just on hearing the headline news quite deflated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 21:01:55 GMT
All BF is High Quality Fan Fic though but in the end its solely down to the Customer what they want to hear more of and what they buy. Regards mark687 I know what you mean by that Mark but I'd say it's two different things. Most of Big Finish is telling tales in the Doctor Who universe. That's not terribly fan-fic as they're licenced to do just that. Yet what I think others have issues with (and I don't by and large) is things that, say, non-fans assume BF is ALL about. Characters from various eras and ranges overlapping and meeting all over the place and the like, more and more often and with sequels and prequels to TV eps all over the place. There's no doubt those kind of things are happening more - just see how many places River has popped up, or having two "All the Masters!" events in a year or having Greatest Show alone lead to a Maggs trilogy and a standalone sequel to the Circus itself - but I think generally there's a decent balance of that to the new, original stories.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 21:03:41 GMT
To be fair, and while I like a 'Jurassic Park' quote, I don't think the Curator is likely to go on the rampage through London and devour the population. Not very likely anyway...
I really don't get all the angst about this; what's the worst that can happen by including him? To misquote Dr. Ian Malcolm, 'If a BF storyline breaks down, the characters don't eat the listeners.' What's the worst that can happen? A mysterious character that made a fun surprise appearance has all the mystery removed in this release & then spun off into another box set. Look at what BF have done with the Time War, box sets for Rose, for Martha. BF just sometimes feel like cheesy fan fic. But I'll probably get accused of being grumpy if I dare to have a negative opinion! You could be right. You could be wrong. I look to be optimistic and with much of the continuing narrative, if I like it, I accept it as canon, If I don't then I disregard it, bypass it. One way of viewing the BF stories is that they are an alternative timeline where each Doctor did not regenerate into their successors as per the Televised programme, but had extended incarnations and grew a bit older in their tenures. It helps accommodate the sheer number of adventures thy get into and with additional companions, rather than trying to accept that, for example, Peri experienced so much between Planet of Fire and Caves of Androzani when we seen her on screen with the same outfit and bob hair do. What goes on in the BF main range seems to me a different timeline to the show. Only Paul McGann's Eight Doctor has the freedom of an open timeline to which BF can be seen as the 'official' adventures. Its just a way of not trying to think too hard about it and forget about the televised chronology.
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Post by grinch on Feb 15, 2020 21:08:01 GMT
Eh. I’m usually quite cynical about these sort of things but I’ll give it a shot. Had the same initial reaction to the multiple Master finale of the last Ravenous boxset if I’m honest but I was pleasantly surprised by it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 21:32:39 GMT
All BF is High Quality Fan Fic though but in the end its solely down to the Customer what they want to hear more of and what they buy. Regards mark687 I know what you mean by that Mark but I'd say it's two different things. Most of Big Finish is telling tales in the Doctor Who universe. That's not terribly fan-fic as they're licenced to do just that. Yet what I think others have issues with (and I don't by and large) is things that, say, non-fans assume BF is ALL about. Characters from various eras and ranges overlapping and meeting all over the place and the like, more and more often and with sequels and prequels to TV eps all over the place. There's no doubt those kind of things are happening more - just see how many places River has popped up, or having two "All the Masters!" events in a year or having Greatest Show alone lead to a Maggs trilogy and a standalone sequel to the Circus itself - but I think generally there's a decent balance of that to the new, original stories. I think there is a distinction to be made. The spin-off box sets (River Song et al) indulge by way of connecting to a wider continuity, but the Monthly Range seems to keep itself 'clean', bar the occasional Master Trilogy or Locum Doctors, no more nor less that the Classic Series may have done. Lets accept all opinions as valid here (you are quite diplomatic and reasonable yourself but this discussion is getting derailed somewhat)- i know johnhurtdoctor has perfectly valid preferences and good on him for voicing them - I understand where he is coming from. As mark687 says above, listeners can pick and choose, as not all releases conform to a base demographic. Lets not poke each other with sticks guys and gals eh?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 21:35:46 GMT
I know what you mean by that Mark but I'd say it's two different things. Most of Big Finish is telling tales in the Doctor Who universe. That's not terribly fan-fic as they're licenced to do just that. Yet what I think others have issues with (and I don't by and large) is things that, say, non-fans assume BF is ALL about. Characters from various eras and ranges overlapping and meeting all over the place and the like, more and more often and with sequels and prequels to TV eps all over the place. There's no doubt those kind of things are happening more - just see how many places River has popped up, or having two "All the Masters!" events in a year or having Greatest Show alone lead to a Maggs trilogy and a standalone sequel to the Circus itself - but I think generally there's a decent balance of that to the new, original stories. I think there is a distinction to be made. The spin-off box sets (River Song et al) indulge by way of connecting to a wider continuity, but the Monthly Range seems to keep itself 'clean', bar the occasional Master Trilogy or Locum Doctors, no more nor less that the Classic Series may have done. Lets accept all opinions as valid here (you are quite diplomatic and reasonable yourself but this discussion is getting derailed somewhat)- i know johnhurtdoctor has perfectly valid preferences and good on him for voicing them - I understand where he is coming from. As mark687 says above, listeners can pick and choose, as not all releases conform to a base demographic. Lets not poke each other with sticks guys and gals eh? I've never been accused of being the reasoned balanced one before Daver, thanks for that - I'm feeling awfully grown up for once! I'm normally the one arguing and fighting! And I think you make a good point that a lot of the boxsets are aimed at wider audiences who want more cross-pollination, even when they don't know they do at first. Getting River into a McGann box for example...if it leads to any new people who are there for River going back and getting into other McGann stuff...great. As long as it's story first, gimmick -and I don't like that term much let's say "concept" - second. And I find more often than not that is the case. Even when it does feel a bit (and here's another term I dislike) fanjodrelly at first glance...the stories themselves work. Testament to the writers and I suspect the script editors a lot. They know what feels "true" to the ongoing story and what would be bad fan-fic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 22:09:41 GMT
I really don't get all the angst about this; what's the worst that can happen by including him? For me, the Curator was a one-off BIG surprise experience, that actually brought tears to me eyes. (Really!) The worst that can happen is BF are cheapening that special event... and it wouldn't surprise me if they even had a Curator box set planned for the future too. (It's what BF tend to do these days, over egg the Doctor Who pudding.) If ever there was a face palm moment at a piece of Big Finish news, this was it. They should have left the Curator alone as a one-off mystery figure of Who folklore.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 15, 2020 22:19:06 GMT
I really don't get all the angst about this; what's the worst that can happen by including him? For me, the Curator was a one-off BIG surprise experience, that actually brought tears to me eyes. (Really!) The worst that can happen is BF are cheapening that special event... and it wouldn't surprise me if they even had a Curator box set planned for the future too. (It's what BF tend to do these days, over egg the Doctor Who pudding.) If ever there was a face palm moment at a piece of Big Finish news, this was it. They should have left the Curator alone as a one-off mystery figure of Who folklore. These types of concerns are completely justified. As dorney notes up thread, they were aware of the concerns, but what if the story benefits from having The Curator in it? What if his inclusion is a vital part of the story? The only way we find out is by listening. Anyway, yeah it could go very wrong but it could also go really right.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 15, 2020 22:26:14 GMT
For me, the Curator was a one-off BIG surprise experience, that actually brought tears to me eyes. (Really!) The worst that can happen is BF are cheapening that special event... and it wouldn't surprise me if they even had a Curator box set planned for the future too. (It's what BF tend to do these days, over egg the Doctor Who pudding.) If ever there was a face palm moment at a piece of Big Finish news, this was it. They should have left the Curator alone as a one-off mystery figure of Who folklore. These types of concerns are completely justified. As dorney notes up thread, they were aware of the concerns, but what if the story benefits from having The Curator in it? What if his inclusion is a vital part of the story? The only way we find out is by listening. Anyway, yeah it could go very wrong but it could also go really right. I still hope the Curator acts as some kind of narrator/ voice from the background, something like was done in Good Omens. Or maybe he is used in a way similar to Charlie in Charlie's Angels.
That would make a nice change of pace and would also preserve the mystery. Although I have a lot of trust in the authors, I am not sure how a lot of interaction of the regulars and 8 and the Curator would work out... But we will see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 22:31:54 GMT
For me, the Curator was a one-off BIG surprise experience, that actually brought tears to me eyes. (Really!) The worst that can happen is BF are cheapening that special event... and it wouldn't surprise me if they even had a Curator box set planned for the future too. (It's what BF tend to do these days, over egg the Doctor Who pudding.) If ever there was a face palm moment at a piece of Big Finish news, this was it. They should have left the Curator alone as a one-off mystery figure of Who folklore. These types of concerns are completely justified. As dorney notes up thread, they were aware of the concerns, but what if the story benefits from having The Curator in it? What if his inclusion is a vital part of the story? The only way we find out is by listening. Anyway, yeah it could go very wrong but it could also go really right. Yet even if he is vital, even if the story benefits...it's the first time I've ever really felt a character was deserving to be just out of reach, not touched again and left open as a memento of arguably the most triumphant night of Doctor Who's history. Where cinemas were packed and families sat down all over to watch the 50th. Literally 5 million more people tuned in in the UK alone to see the event compared to Matt's eps earlier that year. And it was an event. I dunno - I would normally be absolutely on the other side of this debate but it feels like...I dunno...sending Neil Armstrong to the moon again a few years after Apollo 11. It's a moment that touched the Who world, especially us old school fans, and the uniqueness of it is absolutely part of why it's stuck with me. The quality of the storytelling is absolutely not my fear about it at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 22:32:14 GMT
For me, the Curator was a one-off BIG surprise experience, that actually brought tears to me eyes. (Really!) The worst that can happen is BF are cheapening that special event... and it wouldn't surprise me if they even had a Curator box set planned for the future too. (It's what BF tend to do these days, over egg the Doctor Who pudding.) If ever there was a face palm moment at a piece of Big Finish news, this was it. They should have left the Curator alone as a one-off mystery figure of Who folklore. These types of concerns are completely justified. As dorney notes up thread, they were aware of the concerns, but what if the story benefits from having The Curator in it? What if his inclusion is a vital part of the story? The only way we find out is by listening. Anyway, yeah it could go very wrong but it could also go really right. I feel its a 'now or never' chance to give it a shot. Bring Tom into some more up to date continuity beyond the very nostalgic Fourth Doctor range. We are not in a position to say give it a go in another 10 years. Let's be grateful they have this chance to do something with Tom on-board that does not merely recreate the past. To me it is the same feeling when he turned up at the end of DOTD. No benefit of surprise this time, but then there is the same feeling of his being back in the present tense, which is different to the way his prior audios are 'looking back'. If you get the idea. It's a way of picking up on a path the series could have taken following the televised appearance. But yes, it was effective as a succinct coda to the past.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 15, 2020 22:33:21 GMT
These types of concerns are completely justified. As dorney notes up thread, they were aware of the concerns, but what if the story benefits from having The Curator in it? What if his inclusion is a vital part of the story? The only way we find out is by listening. Anyway, yeah it could go very wrong but it could also go really right. I still hope the Curator acts as some kind of narrator/ voice from the background, something like was done in Good Omens. Or maybe he is used in a way similar to Charlie in Charlie's Angels.
That would make a nice change of pace and would also preserve the mystery. Although I have a lot of trust in the authors, I am not sure how a lot of interaction of the regulars and 8 and the Curator would work out... But we will see.
To me that feels like a cop-out. If they feel like they have a story there to be told and they are going to use the character, then you don't half-ass it, you use the character to tell your story. And yeah, maybe coming out of Ravenous I was ready for a change of production team but it wasn't from any lack of confidence in the abilities of Richardson & company. Together they have crafted more good Doctor Who adventures than almost anyone in the show's 50+ year history, so they deserve the benefit of the doubt. We will indeed see.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 15, 2020 22:39:13 GMT
I still hope the Curator acts as some kind of narrator/ voice from the background, something like was done in Good Omens. Or maybe he is used in a way similar to Charlie in Charlie's Angels.
That would make a nice change of pace and would also preserve the mystery. Although I have a lot of trust in the authors, I am not sure how a lot of interaction of the regulars and 8 and the Curator would work out... But we will see.
To me that feels like a cop-out. If they feel like they have a story there to be told and they are going to use the character, then you don't half-ass it, you use the character to tell your story. And yeah, maybe coming out of Ravenous I was ready for a change of production team but it wasn't from any lack of confidence in the abilities of Richardson & company. Together they have crafted more good Doctor Who adventures than almost anyone in the show's 50+ year history, so they deserve the benefit of the doubt. We will indeed see. Hmm. Interesting thought.
Although, I personally do not think using the character that way would be "half-assing" it. Just the opposite. You want to preserve the mystery. And to be honest- the curator will not be the centre of any action sequence. By the very nature of, well, being a frail old man. So he lends himself very well to the background. He could be more of a spider, weaving his web.
I also do not believe he will join in the flatting situation in 8ths house.
What else were you going to use him for? The more I think about this, the more curious I become.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 23:22:54 GMT
For me, the Curator was a one-off BIG surprise experience, that actually brought tears to me eyes. (Really!) The worst that can happen is BF are cheapening that special event... ... but what if the story benefits from having The Curator in it? What if his inclusion is a vital part of the story? The only way we find out is by listening. Anyway, yeah it could go very wrong but it could also go really right. It's not about the story for me, we know this release will be a well produced high quality Eighth Doctor adventure. I never said I wouldn't listen to it either, it's about the principle of using The Curator in an Eighth Doctor story as opposed to whether the story turns out to be any good or not. I feel the Curator was a really special one-off character that should have been left alone and wasn't needed in any Doctor Who story other than the one that he appeared in. Undermining that moment is the problem I have with it. Of course the story could work very well, and I hope it does, but I'd still feel it was a gimmick too far. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you always should.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 15, 2020 23:54:55 GMT
... but what if the story benefits from having The Curator in it? What if his inclusion is a vital part of the story? The only way we find out is by listening. Anyway, yeah it could go very wrong but it could also go really right. It's not about the story for me, we know this release will be a well produced high quality Eighth Doctor adventure. I never said I wouldn't listen to it either, it's about the principle of using The Curator in an Eighth Doctor story as opposed to whether the story turns out to be any good or not. I feel the Curator was a really special one-off character that should have been left alone and wasn't needed in any Doctor Who story other than the one that he appeared in. Undermining that moment is the problem I have with it. Of course the story could work very well, and I hope it does, but I'd still feel it was a gimmick too far. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you always should. I really do understand the concerns and the objections. I just come it from a writer’s perspective where if you think you have a good idea, you run with it and see how far the idea, or the character or the situation, takes you. A writer’s one job is to tell a good story without limits or preconceptions. I also don’t believe this project undermines the original appearance. I will always get a chill when from off camera we hear Tom’s voice the first time. That The Curator is explored or used again doesn’t change that for me just like a bad sequel to a movie I love doesn’t change what I love about the original. The original and the first appearance is always special. Who nose? This could also be special and if it is, all this discussion of should they fades away.
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Post by number13 on Feb 16, 2020 1:35:14 GMT
To be fair, and while I like a 'Jurassic Park' quote, I don't think the Curator is likely to go on the rampage through London and devour the population. Not very likely anyway...
I really don't get all the angst about this; what's the worst that can happen by including him? To misquote Dr. Ian Malcolm, 'If a BF storyline breaks down, the characters don't eat the listeners.' The worst that can happen? Making a one-off magical moment seem less important by losing it's uniqueness. Sometimes lightning in a bottle is something to just be treasured, not replicated. The uniqueness is part of the appeal. As I said above, I'm 20 years in so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt but I think people have put their thoughts eloquently and politely. Dismissing it as "all the angst" doesn't do anyone credit. There hasn't been much dummy spitting that I've seen. And - hey - if we're on it.. Jurassic Park's three characters lost a lot of their impact by coming back for massively inferior sequels that were atrocious. Ian Malcolm was totally out of character in The Lost World and Alan Grant was a waste in Jurassic Park III. Maybe that's as much a lesson as out of context quotes. And wasn't Jurassic Park all about the present being remarkable enough without needing to bring back things that have had their day, as remarkable as they were first time round? Seems like someone could make a lazy parallel here... Now Stranded I'm sure will be excellent in it's own different ways to what's come before and maybe the use of the Curator will indeed be wonderful. In fact, there's every chance it will be. Yet by making the unique Curator into a repeated character it does take the luster off, I think even if the story is strong. You just can't ever, remotely, get the impact we had of that communal cinematic experience with audiences all over the world seeing Tom's beautiful return. I mean, BF know that, of course, but hey, if it sells more for them - job done. And Paul and Tom do have great chemistry. As I say this is an odd one for me as usually, and people will know from my years on this and the old forum over a decade, I'm a believer that the "gimmick" is irrelevant and only the story matters. I'm always the "let's hear it first..." kinda guy and I never pre-judge. I don't moan when River pops up somewhere else, or something repeats from another range. I still give the story the chance to win me over. Yet this really is the first time in years - decades - when I've felt just on hearing the headline news quite deflated. Fair enough Davy, and to be clear to everyone (since my post has been deleted and also some others I missed reading, going by the gap in the thread timeline) I wasn't 'dismissing' the debate by describing it as 'all the angst', as in 'all the the deep anxiety'; I was saying (and did say) I didn't get all the angst - as in I didn't understand it.
Yes, Tom's appearance in the 50th as an inexplicable character was a moment of magic and I was actually moved to a silly little tear at seeing my second TV Doctor pop up again in official BBC content after so so long. But, he's still playing a character and if BF have been licensed to include and expand that character in their content I really don't understand why people would object. Especially after all the gaps filled, never-met characters meeting, 'irreplacable' actors recast and so on.
It's a failure of imagination on my part, no doubt, but at the end of the day 'Doctor Who' is a TV show, the characters are played by actors and BF have a business to run and ideas to come up with. A few years back I thought for a second or two about how I felt when they announced the recast of 'my' Doctor - replacing the one and only Jon Pertwee with another actor.
Initially and briefly I thought 'no that's just wrong'. Then I told myself not to be so daft and ordered it. And five volumes later (with Nicholas Courtney's wonderful Brig recast too) I love the range BF have produced, allowing the Third Doctor era to live again as full-cast drama, and I'm looking forward to Vol 6. Now I want Mike Yates back too.
With that Pertwee Rubicon crossed, for me it was 'anything goes' in the world of BF Who (though I did twitch a bit at the full First Doctor crew recast - but I enjoy that range too.) So I don't understand all the angst about including the Curator. People seem actually genuinely unhappy, not in the usual 'oh now they're having Jack meet River' sort of way, but as if this is something personal and precious that BF will 'spoil'.
Sorry if I've upset people (and if I set off a string of posts which needed deleting - that does bother me, I missed the fallout if there was any.)
But I trust BF not to mess things up and above all, I enjoy Who, TV and audio, as a fun relaxing background to life. It's fun to talk about it and the Whoniverse as if it's all real and the detail of what happened in story X and why, and what it means and why I love this or that story and what fun it all is, but it's all part of the game and maybe I don't care enough?
I said once before that even when young, 'Doctor Who' was a TV show to me. I watched it and never missed it if I could help it, I read the Target books and I enjoyed it loads. And later I was delighted to get the videos and thrilled when some missing episodes arrived. (And now I enjoy learning the production details etc. too, like cricket stats for sci-fi!) But I never got in deeper than that; no fanzines, no clubs, no conventions, no signed pictures, no writing my own stories, no memorabilia, no costumes, not even one toy Dalek.
Maybe I never have cared enough. Nothing I can do about that.
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